Oodweyne, Puntland's larger prospect will not be diminished by the creation of another unionist state by the Taleex community. There are many scenarios that could transpire during or after the declaration that could strengthen the prospect of Somalia's revival, which will naturally benefit Puntland and other states that see Somalia as theirs. And I shall labor to explain to you a Taleex state will be a natural ally to Puntland nowithstanding brother's Liibaan emotianal excesses with respect all things Garoowe---they will be bound by blood as well as national interests; political, economic and security wise. I am sure you know good Oodweyne what will be permanently dented by the emerging State will be the delusions of dismembering Somalia. The concept of regional groupings coming together to form the future bases of stronger Somalia will be enhanced, not harmed by SSC state. Moonlight, One needs to respect the outcome of Taleex, and wish them success. It will be a nascent state that will need support from Puntland and its people , AND if the Northern brothers wake up from the separatist delusion they will benefit as well.

Magaca maamulkan, xuduudahiisa iyo halka ay noqoneyso xaruntiisa ayaa la sheegay in maalmaha soo socda laga arinsan doono, Waxaana lagu wadaa in tobanka maalmood ee soo socda la soo saaro faahfaahin dheeraad ah oo la xiriira siyaasada iyo habka uu u shaqeynayo maamulkan maanta laga go’aamiyey shirka Taleex. Did not see the official communique yet. However, let me go on a limp on this and say the declaration was expected. But the most important parameters still remain to be defined. Borders of the new admin. The seat of its executive. The status of Laasanod. Strategies to deal with the two elephants in the room (Puntland, & Somaliland). Relationship with TFG. All these are yet to be defined. Keep us updated plz...

Oodweyne is angry for a reason Somaliland is a collection of clans with deep history and tradition, and the notion of one poor clan determining the destiny for other clans is nonsense. However, when one reads Oodweyne's swagger and the falsity of his conviction, one realizes the separatist lot are at their last throes. If Khaatumo at Taleex is the finale of very exciting and impressive series of political events, which the SSC community have had for the good part of 2011, it could also be described as a genies political scheme that will read the travesty in the north to its last rites ...

By talking they way you are, you are obviously asking for trouble. Val, you must remember, is not far away to shoe you away if you continue characterizing her beloved community as sufferers of clinical disease

lol@Abtigis Honestly I don't understand why Liiban and Abdikhadar of people are discussing this nonevent. You would think they should have been the ones burying such distractions reported as news. Perhaps Abtigis has a point

Not a big deal--booing is expected in such conferences , it is natural tor some people to express their anger and frustration. This should not be a big deal

Abtigiis;772092 wrote: WEEP NOT OODWYNE In super-market parlance, the VAL is out of stock. A brand that won’t come back in months, or years, in its current design. It is out of market too. But,soon, and very soon, an unmarried sister from SSC- image cut and copied by scale from the Val you saw here – will be Taleex’s newest grace; - will have to roll down the Xargaga Valley, turn left into another valley, this time the one down to Xudun. Down, down that rough-way, past abooraale, past tuulo-baas, past Sabareey’s trenchs, into the Qorsheel’s den, crossing the haasweyne River, leaving dusty villages alone to her West. The Darwish-girl from Canada will do a gentle dip, into the masrshlands of the SOL plateu, unevenly split by seasonal streams as it hurries to empty into dry, thirsty soils, close to Las Anod, the place of repeated tears. Legend has it that the SSC sub-clan in LA is bewitched by marauding secessionists, black cats cut into miniscule pieces of flesh and blood, green and yellow eyes from fattened he-sheep removed from their sockets, mixed with honey and milk, and dried hair of sterile widower, and then buried in a water-well in the center of the town. Day in, Day out, families drink water from the deep well, all the time absorbing the jinx of division into their emaciated stomachs. But this beauty will throw a cleansing spell on the cursed town, splashing coca-lite she imported from the lands of thousand rivers onto bony and ribbed cows of home. The bones belong to Garaad Jaamac. These four legged carcasses scatter along either side of the road outside Las Anod, clearly sapped, seemingly browsing barren, ashen soils of Sol. She will feed them hotdogs and crisps and these beasts swell, and swell before her own eyes! And then she will proceed, and proceed, to where the curse will be lifted, to where it will happen. For days. Before she will have walked for long, only for few days, and close to the fortress of Taleex, the cheering cavalcade (decorated he-camels carrying her) shall mop, drums and ululation, slowing pace, closing ranks into an incessant bee-like of blinking right indicators. Only that the indicators are gunfire from AK-47s. Whereupon, the lead he-camel shall gaze at the carving on an aging Qudhac tree! It reads “Taleex, Khaatumo 2”, the bottom side of the 2 meancingly pointing towards Hargeisa, seemingly taunting whatever race there to dare a disruption of this idyllic wedding. And then appears the stone-walled edifices that housed Somalinimo and Islaamnio for decades, standing still, bereaved and streaked like the hand of a leaper. A toothless old man shouts “it badly needs a caring Alma Meter. Taleex’s Palaces”. This SSC bride will have arrived, will have finally touched the loaded red sands of home where cattle and camels buy you a wife, send boys to school. Where to be smart is to tie three big satellite dishes (some analogue, some digital) and revolve it heaven-wards, southwards and at times downwards, to gaze at the innards of this universe with this potent desert ‘Challenger-II’. She will have arrived to a household with all these rich idiosyncrasies. Whereupon the anxious village shall explode into happiness, less for the Val’s younger sister’s marriage, more for the promise of a great eating feast to follow. Coca Cola sent for a task of taking the chunky meat of goat and camel home, as far as the bigger intestines, rice munched between animated gossip, and amid sowing of it back to the plates where you harvest to the annoyance of some who think this is bad table manners; only that it is bacda cuntada manners in the land of the Daraawish! Ony that a bigger marriage of clan cohesion is taking place by the side, making the joy of the bride ephemeral. And the SSC gray-haired men read scripts after scripts. Embarce one another and clap and jump in circles in joyous dance of triumph. The triumph gives us more of the girls we watched, to be marked for adoring pursuit of the dwindling species – the tall and durable girls of the SSC. That is the real triumph. So, weep not Oodweyne. Taleex is more than mundane politics. it's the EGOLI (place of Gold) of eating; the time of drinking; the hour of ephemeral plenty. It is a three-dimensional endevour in this land of perpetual scarcity. Bless the Aftahan tongue or Prof Abtigis' pen; the depiction of Khaatumo conference at Taleex as a real triumph for the SSC community with beautiful, flowery language is refreshing... The point is not whether Val gave the speech, the point is rather how the views of this large community from the educated, urbanite like Val to the camel herder in Boocame are converging to achieve unity for all people

Waxaan qaban nimaan qaadan jirin looma qooq taga'e ama waa tii abwaankiiye, Rag tashaday cirkay toli karaan taaka labadeede'e Khaatumo 2 could be a game changer with respect to the falsity and delusions in dismembering Somalia

I think Carafaat spoke the truth

The Zack, xiin defends Puntland marka baaruuda Professor Abtigis wax kasoo gaaraan As for opposing other states, that is not true. I support Galmudug for example. I oppose SL for its separatist agenda, and oppose your Azania for it is being forced by Kenyan guns

War midkan yare ee Salax ah nag-nag badanaa , war ragga shiraya ka har

Puntland's political construct is simple as it is genuine. It is based on practical clan settings. And in that, it radically departs from the political delusions in the North and the madness in the South. Its political arrangements is predicated on the security needs of its people. There are no parities, not that it cannot or unable to have parties but the priority has been to help Somalia, the republic, to come back. That is where Puntland's energy and resources are most allocated. There have been four leaders for the region, each tried and in my opinion failed to meaningfully shape the politics of Somalia. But trying it was never wrong. One can focus on clannish matrix, and pass judgments on the region, but the reality remains clans are only one factor shaping the Somali politics. Puntland is a great addition to the Somali equation; it's what complicates the delusion in the North, and for the most part it is Puntland that motivates political unity in the South/Central and drive for the revival of the Somali republic... If you are looking for political parties in the tradition of Jefferson, Puntland is not Norway nor does it delude its self to think it is one

Professor Abtigis, Perhaps Hiil Qaran leadership needs to market what they stand for and reach out. Abdirizak H speaks highly of them, and that is very much all I know about this party. The Samatar brothers produced great academic papers but I am sure they understand that Somalia needs more than learned men. I just happen to live in the same state with them and I have yet to hear a single gathering promoting this thing. And that says a lot ... That I am Somali and want Somalia to come back proud and strong, there is no doubt. We need however a credible leadership

^^Ma isku kaa hallayn karaa marakan, waryaa? Hiil Qaran haddii leadership wax layga siinayo waan geli

Oodweyne would die angry This is a great gathering , significant in many ways

Somehow I don't feel festive about this,

Baashi, I dont think Liibaan is reading what you are writing, he somehow saw a Faroole in you , and that is the man he is conversing with , quite lividly if I may add.

Abtigiis;770661 wrote: .... Puntland can live with an autonomous SSC, after all, they all are part of a bigger and nobler entity called Somalia. The big losers at Taleex are the SNM zealots who tried all tricks in every book to hoodwink the international community into believing that a fetid clan agenda deserves recognition and respect. No secessionist is today wearing a dry pant. All have wet themselves out of fear and trepidation. Spot on

Alshaab Subclans Ahlusunnah Subclans Combined they control close to 60% of the South/Central

^^I understand you are emotionally invested in this 'Clan is Everything' nonsense. One may be best advised however to moderate his swagger in pushing it as far as you did. You are not, good NGONGE, a college kid. Absolutism, you see, is only acceptable in theological realms awoowe---casting it on the ever evolving Somali conflict is [waryaa meelaha banaan buuxi] I gave examples , facts that clearly contradict your assertions. Yet you are unable to even acknowledge the palpable anomalies in it , war wax isku fal waryaa

lol@Professor Abtigis

^^Really? Alshabaab is one off kulahaa So much for 'Clan is everything'. Waa kaa haray waryaa, laakiin baro sida arguments ka loo sameeyo

Great analysis Baashi Taleex conference could not came any better time. Somalia is at crossroads, and the community has to show and shine

^^You ignored the original argument...Clan is not everything I said clan is part of the Somali fabric...so no denying of its role. Clan is everything assertion ignores why Alshabaab is rising, and Ahlusunnah has a table on the seat...why Xaabsade is a minister in Hargeysa, and Ina Carab is on the TFG cabinet. EDIT: Professor Abtigis may give you a hand here, but I am sure he does not oppose Ethiopia because of his clan. Abdi Iley and the good Professor belong to the same clan; one is an Ethiopian governor, presiding ten thousand militia while the other is a supporter of ONLF, vanquishing in exile life away from family and friends. And you say CLAN IS EVERYTHING...allow ku hanuuni PS; 4.5 is a political construct. It has no clannish resonance in the traditional sense. It is universally agreed to be unfair system. You can tell by who is preserving it ...

^^In your attempt to explain the Somali azmah with your 'Clan is Everything' nonsense, you are resorting to incoherence. There are two political constructs with solid clan orientation (Somaliland, and Puntland) and they are doing just fine. In the south Alshabaab and Ahlusunnah dominate militarily and they are anything but clannish. TFG has a H president, a D Prime Minister, a Baydhabo Speaker, and even Hargeysa Defense Minister, and they are at times act harmoniously. Farmaajo got wild support from Mogadishu, an H strong hold. Those are the facts. There was a time when Somalis fought and kill each other because of clan lineage. Not anymore. Clan is part of Somalia social fabric but it is not everything...very elementary but we shall repeat it to NGONGE . So much for destroy clans to unite them