XX, su aashii waa ka bayrtay ee ku laabo. Wax ka xus raggii mujaahidiinta SNM ta ahaa, ee Kalshaale ku shahiiday

^^^Awoowe Taleexi, Xaaji Xanjuj waa nin xiniinya badane u daa

xaaji xunjuf, ma runbaa in mujaahidiintii SNM ta qaarkood balliga kalshaale ku dhinteen?

Liqaye, On the issue of alshabaab and its role in Somalia, I had presented my take on it in a different thread. In reality (and you know this) alshabaab does not need a power transfer in the south. For it is the POWER in the south. Anyways, it is not really fitting the Liqaye I knew to deduce from my mocking of Nairobi Conference agenda general, attributable policy stance. The argument that Azania is good in spite of it being a foreign puppet because other Somali entities are also puppets is intellectually economical, to put it mildly. Why would one want to support something that only exists in name, and risk introduce another complicating layer into an already complex political equation? Azania is not analogous to tfg, for tfg despite its flaws is composed by all Somalis and was resultant of long, tedious deliberation however foreign, and distant the venue might have been. It is not analogous to other maamuul gobeleed either, for other regional entites at least the serous ones are all the product of local consultative process and still enjoy a broad support on the ground. That I think it is nonstarter is not to oppose the good professor. Mr. Gandhi has a role to play, but in Jubbooyinka he is rearenging the deck of a sinking titanic. And by the way, if you see the old professor iqra'i salaami calayhi minnii

^Cadawgaaga cadawgiisu saaxiibkaa waaye, miyaa? I got that. But in Somali context, it is a weak strategy. Azania could've perhaps been a great story line on academic papers, but in practical terms it is nothing less than a grand delusion. Politically it is driven by a segmented diaspora, militarily it is a foreign dependent, and just like transitional entities before it, it has no constituency on the ground where it matters the most. Any analyst who understands Somali politics could easily tell you that it is a protest party in exile. To call it a state, is really misleading.

Xiin supports ONLF + Sh Ibrahim

^^Aw Tusbaxle is not your typical maryooley He has exponential powers

I really admire the man, this Azania thing is a welcome break from his never ending arguments on internet forums. He actually succeeded in translating his African eloquence into a presentable however out of touch political proposition.

^^How so, ya khabiir?

Waryaa, NGONGE ha waalin North. This Azania state has nothing to do with Zack and Kamavi...it is Aw Tusbaxle's work. Give credit where credit is due awoowe.

Azania is, in a nutshell, the political lyrics of Aw Tusbaxle. That the good professor fell for it is the story grabbing the headlines in Nairobi. The Song is actually called: "Alla adnaay, adnaay, waan kuu bogee, iisooooooo, orodey".

To Zack and Taleex, Azania is a one man state, has no grass roots, and the fact it was established in a NRB hotel says it all. There are men who dwell in grand delusions in NRB residences everyday in the caliber of Morgan and Maslah, but none of them dared to come out so naked in the public with political absurdity like Gandi did. Somalia does not need another introduction of inter clan fight, it needs peace and stability, and that would come not from NRB or Addis, it will come from within.

What will the TFG do? Will it recognize a fake state launched for the security consideration of a neighboring country or will it resist the demand and risk deepening the rift between tfg and those who support it? Farmaajo is the man to watch, he has shown a promising quality under very difficult circumstances thus far.

Thanks for the first vid, Paragon. Somalis should move on, and not look back.

Gabbal;707925 wrote: Xiin, considering you were very much in support of this conference and even put up such a preposterous idea as giving the south and "moving" the government to Puntland, what say you about this development. Gabal, you should only blame your poor comprehension if you deduced Xiin was/is ‘very much in support of this conference’ from my other post! I would support it if the first item of the agenda were how to transition the most important part of the country to alshabaab hands. That is how you get rid off UN, EGAD, and NGOs.

^^Maasha Allaah, Mintid Farayare is still around on these pages.

First time Sharif is using his leverage on the UN: you are with me or with Alshabaab Kudos to Musaveni!

^^:) Horn, awoowe spare the lecture on where Somalia fits on the priority list of the powers that be for another day. We are well familiar with the containment policy the west has had for Somalia for sometime now. I need not bother to remind you with the fact that policy worked for them, but not for Somalis. What you need to contemplate on is the notion of letting the south (Mogadishu included) to fully fall in alshabaab hands. Perhaps that will notch a bit up Somalia’s profile on regional, and global priority. There is no doubt that Alshabaab enjoy considerable local support. Perhaps you need to read how Hisbullah got where it is today. It was after painful realization from the stakeholders that the movement was there to stay ....and demonizing them would not benefit Lebanon. The political integration and acceptance come afterwards awoowe. It is true alshabaab's flamboyant attitude need be moderated. But we must first admit that they are indeed part of the conflict. The labels and the empty rhetoric coming from distant capitals will not liberate Somalia from them nor will Nairobi NGOs awoowe. Intaa haddaan iri, see la yahay ikhyaarey. Ragii rag ahaa ee halkan shaaha ku cabi jirey wax dallacay oo dawlada Farmaajo ku biiray ma jiraan?

North & Xaaji X, Politicized or not, the Kalshaale conflict brought the inherent contradictions within secessionist group to the fore. If Somalia is divisible, so is Somaliland---I am sure, more than ever, you guys can now understand that simple proposition. As for alshabaab, and the strategies of tackling them, for Somali state to be revived, Somali government must have a space to operate from, constituency support (on the ground), and popular (genuine) political platform. TFG in Mogadishu today lacks all three. It has a building and AMISOM troops…that is not enough to challenge alshabaab. What we have in Xamar is a recipe for a never-ending war. It must be rethought…and rethought it will be insha Allah. Alshabaab phenomenon requires strong contestant in the arena. Insha Allah soon Somalia will have one.

Thanks North. Somaliland is part of Somalia. You tried very hard to be different but as Kalshaale coflict showed you are still part of the larger conflict in Somalia. Will you wise up , sit down with your brethren , and find a solution or will you continue the nonsense of seeking recognition for what essentially is a clan groupings.

You are missing the point, NN. They are Hizbullah or Taliban in the sense that they are part of the conflict with a base that is stronger than the one other disputant have in the south. Ideology, political platform, and other niceties you hear from the NGOs in Nairobi should be secondary to the above mentioned fact.

Thanks Duke. Liqaye it means what it reads ...to alshabaab hands! Consider Alshabaab the Hisbulah of Somalia.

What the Agenda of April 7th Conference in Nariobi Should be: Transition the south to alshabaab hands (Mogadishu included) Empower South Central regions Prepare Puntland, Somaliland and Galmadug to host next Somali government Tease out practical policy out of Somaliland’s Kalshaale defeat (this is for Oodweyne, anc co)

As I am sure many of you were, I was glued to my tv screen, watching Aljazeera’s live coverage of the events in Egypt, watching how the man who thought he was a pharaoh without divinity left humiliated after he was brought down by mere protests. It was fascinating that Mubark left the scene without any enduring mummy, as an Egyptian playwright put it. He was gone. No good byes. No parting, eloquent speeches. It was truly fascinating how the man who ruled Egypt for nearly thirty years was forced to step down. Nothing I watched though captures Egypt’s revaluation in the manner this song does. The voice of freedom, as this song is called, is the lyrical manifestation of those in the liberation square. It captures their defiance of Mubarak’s authority, their determination to realize Egypt’s lost dignity and majesty…the moment of unity to focus on the most important thing in human experience, horiyah, liberty … Enjoy ya jamacah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oFYd9TKOkk&feature=related

The political rug has finally been pulled from under the feeble feet of secessionist leadership. NGONGE’s great army is forced to fight over a pond and grazing rights with the sons of A Garad’s Darwishs who, it must be noted, are very familiar with the folks in the north. This is not a conflict Haabsade could be of help. The lines are drawn on the sand …and a grand gamesmanship is set out. I don’t have the time to do a meneeno on SOL as I once used to, but ponder on Dalbac’s defection, the death of Ina Soofe, and the Mudug’s involvement. When Ina Camey was asked about Buuhoodle plans against Somaliland militia, ‘we have history and large brethren behind us’ he said. This as we told good NGOGE before is a Clannish conflict and there is no better classical example of clannish conflict than the one good Siilaanyo is drawn into … On the bigger picture, a new, more inclusive Somali political arrangement is being scoped out, and the fact that Somaliland is flirting with it is more telling about the veracity of separatist ideology good NGONGE is showering praises on. Things have indeed changed…and time will not be nice for some predictions/stances on these pages.