NGONGE;776800 wrote: ^^ Hope over experience again, huh? Adeer waad i daalisay ee iga daa dee. Well for a man that supports the 'Hope' separatist project (twenty plus years ), the irony is quite suffocating.... Adeer I gave you exist strategy

In the near future, some cues of how things will have changed by Taleex will be in store for NGONGE. 1- London Conference & whether SL admin participates in it or not 2- Status of the city of Lasanod 3- Relationship between UN and Khatumo It is not 'kun fa yakuun' indeed; it will be gradual and incremental. Watch the 'skeleton' as it grows meet & muscle...just admit it as you see it and don't be xasid

I would've taken NGONGE's point quite seriously had he shown similar cynicism toward the notion of Somaliland as a independent region or very close to achieving recognition.

^^Che, to the contrary Somaliland admin challenges the integrity of the country and any effort that is political in nature that could reserve that trend should be a welcome approach. If and when Somaliland accepts that it is a peaceful admin in Somalia just like Puntland does then I would understand the point you are making. As for the peace you are talking, some beg to differ given the status of laascanood and buuhoodle. proliferation of admins is a real concern but it is a one that is essentially manageable in a political framework , which i am sure will be worked out....

^^What provocation , Che?

Adeer, admit you are being confused as ever. At least folks in Hargeysa know the significance of what is happening in Taleex. That is why they resorted to war to only see their boys chased away from Buuhoodle. Khaatumo is a fitting name indeed to conclude twenty-one years of lies and delusions

Where's good NGONGE

Alshabaab are thousand times better than Ethiopia and Kenya invasions into Somali lands. Even the PM is morally forced to come out against Kenya's bombardments on Jilib yesterday . We shall never lose sight on the consequence of allowing foreign armies to invade our land. There are other security arrangement that can be had but never national armies

^^Do you really think what is taking place in Taleex is a mere clan gathering, and not a political one?

NGONGE, are you still in a mode of 'wait and see', or are you ready to fully engage with the reality that is breaking out from Taleex?

Puntland played this ball very well, so far so good. The people of SSC are having very significant gathering and Puntland needs to respect that

State of Khatumo is declared in historic Taleex The political ramifications are clear as we have pointed out before. The recent attack on Buuhoodle shows how desperate the admin in Hargeysa feels about this new development.

Almost there good NGONGE

Now SNM boys are defeated and driven back, do Oodweyne and Jacayl still think Siilaanyo's attack on Buuhoodle was a good strategy?

Congrats to the new state. Where is my friend Oodweyne

Jacaylbaro;774695 wrote: It is a dangerous but a much needed move sxb. Somaliland has done everything to keep the peace and provided the Gogosha Nabada for more than a year now. It is not a wide scale right now but it has its long term strategy for the good of Somaliland. This one is for the books ...I call it desperation, you call it good strategy , lets when the conference concludes. If anything this says you guys have lost hope and want to risk everything you have, bal aan aragno faa idaad ka maasho

oodweyne, i hear you awoowe, you want answer, but it 's been only few hours , waxay caadadood tahay inay cidaha gaadaane, raggii oo shiraya oo taleex waardiyeysanayya ood shalay nabad ka dalbatay oo ka qaadatay baad ciyaalkii iyo dumarkii usoo dabamartay , markaasaad faanaysaa

^^Taleex believe me adeer this is a sheer desperation , Siilaanyo has been crying to Ethiopia for two nights , but this time the delusion is clear for everyone. Nimanku dagaal bay rabaan, 20 sano oo been ah baa ka dhaadhacday, laakiin taariikh baysan aqoon...

This is by far is the most ****** move SNM have made since 1991...Jacaylbaro and Oodweyne know it. One thing is clear though, a new chapter for better or worse in the north has started.

:D

The problem is with Chimera to think Oodweyne is a reasonable man! Oodweyne, and to a large degree the separatist ilk is akin to dizzied bird in the sense that they don't know which logic to base their argument on. If they were to say that the resolve of our independence bid stems from the resolve and determination of our people, Chimera's water tight analysis would have a field day on such an argument not to mention the SSC reality on the ground would've made a mockery on the notion that a unified and cohesive political support across the board exist for the separatist ideology. On the other hand, if the separatist were to argue that international community are in cahoots with their project, twenty years of indifference at best and out right rejection at worst clearly contradicts that argument. That is why Oodweyne's position in writing more grammar than truth full of palpable contradictions is the most effective counter argument in defense of today's separatist polity. Of course Chimera's analysis however painful and intrusive it is to the separatist ears is the most probable outcome of this long Somali civil war. Somalia in the form of former republic is more attractive to the international community than it will be in the form of warring factions ever disputing this land or that . Which means International community will have no second thoughts on supporting a legitimate government in Mogadishu that ensures regional security (tackles piracy, terrorism etc)... The test is Oodweyne cannot tell you what is it that Hargeysa will offer to attract the full attention of the powers that be over Somalia proper

^Weli anaa meesha xukuma , maaha? Gartay awoowe. Bal car aan hadalkaa diido. Balse duurxulko waxa weeye, raggii aad xiniinyihiisa meesha ku joogtay baa shirka garwadeenka ah , marka sii joogidaadu macaga badna weeeye macnaheedu

Xaaji Xunjuf, As I wrote earlier, SSC construct is the only effective approach to the secessionist delusion, and you know it. Dadka qaarba si bay wax ku fahmaan, nimankiinaan 20 ka sano ku hayya dawlad baan nahay, tanaa laydinku dayayaa , of course when there is a reasonable government in Xamar different approaches will be adopted comprising stick and carrots to ensure you come to back to the fold. But at this time and in avoidance of bloody conflict, this is the best approach. Oodweyne , Since 2003 you have been repeating this 'international reality' that favors your separatist agenda, and accordingly we've sort of accustomed your high talk and veneer of confidence with respect of your independence prospect. But facts are facts awoowe, and as far as we know Somaliland is not closer to recognition today than it was 2003. Same exact legal, security and political challenges remain in place. In fact the opposite can be argued, meaning political realities are beginning to hit home... Tukihii haruubka qarkiisa isku taagay oo weelkii iyo biyihiiba rogay weeyee taadu, laakiin tab iyo xeel baan kuu heli ee qolkaa xunkaa iigu xirnow

This is LA, right? Where is Oodweyne?

Chimera, the notion of small Somali 'countries' living in harmony, and with security and economic agreements in a region where 80-million land locked Ethiopians border them from the North and 40-million Kenyans from the South is contradicted by the hard rock geopolitical realities of the Horn of Africa region. The choices are very clear:either accept a weak, divided Somalis ever vanishing in the sphere of influence of Ethiopia or Kenya or sit tight and determinedly work for the return of the former Republic as a starting point to offer a balance of sort in a region where odds are stacked against our kind ....