^^With this kind of caqli, iga gaabso please. My son is my son and has nothing to do with this forum. Very elementary, isn't it? I still hope you can engage without bringing perceived family members into the discussion.

I think he has till 11/2012. But I never liked him. He has something against Muslims. Always.

^^Remember this is a forum, so control your emotions.

Ninka saa Xaaji Xunjuf uga qaylisiiyey tolow ma Habar Magaadlaa?

^^waayahay Sheekh Bashiirow

I feel sorry for Kenya. I am hearing the reason they have not yet captured Afmadow is because of the militia guiding Kenyan army is not comfortable in displacing residents of the city in this rainy season. The residents are supposedly of the same clan as the one the militia belongs. So the great Kenyan army is bogged down by rain, and politics, and did not advance more than 20 kilometers from the border. Apparently the random air strikes is an attempt to make up the progress, which Kenyan army failed to make on the ground.

By Scott Horton Connecticut senator Joseph Lieberman has put forward the Enemy Expatriation Act, which threatens to strip the citizenship of any American who is convicted of “providing material support or resources to a Foreign Terrorist Organization, as designated by the secretary of state, or actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies.” In putting the measure forward, Lieberman continuously invoked Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike on September 30. Al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico and thus had American citizenship, though he undoubtedly considered himself an enemy of the United States. Senator Lieberman’s bill makes for good politics — there is no safer move in contemporary American politics than beating up on a dead man, especially one whom no one wants to defend. Still, the “material support” concept might have consequences he would rather not discuss. As the Justice Department has made clear in the past, material-support charges can be brought against persons whose activities service or fund a scheduled terrorist organization even if the individual doesn’t know that his recipient is a terrorist, or if he is providing support for a non-violent purpose. In a brief submitted to the federal district court in Washington, the Justice Department posited that “a little old lady in Switzerland who writes checks to what she thinks is a charity that helps orphans but is really a front for Al Qaeda” would be guilty of material support. Yet consider the trip taken by former attorney general Michael Mukasey, former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, former Homeland Security secretary Tom Ridge, and former national security adviser Frances Townsend, who traveled to Paris in December 2010 to deliver speeches in support of the Iranian Mujahedeen-e Khalq (“MEK”) and shared a podium with its commander, Maryam Rajavi. MEK has many benefactors in high political positions, particularly in the G.O.P., but it is a scheduled terrorist organization in the United States — a designation it earned partly for its role in the execution of American service personnel in Iran in the 1970s. MEK’s boosters argue that its anti-American terrorism is long past, and they value it for the terrorist violence it can rain upon Iran — the group has become “our terrorists,” it would seem. Are Mukasey, Giuliani, Ridge, and Townsend guilty of material support for their public activities on MEK’s behalf? Should their citizenship be forfeited? And what about Joe Lieberman and other U.S. lawmakers? In June 2004, they backed President George W. Bush’s designation of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally, and in the seven years thereafter, they appropriated more than $19 billion in assistance to the country, about 75 percent of which was explicitly for security-related purposes. But an investigation in 2007 by the New York Times concluded that “money has been diverted to help finance weapons systems designed to counter India, not Al Qaeda or the Taliban.” Indeed, it subsequently became clear that Pakistan’s intelligence service and military were deeply enmeshed in efforts to train and support scheduled terrorist organizations involved in attacks on India, such as the November 2008 Mumbai attack by Lashkar-e Taiba, and on American interests, such as the September 13 bombings of the U.S. embassy and NATO headquarters in Kabul. The outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen, testified before Congress that the attacks in Afghanistan were the work of the Haqqani network, “which has long enjoyed the support and protection of the Pakistani government and is, in many ways, a strategic arm of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Agency.” In other words, aid that Lieberman and other U.S. lawmakers voted for flowed into the hands of the Haqqani network and Lashkar-e Taiba, and may have fueled acts of terrorism against the United States and its allies. Given this, it could be argued that Congress and the Bush Administration fail the Justice Department’s bizarre “little old lady in Switzerland” test, and so would find themselves on the wrong side of the material-support statute — if immunity doctrines did not protect them, that is. This goes to show how easily the “material support” notion can be abused, and why prosecutors should be required to present compelling evidence that accused parties knew, or should have known, that their support would be used to further terrorist aims. Then again, perhaps Senator Lieberman’s bill should go forward — but with the added proviso that the Justice Department not grant immunity to members of Congress and government officials, and that it apply the material-support standards to those who appropriated funds that wound up with Lashkar-e Taiba and the Haqqani network. These people certainly have some explaining to do.

Out of 100, 000 Somalis in MN here we have two dozen celebrating for Kenya's invasion. Tells you how out layer the support of these folks really is.

lol@NGONGE & Prof Abtigiis. ^^Born again separatist like NGONGE has no place in serious discussion concerning Somalia. Prof. Abtigiis is a gifted orator who wants to make up in length what he lacks in depth. I must admit that his most recent transition (perhaps to zero) bothered me. The Zack, your latest post leaves a lot to be desired. Opposition to the Kenyan invasion is not akin to a Alshabaab support. Understand that and come back.

^^Well put.

^^Apparently you are bringing your running battles with xiin to this post as well But if you think TFG is akin to old Mogadishu warlords, you are entitled to your opinion however weak. Again TFG is the only national framework that allows politicians/leaders with varying background clannish and ideology wise to operate in the same national entity and in the same city. I must believe there is a process to improve it. To improve and build on it will be the interest of all Somalis, you included. Destroying it with no alternative to replace it will be a major setback.

Che, I am afraid the answer for your question is no. UK is the ultimate test here--- if memory serves me right, they refused to join the Euro Zone.

And on the larger picture, Europe is fighting to prevent the inevitable, the casino culture of the west is crumbling and there is nothing that can be done to restore it.

^^ They need to secure Xamar and reduce AMISOM presence , and then expand out of Xamar toward South

Aniga iyo The Zack waxba nama dhexyaalaan, we all want the same thing but we differ on how to get there. Kenyans and neighboring countries has own national interest in relation to Somalia. The Zack and I should be united in face of foreign intervention. The only disappointment in The Zack is that he sided with the Kenyan invasion. Xiin does not change, he was against Ethiopia, and he is against Kenya , I wish I could say the same about my brother The Zack

This is a progress, inkastooy Ugandan usoo ekaadeen

^^lol@naked rear You're simply being desperate here. Afka suubso waryaa

^^The 'legal fiction' called TFG is the closest we have to a national framework I said. PS. We is a pronoun signifying plural. In this case it denotes Somalis. That you have an issue with anything that has something to do with unity is an old news awoowe.

Thankful;755283 wrote: Does any see what I am talking about? The thing that makes secessionsts the most concerned and even angry is hearing about development and positive news. Mintid Farayar rarely posts, but once it's something positive that will benefit people of Somalia, he has so much to say by way of bashing Turkey. Secessionists base their whole agenda on claiming Somalia is lawless, thus news likes this doesn't help them. Well said! It is so true.

^^I am not 'so wedded to it', rather I think TFG is the only entity that provides a national framework. From that angle, its purpose is tooffer starting point from which to go forward. With AMISOM securing key installations, and effectively defending it, TFG could be used a launchpad for reconciliation. Somalis need this legal fiction to go forward. The only alternative is a radical one, and I don't think it is suitable to the current political setting on the ground.

^^Trying to be reasonable , eh! Awoowe allow me to point out the fact that your Somaliland (I do it agian ) project is contingent upon foreign promises and signals for false hopes that it will one day succeed. You defend that nonsense day in and day out, and you come here preaching for reason and rationality. Somalia welcomes Turkey's help. Hopefully Turkey's commitment is beyond famine relief as it seems to be.

That Kenya is not going to defeat Alshabaab is a reasonable prediction. But what is omitted is another more likely outcome which is Alshabaab will be given another life line on the expense of TFG, whose financial resource and political legitimacy will diminish as a result of the converging foreign military interventions.

^^It is you who is talking about emotions and stuff. Tells me that the fact I exposed your separatist tendency (which naturally holds anything bad in Somalia is good for Somaliland and anything good hurts the recognition project) threw you out of balance in a big way. We are talking about Turkey building schools in Somalia. We are talking about scholarships, infrastructure initiatives i.e. paved road between the airport and presidential palace, 400-hundred bed hospital and other development projects that are underway. And you are talking about geopolitics, and hypothetical match up between Turkey and interested nations in Somalia. Who is injecting emotions into the topic then. Look at the kudos coming from other nomads and look at your posts, Mintid. You stand out in a big, negative way. Turkey already is on my side (and your side if you use your brain). It is helping. It is real.

^^Adeer unless just you woke up to this issue on SOL boards, I have been talking whys and the reason I am opposed to this Kenyan invasion. We also talked about the best approach forward. Give me one reason I repeat what I have been saying for the last week oo dhan. I am not here to convert people waryaa So far the only thing Kenyans achieved is to bombard camps hosting famine devastated families near Jilib.

As Hassan Kharaab once rightly pointed out, Gartu Siday u Indha La'dahay, Uma Alla La'a So good Nuune, kheyr baa ii muuqda awoowe