We welcome the Turkish factor in Somalia, we think Turkey's agenda is to help Somalia come back and stand on its feet.

^^So good STOIC did that cause you to change your stance on Kenya 'should invade but not kill'

No matter how loud my good friends The Zack and Prof Abtigiis cheer lead Kenya's invasion, Somalia has friends and insha Allah we will come out of this mess very soon.

^^Allaylehe waad isku bannaan tihiin

^^ :D A new dawn of clannish movement. The tragedy is that Prof. Abtigiis, the intellectual pen of my big foot tol is celebrating this with peculiar logic.

^^ :D You agree with Xiin's argument as long someone other than Xiin makes it

^^Ninyahow NGONGE maxaad isku tihiin? Doodda meesha ugu liidata baad weligiin ka qabataan

Talaado, Oktoobar 25, 2011 (HOL) — Shacabka Kenya ayaa su'aalo ka keenay qaraxyo labadii habeen ee lasoo dhaafay ka dhacya magaalada Nairobi ee xarunta dalkaas oo geystay dhimashada hal qof iyo dhaawaca 29-qof oo kale. Inkastoo Xarakada Al-shabaab aysan sheegan mas'uuliyadda qaraxyadaas, ayaa haddana booliiska iyo shacabku waxay uga shakisan yihiin weeraradaas inay ka dambeyso Al-shabaab. "Madaxa maska dhab ahaan wuxuu yaallaa halkan (Eastleigh - Islii), waa maxay sababta aan u aadayno Soomaaliya," sidaa waxa wargeysa Daily Nation u sheegay ruux Soomaali ah oo daggan Nairobi. "Yaa ii sharrixi kara sababta keentay in Al-shabaab lagula dagaalamo gudaha dalka Soomaaliya, iyadoo halkan ay joogaan xubno Al-shabaab ka tirsan," ayuu hadalkiisa ku daray. Su'aalahan ayaa waxay ka dhasheen markii Kenya ay ciidammo u dirtay gudaha dalka Soomaaliya todobaad ka hor, kaddib markii la afduubay muddo toddobaadyo gudahood ah dhowr afar qof oo ajnabi ah, kuwaasoo laba ka mid ah ay ahaayeen dalxiisayaal halka labada kalena ay ahaayeen shaqaale samofal. Xukuumadda Kenya ayaa Al-shabaab ku eedeysay inay afduubayadaas mas'uul ka tahay, isla markaana ay khatar ku tahay ammaanka guud ee dalka Kenya. Iyadoo Al-shabaab ay sheegtay in haddii Kenya ay ciidamadeeda kala bixi waydo Soomaaliya ay weerari doonaan. "Gabi ahaan faragelinta milateri ee Kenya ma tageersani. Dalku ma ahan ammaan, maxaa yeelay Shabaab waxay ku sugan yihiin Kenya," ayuu yiri Denis Kimathi oo dukaan weyn ku haysta magaalada Nairobi. "Inkastoo ciidamada Kenya ay galeen Soomaaliya, dhibaatadu waxay ka dhacaysaa halkan (Kenya). Waxay illowsan yihiin in Al-shabaab ay gudaha dalka ku sugan yihiin oo aysan joogin Soomaaliya oo keliya," ayuu yiri Desmond Ligale oo kaaliye bas ah ama kirishbooy ah. Afhayeenka booliiska Kenya, Eric Kitaithe ayaa u sheegay wakaaladda wararka ee AFP inay socdaan baaritaanno ku saabsan sidii lagu xaqiijin lahaa qaraxyadii lala beegsaday goob basaska laga raaco iyo baar lagu caweeyo oo labadana ku yaalla bartamaha Nairobi. Isniintii shalay ayuu madaxweynaha Soomaaliya Sheekh Shariif wuxuu kasoo horjeestay ciidamada Kenya ee ku sugan gudaha Soomaaliya, isagoo yiri: "Dowladda Soomaaliya iyo shacabkeedu uma ogola faragelin ciidan oo lagu sameeyo dalka iyadoo aan ogolaasho laga haysan." Wilson Muiruri, oo ah madaxa suuqeynta xarun ganacsi oo Nairobi ku taalla ayaa sheegay in afduubkii loo geystay afarta haween oo mid ay ahayd Faransiis, mid ah Ingiriis iyo labada Isbaanishka aysan keenayn in Kenya ay faragelin ku sameyso dalka Soomaaliya. "Haddii aan adkeyn lahayn xaaladda ammaan ee gudaha dalka, way wanaagsanaan lahayd inaan billowno mid caalami ah," ayuu yiri Muiruri. "Uma arko mid sax ah in dagaal loo galo afduub keliya. Tani waa arrin madaxfurasho ku saabsan." Dowladda Kenya ayaa waxaa ka jooga gudaha Soomaaliya laba guuto oo ciidamo ah kuwaasoo ay taageerayaan diyaarado dagaal, iyadoo muran ku saabsan ciidamadan uu soo dhexgalay dowladda KMG ah ee Soomaaliya iyo dowladda Kenya. Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiiraan Online maxuseen@hiiraan.com Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

GoldCoast;753903 wrote: To make it clear, I've never fully endorsed the TFG, AMISOM or its initiatives.I have zero dog in this fight and I believe there is little long term hope on a continued reliance on foreigners to impose governance, especially when governance proves to be highly ineffective. This extends to the TFG as well. I am far from a TFG or Sharif cheerleader, but on this specific issue I see the Kenyan intervention as only compounding and multiplying the relevant problems you've referred to as opposed to solving them. Considering you've brought up the many, legitimate, flaws with the TFG approach, I can only see the Kenyan intervention as a worse example. I have issues with both, I am far from inconsistent, but this seems particularly egregious. Prof. Abtigiis, instead of fighting online persona called Xiin, address GolCoast's points.

The Zack, insha Allaah when your Azania fervor subsides, we will reason with you. I find yours and Prof Abtigiis's argument the most absurd. It came down to xiin waa reer hebel

Prof. Abtigiis, you lost this argument. Go find another argument. If we believe you, you are against Kenya's invasion, and you are against Azania. Yet you're writing essays in favor of both. Reminds me the poet: Sidii gaari shaagi ninyahow gees walba u jeeda Oo labadiisaa jeeb ...... Mindhaa laba garaadlow mar danbe kaama guro sheeko

The Zack & Prof Abtigiis logic: Puntland is a buffer zone for Ethiopia it is therefore ok for Azania to be a buffer zone for Kenay. Haygula galgalan ceebta, waa lagu gumoobaaye' e

^^I take that is the last intellectual gasp from a man who lost an online argument on all grounds Thanks for that tacsida awoowe

The Zack;753869 wrote: YOU oppose Azania and support puntland, eesh calaa Somalinimo. If you oppose Azania, you denounce puntland nooh. Let's all admit it clan is everything. Thanks to NGONGE! Puntland waa mirihiii shirkii Qardha, waxaa laxanka u sameeyey Mugud, Cayn, SOOL, SANAAG, Bari, iyo Nugal. Waxaa looga heesaa Garoowe awoowe. Azania waa mirihii iyo murtidii Wazaarad Gaashindhiga ee Kenya, waxaa lagu alifay hotel Nairobi ku yaala hall, weli waxaa looga heesaa Nairobi, nimaan luuq lahayna waa qaada, waa prof Gandiye Xaal bixi waryaa The Zack

^^I take that is the last intellectual gasp from a man who lost an online argument on all grounds Thanks for that tacsida awoowe

^^Islamic courts never inherited anything save from a crumbled city. Their victory was against warlords. They did NOT replace dictators with functioning institutions and governmental structures. So the analogy is only in name , and not substantive. Hizbullah is part of a compromise government, and cannot be described politically dominant forces in Lebanon. No doubt they are very powerful militia with strong anti Zionist platform. So I see no credible analogy there either. Hamas is also in the occupied lands of Palestine with no sovereignty to speak of. The similarity with ENNAHDA ends at the fact taht Hamas won through the ballot boxes. So I believe you are still being cynic here

Prof Abtigiis, we are being a bit emotional now, are we not? Easy with the dot com references awoowe AMISOM Is a multinational forces that sustain current TFG. Look at the countries from which they are drawn, and there is no sense of conflict of interest or historical ambitions toward Somalia's territorial integrity. When you regain your senses, I am sure you will agree with me

^^Really? I can only remember one party that blew that kind of opportunity, and that was Mujaahiduun/Taliban of Afghanistan. And there were many impeding factors that could explain their failure. If you know others that squandered similar opportunity, please share.

Dear Ayoub, The Splittest Thanks for the video. The good Professor seems to be making a lot of excuses as to why Kenya invaded Somalia. He is clearly siding with Kenya on this, and I think that is wrong. Sharif on the other hand made a bold statement that what Kenya is doing is circumventing TFG. I am with Sharif on this. It is possible Sharif will walk away from his position in the next few days. Still, I will have oppose it on the grounds that Alshabaab cannot be defeated by foreign troops. Abtigiis;753867 wrote: Bishaaro. Bishaaro. Bishaaro. Bil Khayr dhaha dadweeynoow. Waa CARAVAN Travel and Tolnimo Agency oo idin leh soo dhawaada. In Caravan, our religion is Islam, our state is Puntland, our destination is Kismayo. There is no God but Allah, and Mohamed is his messenger. There is no state but Puntland and Faroole is its leader. Others can only have a separatist enclave, a buffer-zone. We provide translation and notarial services. We certify some states, we reject others and we qualify some others. And the big-foots, as footloose people, can only own a buffer zone or live under established states. They cannot own their fifedom in Somalia. Those who believe in this noble doctrine, please join us. Call our chairman Xinnfanin at his Gollis number 252-456-766-12 or write to him at Xinnfanin@pirate-pride.co.PL . ^^ :D You are losing it there profesoore , there is a clear The Zack factor there

Prof Abtigiis, nin fiican baad tahaye xoogaa si baad u bashbashleedahay ayyaamahan. Doodu nuxurkeedu waxa weeye, Somaliya dawlad halloo sameeyo, haddaan loo sameynayn oon shacabka Soomaaliyeed loo heellinayn halloo daayo nimanka haysta. Mahiga's road map is being apparently disrupted by Kenya's invasion. Kenya is not the UN. It is a neighboring country, if you remember it correctly, IGAD agreed not to send forces from the countries bordering Somalia into Somali soil. So Kenya is clearly in the wrong here.

Abtigiis :D For the record , I do not oppose Galmadug. Never was. Azania is not a state or local administration. It is a buffer zone initiative conceived to defend Kenya's interest (Whatever that means). GoldCoast, the PM lost it here if indeed what he said is his policy toward fighting Alshabaab.

^^LOL The Zack, Azania bay kaaga dhegtay. Allow kuu naxariiso

Prof. Abtigiis, I need your attention for a nano second. Armed warlords are what created Alshabaab, it is what gave Ashabaab the credibility they enjoyed so long. Alshabaab are thousand times better than those who destroyed Somalia, and sacked the capital. Those who raped and maimed the innocent because they were reer hebel. So yes Alshabaab are better than armed qabiils with political ambitions. Hear that. I do not buy the notion that everything is better than Alshabaab. For your reference here are some ideas that can never be better than Alshabaab 1- Warlords 2- Foreign Invasions 3- Somali mercenaries equipped and supported by foreign intelligence armies Alshabaab is not an invincible entity. They can be easily defeated if there is a native army with political legitimacy. The closest we have is the poorly equipped soldiers in Mogadishu. If Kenya is serious in combating Alshabaab they could support the TFG, and enhance its fighting capacity. That I can support. But invading the whole region with swagger and the arrogance Yusuf Xaaji displayed is unbearable and points to other sinister motives.

^^You are right about the evolution of Islamic parties in Turkey. But you are being your usual cynic about the risk ENNAHDA may pose to the stability of Tunisia. These leaders spent years in exile and understand the way of the world. They campaigned a realist and practical political platform, and they won. There is no reason they will endanger the very opportunity that brought back to their lands and gave them the very victory they got today.

NN is either ill-informed or have something against political parties with Islamic orientation.