NGONGE, how about another verse ya xaaji Meeshaan hannaan gobaniyo, hadiyad eegaayey Haf miyuu la yiri xaydh siduu haan ku dhayanaayo On the issue of clan, most people have no qualms with the positive utility of clan structure. What people have misgivings is the clannish ideology that featured negatively in Somalia’s civil war tragedy. In other words, qabiliyah, and not the qabiil itself, is the plague. I thought NGONGE would understand that agreeable assessment, and would not labor narrating clan dynamics in post Islamic Arabic society. Even that sort of discussion came across to me as a veering off of the real argument against NGONGE’s clan is everything assertion. To which I say, the first rude interruption of Oodweyne’s applause to this fallacy is if clan is everything how can you explain the following major political dynamics in the contemporary Somali history: 1- In the height of Somali civil war, Abdullahi Yusuf of Mudug, admittedly a flamboyant clannish man, secured the majority votes, notably from rival clans, to ascend to the head of Somalia’s Transitional Government. We are talking about the votes of Qanyare, Aato, Yalahow, and their followers. 2- Emergence of Alshabaab in the south as the preeminent military and political power, with leaders that are not from the area clans. 3- The success of Somaliland in gaining a political foothold in SOOL region, the center of unionist, and a rival clan. 4- The success of Faroole's Galgala offence, the much talked security sweep. It stands to reason that if clan is EVERYTHING as good NGONGE repeats day in and day out, a rival clan would not have voted for the presidency of Abdullahi Yusuf, Alshabaab would not have dominated the military and political affairs of the South, Somaliland and its Mother sub-clans would not have brought Lasaanood in its sphere of influence, and president Faroole of Puntland would not have dared to address security issues surrounding Galgala mountains, the center of ********** pride. So the fallacy collapses under its weight as it fails to explain why such weighty matters are decided against the perceived wishes of the supposed clannish agenda. An alternative explanation is therefore needed to ascertain a plausible rationalization as to why things are the way they are in relation to Somalia’s political settings. So we say, clan is not everything in Somalia, and as in everywhere else, Somalia’s situation is a complex one. And that complexity warrants appriciation...ya xaaji. If I were forced to choose a reason out of multitude of factors underpinning Somalia’s prolonged civil war, I would mark leadership failure in addressing the deep mistrust amongst Somalis as a chief reason as to why we are in the situation we find themselves in today. Somalia did not fail because of clans.

Loved the sentiment in GaroweOnline editorial.

^^You are emotionalizing it as always, che--old habits die hard. In Xiin's world anything that has a semblance of governance, a touch of progress, or an element of infrastructure building deserves to be welcome. Meaningless cynicism never appeals to me. Ponder on the picture below: that is what Katherine is casting doubt on awoowe.

I would say it is a coup for Somalia.

Yeah I know nothing, che. Keep querying awoowe Simply put, what is irking these intelligence data mining reports is the prospect of the rise of a Somali entity with a strong security infrastructure. That is the short of it.

I know which Muslim nation the article is reffering to. But I am not telling

ku qaybsanaha arrimaha Somaliland/somalia ee wasaaradda Arrimaha Dibedda ee Switzerland.

Originally posted by Oodweyne: As for the political score of where this argument of the old union of the Somali Republic is heading to, all one can say is that, it will behoves you to watch this space. Knowing, as you know now, as to how soon a whole kettle of fish is about to be open with the "liquidation" of the old Union of Sudan ; which is on the political cards for next year. And how that will be ( shall we say ) very interesting development in so far the case of Somaliland and her undeniable independence is concern, indeed. Regards, Oodweyne. When put in context, South Sudan’s looming independence represents a false hope for our separatists in the north.It’s not surprising however that you arbitrarily hang your secessionist’s hopes on other’s political experiences despite apparent deference in historical background, underlying drivers, and the level of involvement of world powers. The significance of such differentiations has eluded you before, and I am not surprised at all to see you get excited again for another false dawn---remember it was Kosovo before .

^^ You are feigning ignorance on a subject you are well-versed in. The cursing I referred to is nothing but a perfect analogy of secessionist’s frustration with Somalia’s legal construct, which, to their surprise, managed to hold them in the fold of what they see as a failed UNION. Imagine, if you will, the effort of a goslings trying hard and fast to escape to the waters, and from the strong wings of the ever caring Mother Goose.

A Somaliland version of kud-dayo-puntland-kudayo song

^^jawaab miisaamaan oo fiican baad siisay. Laakiin Maaddeey sidii Aw Tusbaxle iyo NGONGE ugu murmeenba, qoraaladdii mayalka adkaa waa yaraadeen, tar-tiib aa loo dheelitirooyaa ee saa ogow

^^Please do because if you don’t I will write up a piece to undress the fallacy .

^^A lot of people in SOL might have take to heart the fallacy of clan being everything and bad all the time. If you are in the mood of settling anything start with that fallacy of yours, xaaji.

^^You are misleading Oodweyne there We still recognize Sharif as the legitimate leader of the current political arrengement in Somalia, wa naquulu adhaalalaahu cumraha, waa xafithahu min sawaariikh alshabaab

^^nuune waa belo wax walba og

^^ Fiiri, waxay ugu darnayd markii Ibrahim Hawd oo nin aan suugaanta ku tixgeliyyo ah uu Calasow mooday nin fayow oo uu maqaalka dheer ka qoray

Waxyar kadib markii Maamulka Hotelka nagu wargeliyay in gaarigii i qaadi lahaa diyaar yahay ayuu Garaad Jaamac i soo raacay,isagoo iga diiday inuu iga haro ilaa aan ka galo gaariga ii taagan hasse yeeshee markii aan qolkiisa dibadda uga soo baxnay ayaan u sheegay inay hoos igu sugayaan,ilaalo ka tirsan Madaxtooyadda Kenya oo amaankeeyga qaabilsan mudada aan joogo Kenya. Garaad Jaamac ma aqbalin inuu iga haro,ilaa aan hoos u degno,uuna indhahiisa ku arko ilaalada dibadda ii joogtay. Hadhow baa lagu oran Xasan waa fiyowyahay

Hassan Alasow iyo nuune of SOL isku qoraal ekaa

^^Yes Abwaan, NGONGE aa afcarabiga yaqaan oo habaarka u qora , markaan niri war maxaa kugu kalifay na wuxuu yiri : CLAN IS EVERYTHING . There was a SOL post i created about Oodweyne's prayers ---and they are not nice

Good development for Somalia (Somaliland included).

Oodweyne soo dhawoow Somalia will be back in sha Allaah, habaarkii reer waqooyigana ilaah aqbali waa

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: Ooo maxa dadka Airportka ka helay?? Plus anigba dadku iga biiqi- LOOOOOOOOOOOOL Hadhow bay Ibtisam ku dhihi ari baan baadiyaha Burco ku raaci jirey

It is not only Xamar whose demographics have changed as a result of the civil war. So too have Boosaaso, Garoowe, Hargeysa, Burco Galkacyo, Baraawe, and Kismayo. Don’t be stuck in the past. Xamar is for who lives there NOW. It is NOT for everyone.

Even Xaaji Xunjuf does not know what he says at times

Galgala is where NGONGE's theory died