It is the norm in all around the world that the integrity of any nation is enforced by force; if any disgruntled group could be allowed to erect little statlets to satisfy its political ambitions, no nation would survive. So I am not big on this agreements good Chimera is insinuating here

Abtigiis;773480 wrote: ...admitting the SNM struggle was just as it was against oppression doesn't mean we endorse the SNM when they plot aggression against the sacred ideal of somalinimo, and even worse when they try to impose their will on other clans in the North. When I was in the Southern hemisphere of Africa, I saw the ANC youth chanting the war chant during the days of struggle ‘‘Dubula ibhunu! (Kill the Boer) in Polokwane and unconsciously puffed out my chest, and lip-synced with the chanters even though I do not even discern a single stanza. I haven't yet reached to the stage where I will substitute the "Kill the Boer" with "kill the secessionist", but if they attack the SSC, It would be about time. Oodweyne and smart ones know that separatist politics is a means to get a larger share from the Somali pie. What worries me is NGONGE who seem to have taken this thing quite literally . Wuxuu ku leeyahay Dawladda Qaranka ee Somaliland SSC admin is the only logical, effective vaccination to stimulate the immune system of weak Somali political polity to develop adaptive immunity to the separatist disease in the North. If the Oodweyne is smart, he and his ilk will realize what they are upto , which is not military power, but rather a well constructed political ideology that is fundamentally pro unity with deep historically nationalistic background.

Prof Abtigis qoor-sagaaro xun buu ku hayyaa nimanka go'ayya, ka aftahansan, oo hadalka ka heli og, oo taariikhda ragga go'ayya aqoon gaara u leh, oo afka boqorada iglan la garan og, wallee nimanka balaayaa lagu salladay. Way iskugu yeerteen, oo waakaa kii Oodweyne ahaa 'condom' iyo wax daran kaga keenay, oo waa kaa NGONGE xoogaagii lagu shubay shakki ka geliyey, oo waa kii AfricaOwn maanta jleeca iyo na dhunkada ka keenay

Do you really think the Queen of England and it's Western Powers will forfeit their support for Somaliland and it's Independence? :D

^^Waryaa Abdikhadar, ma Taleex baad kasoo warramaysaa ninyahow? Raggii ii warrami jirey Taleex bay wada aadeen, ee bal update ka noogu dadaala

The article Professor Abtigis posted states factual truths about the political ramification of the Taleex conference. Somaliland's political leaders and traditional chiefs spoke about the Taleex conference in a manner that is in agreement with this article's conclusion. This is not a mere meeting. It is a grand conference, unprecedented, historic in many ways , and it already produced principle agreements to establish a new admin in SSC area. Today Garaad Saleeban, a long ally of Puntland admin, endorsed that agreement and spoke in length about the need for this admin. With the declaration of SSC admin with the agreement of all traditional Issims, political leaders, Diaspora delegates, intellectuals and even armed militias, Taleex gathering has indeed crossed a political Rubicon as it were. The only fair comparison to Taleex development is the establishment of Puntland and the Garowe conference that fathered it. Carta is a false analogy. Xaglatoosiye's Nairobi mini conference that resulted in SSC militia does not compare. This is strategic consultative all inclusive meeting, that took many months of planning and logistical arrangement. If you know the people and the land, you can be in no doubt. Ina Waraabe is speaking more truth than our resident SNM intellectual, NGONGE. As we said, Somaliland reached a political sealing; it is natural for other political constructs to emerge...good news for the unionist camp

Siyaasaddu waa abbaar astaama badan una baahan in aad ahaato qof tuke ka feejigan ,waxaana tallaabo kama kacda ah u ah daraasaynta hab dhaqanka dadka Siyaasaddu waa abbaar astaama badan una baahan in aad ahaato qof tuke ka feejigan ,waxaana tallaabo kama kacda ah u ah daraasaynta hab dhaqanka dadka (human behavior)-ka sida uu sheegay madaxweyne LAWRENCE LOWEL taasoo ku soo aroortay buuga la yidhaahdo (AMERICAN POLITICAL SCIENCE ASSOCIATION)iyadoo dhacdooyinka siyaasadeedna laysaga faaidaysto ,bulsho kastaabana waxa ay leedahay qaab dhismeed gaara oo loola dhaqmo ,waxana jira qaab ay u fikiraan iyo wax agtooda ku wayn ,hadii wax saylac ku san la yidhaahdo TALEEX ha ku samaadaan waxa soo baxaya isla heli waa iyo in wacyigii siyaasiga ahaa uuu jenbi dhigo ,hayeeshee siyaasadda dhexdeeda waxa jirta in uu qofka siyaasiga ah ee gaasa baxay uu awood u leeyahayy in uu u rogi karo wax kastoo xagal daacin kara xaggasan waa haduu hayo wax yaabaha siyaasiga bila waxa uu yidhi senator MARK HANNAH (R-OH),1903(waxa jira laba arimood oo aad u baahan tahay si ay u guulaysato siyaasaddaadu ta koobaad waa lacag ta labaadna kama fikiri karo )waxa aan filayaa in lacagta baanka ku jirta loogu tala galay in qaranimada lagu ilaaliyo ,madaxweynaana waxaan filayaa markuu shirka ogolaaday in uu dimuqraadiyadda xoojinayey uu na filaayey *********** oo taariikhda Somaliland qayb weyn ku lihi in ay karaamadooda muujiyaann ,garaad koodana mideeyaan taasooka turjumaysa guushooda iyadoo lagu midoobaayo Somaliland nimada ,iyo dhul uraaqa ,wax wada qabsiga ,iyadoo ayy xaaraan tahayy in usha wadanka badhtanka la qabto ,waxaan filayaa hadii ay abbaar wareeg taa ka dhigtaan waxay u talinayaan mustaqbalka ubadka dhabarka taleex ku jira hayeeshee abwaankii weynaa ee siyaasiga ahaa ee FAARAX NUUR(IHN) ayaa yidhi Ana nadartu wixii aan arko ayaan nacam idhaahdaa Waxaan ku odhan lahaa anigoo ka duulaya odhaahdaa FAARAX kuwa SOMALILAND kazoo horjeeda odhaahdii MOHATMA GANDHI(qof idhibi karaa ma jiro anoo ka aqbala mooyiye ),kuwa Somaliland taageersan ee TALEEX joogana waxaan ku odhan lahaa odhaahdii ABRAHAM LINCOLN (maraykan debbeda kama burburayo hayeeshee wuxuu burburayaa marka aynu inagu isku raacno burburidiisa),intaa ka dib hadaan ka waramo odoroska waxyaabaa soo bixi kara, waxa shirka ku jira kana faaidaysana xagla jebiyayaal badan kuwaasoo bedeli kara maanka dadka iyagoo usoo xidhanaya shaadhadhka dadka waaweyn kuwaasoo ku dadaali doona in debedda iyo gudaa laysku xidho dabeeto *********** boqolkiiba sideetan uu awoodiisa ku mideeyo in ciidan ay samaystaan maamul goboleedkoodana ay debed iyo gudaba ka muujiyaan ,taasoo keenaysa in ay borobagaandho fidiyaan hadaba dawlada waxa la gudboonayd markay aragtay shirkaa in aanay ogolaan ,haday ogolaatayna in ay ku dhaqanto siyaasaddi NICCOLO MAICHAVELLI oo ay khilaaf shirka ka dhex rido badhasaabka ceerigaabana ay nin *********** ah u magcawdo,aanay tilmaanto in uu shirkaasu yahay mid fawdo ah oo ay dabeeto ciidanku dhinaca bari iyo dhinaca taleex ba ka ruqaansadaan ,waayo dumuqraadiyaddu waxay xuquuqda dadka ilaalisaa inta ay dadku xuquuqda ilaaliyaan tuuga waxa loo xidhaa xuquuqduu ilaalin waayey,waxaanay ahayd in ay ETHOIPIA usheegto xubnaha aanay xidhiidhka fiicani ka dhaxayn ee shirka kazoo qayb galay ,taasoo hadhoow raad dhabar jab ah ku noqon lahayd dhaqdhaqaaqa BUUHOODLE ee ciidan ee ninkii garaadlihi uu saadaalinayo ,marka ciidanku uu aagga ceerigaabo ka ruqaansado isagoo hogaaminayo gobolkaa nin *********** ahi dadku waxa ay dareemilahaayeen qubuul ,sidoo kale dadka ku andocoonaya in aan *********** waxay xaq u lahaayeen lasiini arintooodu waxay noqon lahayd fiidmeeray goortu waa subax ,kuwa ogol Somaliland waxay u noqon lahayd waxay la shirtagaan oo ay yidhaahdaan tanba la qabay ,hadii sidaa la yeeli waayo waatuu HADRAAWI yidhi Qof sansaanka muuqdiyo Sadarada akhriyayaa Belo saadin maayee San qadh buuka digayaa Waxa soo baxaysa in arintii kalshaale lasoo cusboonaysiiyo arintu daba dheeraato indha cadhaysan oo somaliland ka baqayaa haatan ay wax ba iskaga keen tirin waayaan ,hadii ay awood u helaan arinta ay balaadhiyaan si toosana ay ula saftaan,sirka somaliyeed ee ingiriiska laga wadana looga yeedho qaaar maqaar saara oo umaddeena ah siyaadadeena oo dhan iyo sharafkeenaba dhulka la jiido ,arintaa xukuumadu haka hawl gasho inta ay qabashada leedahay ,khayrbaan rajaynayaa!!!!. AADAN MAXAMUUD MAXAMED (AADAM WIDHIIDH) (Author and political analyst)

When all is said and done, it will be the actions by the Laascaano community that will determine the character of the new admin. I am looking forward to see how the boys react to realize and implement the Taleex principle . Buuhoodle and Boocame were never in doubt, ya Liban

And each baby-step they take towards setting up a viable SSC regional administration is a dagger in the heart of the secessionists in the North. The truth

^^ :D Why else would you labor to set up so obvious snare in the daylight awoowe . Does it worry you that the only folks loudly condemning this peaceful gathering of SSC community is none other than your Somaliland leaders (political and traditional) ? You want others to join in your non judicious ways of doing things , try again awoowe

^^I concede that I might've spoken early (due to a knowledge of a well crafted political scheme in Taleex) but still i did not say much other than the fact that this is a game changer politically speaking. It is obvious. Today teh conference will tackle the name of the admin and the astaan....golihii, caasimadii and fulintii baa hartay awoowe , aan wada dhawrno

^^This is an area good NGONGE has excellent skills for--- Alas your Oodweyne village background denies you that aptitude

^^NGONGE, You are right the minister should've waited before issuing threats to the peaceful gathering by SSC community in Taleex. But the tables are completely turned now; a unified voice from Taleex vs divided and desperate calls out of Hargeysa Did I not tell you before, ciyaari waa gelin danbe, gelin danbe awoowe

SNM boys sound defeated before even the conference in Taleex is concluded Waxa bootto ka dhacaysa, war meel fariista arrimahan ilaah baa wattee

^^The talk of 'knuckle-dusters' is itself a desperate talk awoowe and you know it...for if Somaliland had the militia power and political will it would not have allowed the conference to take place in Taleex, a city it claims to fall within its sphere of influence

Beeeeeeeeeeen indeed an spectacular failure for an otherwise well produced, stagemanged xaaji xunjuf

Nasir, Take Khaatumo Conference as a needed political garb to restore a much needed equilibrium in the unionist vs separatist battle that has been waging over northern territories particularly over the SSC lands . It will have a symbolic affect on Puntland no doubt but it will pose a real challenge to the prevalent expansionist attitude of the separatist clan state in the North. The final political contours of future Somalia will be painted in an all inclusive gathering where many important stakeholders shall be present including Somaliland. It is then that the question of equity and fairness shall be adequately be addressed. But before we even discuss the eventual, necessary parameters for a vaibale state, we must first establish certain, political baselnes awoowe

^^Now you see what I was telling you all along; the sheer fact of regional admin for the folks of SSC will rattle your entity to its core. The overseer of the separatist melitia could not even wait (just like you at least intended to do) for the conclusion of the conference for he knows the consequence and significance of today's principle agreement

Carafaat, stop the side arguments you are having with yourself awoowe . The man of the hour is Oodweyne in this thread, and so far he yielded the floor until the Taleex conference is conclusive.

Oodweyne;772642 wrote: ^^ :D So, Am I to understand that, your argument basically says, that, this Tolka will win their battle against us; even, if you know, that the combine forces of Pirate-land and the bulk of the SSC, hasn't amount to much, ever since 2007 ? Is that so small of a ledger is what now your hopes for the demise of Somaliland rest on it? Or Am I reading you wrongly in here? Oh the tragic myopic view of Oodweyne Awoowe men are never measured on the strength of their armies, rather men's success is contingent up the strength of their cause and determination. If it was the first that determine the outcome of struggle, Barre regime would have never been toppled yaa Oodka And yes I am telling you right now, in the battle between united Darwish clan and delusional snm boys over the control of Darwish clan territories your boys will not stand a chance

Oodweyne;772631 wrote: Or are you under the impression that we in Somaliland are going to allow this state to be working in the territories we are in power to control it. Do you think, if it becomes clear, that this new state is not bargaining chip with Somaliland (as we have been given reason to believe) then, we will allow it one iota of a territory of Sool to come under it's jurisdiction safe for Buhodle, at least for now? Are you really that deluded to think, we are going to rear undomesticated venomous snake in our back-yard, if we can help it ? I did not say separatist will welcome the birth of SSC state. I said there is no much you can do about a unified Darwish clan , in other words you cannot help but gradually concede all Darwish territories, and that will spell the demise of the notion of a clan state encompassing the territories of former Somaliland.

Mooge, burcoonline, taleex.com ,and now a fickle prediction of what will happen to the Taleex outcome

^^The PM is irrelevant with respect to Taleex . You must remember his take on Hiiraan will be enforced by AMISOM deployment and he knows the Dabageed and co has no legitimacy on the larger political reality of Hiiraan. I understand the concern and clannish perception so the best option for him may be silence

^^ :D You are being desperate here awoowe

lol@burcoonline.com Waryaa Somalia, the PM knows better: 3500 delegates decided their fate inline with transitional federal government. A stark contrast to few warlords riding Ethiopian tanks who upon arrival of the city spoke about regional admin