Professor's Abtigiis's enlightening article, which I posted in an earlier thread of mine on SOL, have been taken down. Perhaps I made a mistake; failing to procure the title of the post to pass the rigorous clan name restrictions the forum imposed. Read on ya SOL jamaacah. ps. I do not take the article as an indictment to any clan. Rather it is the preamble of the type of conversations Somalis need to have post transitional period.

http://wardheernews.com/Articles_12/October/Muktar/24_Inclusivity_acrimony_&_national_priority.html There are three deceptive narratives that have emerged since the takeover of Kismaayo which need to be demystified. First, if President Hassan is not intervening in the formation of a local administration for Baidoa and Beletweyne, but is concerned about the one for Kismaayo, he is not necessarily involved in duplicitous scheming. Baidoa is different to Kismaayo. There is harmony in Baidoa, there is acrimony in Kismaayo. Secondly, President Hassan can and should ask IGADD and Kenya to get their hands off the politics of Jubbaland. He is closer to Kismaayo by mandate, by law, by commonsense, than Faarax Macallin and Yusuf Haji, much as the latter may feel close to Kismaayo through kinship association. Kismaayo is part and parcel of Somalia, the same Somalia he is supposed to be its lawful President. Thirdly, the role Kenya Defence Forces are playing in Kismaayo is not the same as the one AMISOM is playing in Mogadishu. AMISOM is not involved in the governance of Mogadishu; its role is limited to security. The President’s argument that Kenya should not get involved in the governance of Kismaayo, but should help on the security front, is therefore not inconsistent with his approval of AMISOM presence in Mogadishu. Therefore, President Hassan’s fixation with inclusivity with regard to any future Jubbaland administration is sensible and legitimate. His concerns are valid. His attempt to thwart inter-clan conflict in Kismaayo is far-sighted. But while the President is clear about inclusivity, he is less so about the composition of the administration he considers inclusive. Inclusivity is not the problem. The new administration by Ahmed Madoobe also reflects nominal inclusivity. The problem is that ****** and ***** clans in the Jubba suspect that the President is driving a clan agenda and is hostile towards them. So far, the only indication that the President is pushing an anti-****** and anti-***** agenda comes from the alleged – I repeat alleged, backdoor statements of some of his key advisors, mainly the Feerfer clique. Members of the Feerfer clique in the President’s office are said to have expressed views which are unsympathetic to the claims of the ****** and the ***** over Kismaayo, particularly the ******. But rather than oppose the President’s legitimate interest in the governance of Kismaayo on the basis of speculation and guesswork, it would have been better to wait and see what the President actually means by inclusivity, and oppose it if his proposal comes out as unfair. De-Hawiya-izing Mogadishu The foregoing statements notwithstanding, the President must understand the political context and reality he is working under. Where Mogadishu is not de-Hawiya-ized, Kismaayo cannot be de-*****-ized. De-Hawiya-izing in this sense is politically, not demographically. Where Mogadishu is not a national capital by spirit and symbolism, Kismaayo cannot become an all-embracing chartered city. Nor can Garowe become one. The same way Haregisa isn’t. The same way Baidoa isn’t. By virtue of this logic, the argument that it is only those who own Kismaayo who can talk about governance of Kismaayo gets currency. Therefore, the President needs to focus on the pressing national priority of giving the national capital a veneer of national ownership. As at today, the capital city is not for all. The President must take concrete steps to give Mogadishu a political facelift before focusing on the regions. That is the first thing to do. The Hawiya-ization of Mogadishu is the casus belli for the proliferation of clan-based regionalism, which is dangerous to Somalia. The horrors of 1990s carnage in Mogadishu have not been forgotten, which means people from other regions will not invest in the reconstruction of the national capital, if Mogadishu remains a bastion of powerful clan elders who can depose any non-****** politician with the snap of their fingers. Silence about past crimes is not going to solve Somalia’s enduring clan hostilities. The President must speak out against the atrocities of the 1990s, the same way he acknowledged and implicitly apologized for the clan cleansing in Somaliland. He must condemn the philosophy that underpinned the clan wars that destroyed Somalia. And this includes the United Somali Congress’s (USC) national vandalism. Although all clan-based armed groups committed atrocities, the USC’s war tactics were particularly shocking. It openly embraced a policy of clan cleansing from the national capital, the same national capital that should have been a safe heaven to all Somalis. Therefore, it is not entirely misplaced to call the USC Somalia’s Interhamwe – if not for the scale of its atrocities, for its intentions. Its leader, General Aideed, was a hooligan politician, for bravery bereft of responsibility is nothing but hooliganism. The President must reassure people those horrors and the excesses and abuses of Siyad Barre’s dictatorial regime are gone forever. That will go a long way in reassuring the traumatized citizenry. Along with banishing the demons of the past, he must take concrete steps to instill a mentality of inclusivity when it comes to ownership of territories. And that can only start from Mogadishu. He must appoint people from other regions as governors and local administrators in Mogadishu. The start will not be easy. But, the long-run benefits of such moves will outweigh the short-term political hiccups. He must not shirk confrontation with these resilient realities, if we are to transcend the politics of clan that continues to be the bane of our nation.

Good news ...especially the Turkish involvement

History of human development has shown clan systems and identities hardly survive in a truly urban settings. As Somalia comes back up, large cities considered clannish strongholds today will inevitably transform themselves to urban centers, which in turn will depress the clannish attitudes that are prevalent today to negligible levels.

^^Lets record it indeed, AfricaOwn. And let me add this too, it will also represent a significant set back for Khatumo movement, and an unmistakable mark of defeat of Puntland's political influence in Buuhoodle. So lets all record that. But for the record it will do nothing to advance the cause of Somaliland as far as the elusive recognition is concern.

NGONGE;882289 wrote: ^^ We'll see (it'll be one hell of a coup if he did). I really think NGONGE asked the pressing question. If Xaglatoosiye sets foot in Buuhoodle while in this capacity, it will be one hell of a coup indeed for Hargeysa admin.

:D @Professor Abtigiis . This is a sequel to my interview with the good Professor few months back. http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/60581-Sit-Down-with-Professor-Abtigis-of-SOL?highlight=Interview+Professor+Abtigiis The poem had a profound conclusion: Weligoodba qolo dool ku timid ha iska daaqaanee ******[xiinfaniin], *****[Abtigiis], *****[Ducaysane] ayyaan lagula doodayane

^^the problem with you is you see H clan threat everywhere from Laascaano to Xamar to Kismayo. Your fears, my friend, are not warranted. Kismayo will do just fine , with all of its communities living peacefully together. You just need to ready yourself for that eventual outcome

The verdict is not out yet for this. But one thing is for sure: Carafaat's mischief in SOL has been effectively beaten back.

I have a feeling Ethiopians will be back on the table. Kudos for ONLF for squeezing some propaganda value out of this. I agree with North that they need to keep getting this out to the mainstream media .

Che , are you a sjui? War Awrboogays dheh ninyahow

^^ :D

NN, Combating chronic tribalism requires extreme measures . I get that part. But you cannot be so rigid with your prescriptions and still call it democratic. The political market is indeed what will restore the balance we all want and desire. There will be an Islamist party even if it is not called by that name, there will be centralist party, and a federalist party, there will be also clannish parties organized to restore the legacy of certain clans and defend the clannish majesty grand ma kitchen table talks helped create... All those should be fine , awoowe

NN, you provide platforms for parties to be formed, and that is what has been done. The political market in Puntland will determine if party based on personality or sub clannish ambition will succeed. There is no how-to tutorial for forming parties. And this party thing was in the works for a while now; it is not like Faroole just woke up and declared new rules for the game. It is those who betted on a political immaturity on Puntland's part that are most surprised...they were hoping this thing will fail in the parliament and will never survive ...

^^Perhaps it will be called the Party of Goats ...I kid I kid I am certain it will be announced soon. Faroole with all his fast tongue proved to be a different kind of politician; a federalist by necessity, a shrewd by nature, with the intention for details to win every and each squabble. His strategic move for multiparty system in Puntland, if successful, will be a catalyst for his political comeback nationally.

^^He is otherwise a very effective technocrat but in his recent political engagement , he has been very small indeed. When a shift from clannish political construct to a more democratic however primitive discourse is proposed he should have been supportive. This thing is bigger than Faroole; it is about moving away from tribal stuff that vexed us for a long time.

@"Axsaabta Qabiilka Ayaa noo Dhaama Dimoqraadiyadda" That is exactly what General Abdullaahi Samatar et all are implying when they accuse Faroole for an illegal extension. They figured it would be considerably easier to bribe the sitting representatives than to engage in the multi party system Faroole has proposed and the parliament adopted.

With that statement, Faroole captures the summit of the current arguments with respect to how to move forward in Puntland politics. There is no shortcuts to a legitimate presidency . The process is defined, and if one is genuinely interested moving the region forward, one needs to play with the rules that are set. Folks who are dominating VOA and BBC airwaves are apparently uncomfortable in accepting this challenge. They are looking for quick wins where there is none to be had. It is going to be tough and hard to put together a political party with broad appeal. But that is how to do it. You may not agree with Faroole all the time, but this one he has the better argument .

Madaxweynaha Puntland oo sheegay in ciiddii doonaysa inay ka Qayb-gasho Tartanka Madaxnimo ee Puntland ay sameysato Xisbi Arbaco, Oktoobar 17, 2012 (HOL) — Madaxwaynaha Puntland, C/raxmaan Maxamed Faroole ayaa sheegay in ciddii doonaysa inay u tartanto madaxtinimada Puntland loo baahan yahay in ay xisbi samaysato oo ay ka qaybgasho tartanka doorashada madaxtinimada. Faroole ayaa hadalkan ka sheegay degmada Eyl ee gobolka Nugaal halkasoo uu kula hadlayay boqolaal qof oo isugu soo baxay halkaasoo labadii maalmood ee lasoo dhaafay uu ku joogay socdaallo shaqo. "Ciddii doonaysa inay u tartanto madaxnimada Puntland waa inay xisbi siyaasadeed sameysato, waayo waxaa loo guurayaa hanaanka axsaabta, taasoo aan horay uga jirin Puntland," ayuu yiri madaxweynaha Puntland oo intaas ku daray in howshan ay tahay mid aan horay loo qaban. Sidoo kale, madaxweynaha Puntland wuxuu ka hadlay ammaanka iyo waxqabadka xukuumadiisa, isagoo sheegay in howlwadeennada maamulkiisa ay intooda badan yihiin dad dhallinyaro ah oo aqoon leh, isagoo xusay inay horumarro badan kusoo kordhiyeen Puntland. "Ammaanka Puntland waa mid wanaagsan, waayo shacabka iyo ciidamadu waxay si wadajir ah uga shaqeeyeen sidii ammaanka loo adkeyn lahaa... goobaha khatarta badani ay ka jiri jirtay waxaa ka mid ah Gaalkacyo maantana waa nabad," ayuu yiri madaxweynaha Puntland, Cabdiraxmaan Faroole. Hadalka madaxweyanha Puntland ayaa wuxuu kusoo beegmayaa xilli lagu wado inay sannadka soo socda ee 2013-da ka dhacaaan 21-ka degmo ee Puntland ay ka kooba tahay doorashooyinka golaha deegaanka. Xisbiyada siyaasadeed ee is-diiwaangeliya ayaa tartankaas ka qaybqaadan doona, iyadoo asxaabtu ay ku tartami doonaan kuraasta golayaasha deegaanka, iyadoo ay ka dhici doonaan deegaannadaas tartamo kale oo ku baarlamaanka Puntland ah. Madaxweynaha Puntland, C/raxmaan Faroole ayaa xilka madaxweynimo ee Puntland ku guuleystay sanadkii 2009, kaddib markii uu tartan la galay murashaxiin fara badan oo isku soo taagay qabashada xilka madaxnimo ee Puntland. Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiiraan Online maxuseen@hiiraan.com Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

I think people agree on more than they disagree these days ...the need for Jubbooyinka admin is obvious .

Actually Somalis have turned a page considerably so than most of us would appreciate . Kismayo admin set up talks is well underway ...as to Kenya and its involvement, when a country hosts close to 1 million, influential plus 2 more million with the same ethnic background, it is not surprising that country is trying to influence and bring that leverage to bear... Kenya is operating within the AMISOM framework, which is much better than Ethiopian's in Baydhabo and Beledweyne who refused to wear the AMISOM hats.

^^I would rather quit and concede like you hinted few posts above : D Chimera is armed with facts , overwhelming data---add his innocence and you would realize how difficult it is to beat the man

Sanad guuradii 58-aad ee maalinta calanka Qaranka oo maanta ku beegan 1954-2012 Print here| By: allgedo.com: Friday, October 12, 2012 // u Jawaab Maanta oo ah 12kii Oktoober 2012 kuna beegan sannad guuraddii 58aad ee helida astaanta calanka qaranimadda soomaaliyeed, nasiib wanaag xuskani wuxuu ku soo beegmay xili ifafaalihii dowladnimo u dhalatay shacabka soomaaliyeed, taasoo la rajeynaayo in ay soo af jarmaan colaaddii iyo amaano daraddii dalka ka jirtay oo ay aad iyo aad u adkeyd in dadka dhibaateysan in la gaarsiyo gargaar deg deg isla markaasi na waxaa laga filayaa barlamaanka cusub inuu noqdo kuwa u adeega shacabka soomaaliyeed waxaana looga baahan yahay in ay ka fogaadaan wax alla wixii khilaaf keeni kara taasoo guud ahaan dan u ahayd dadka dan yarta ah ee ku nool dalka gudahiisa iyo kuwa ku dac dareysan dibaddaba. Haddaba waxaan hambalyo iyo boogaadinba halkaani ugu soo gudbinayaa Madaxweynaha cusub Prof Xassan Sheekh Maxamuud iyo Raiisul wasaaraha muddan Cabdi Faarax Shirdoon (Saacid) iyo guddoomiyaha barlamaanka Prof. Maxamed Osman Jawaari iyo ku xigeenadiisa iyo dhamaan xildhibaanadda barlamaanka soomaaliyeed, waxaana ku boorinayaa in xilka culus ay shacabka soomaaliyeed u hayaan inuu ilaahay waafajiyo waddada xaqa ah isla markaana noqdaan kuwiii maamulka dowladda oo shacabka ku aaminay in ay ku hogaamiyaan cadaaladd iyo sinaan iyo midnimo, kana fogaadaan musuqmaasuq,qabyaaladda, dulmi iyo lax jacleysi, sidaasi darted waxaa looga baahan yahay in ay ka shaqeeyaan horumarinta iyo dib u dhiska dalka iyagoo wax waliba ay ka hormariyaan maslaxadda guud ee dadka iyo dalka soomaaliyeed, waxaan aaminsanahay haddii la helo maamul hufan oo xalaal ah in laga bixi doono dhibaatadda dalka muddada dheer ku jiray, lana gaari doono horumar iyo barwaaqo. Sida la wada ogsoon yahay calan walba wuxuu taagan yahay ama astaan u yahay qaranimadda dalka uu leeyahay, calankeena buluuga (cirka oo kale ah) iyo xiddigta cad ee dhexda kaga taala waxay astaan u tahay jiritaanka ummadda soomaaliyeed oo isticmaarka u qayb qaybiyey shan qaybood. Calanka soomaaliyeed oo ah astaan aad iyo aad u qurux badan markii ugu horeysay oo taariikhda ahayd 12 Oktoober 1954 ayaa la soo saaray, waxaana alifay ilaahay ha u naxriistee marxuum Maxamed Cawaale Libaan. Alla ha u naxriistee Maxamed Cawaale Libaan oo ahaa wadani ah aragtidiisa ay fogtahay , isla markaasina soomaalinimada ay ku weyntahay, xiligaagi na wuxuu ahaa guddoomiyiha ururka shaqalaha soomaaliyeed wuxuuna ku micneeyey calanka sida tan hoos ku qoran: Xiddigta cad ee bartamaha kaga taala calanka qaranka soomaaliyeed waxay xambarsan tahay micno weyn oo ah soomaal weyn waxaa loo yaqaanaa xidigta midnimada shacabka Soomaaliyeed. waxeyna mideyneysaa gobolada ay Gumeystayaashii reer yurub ay u kala qeybiyeen 5 qaybood oo kala: Koonfurta soomaaliya oo xiligaasi gacanta ku haayey dalka Talyaaniga, waqooyi galbeed , soomaali galbeed oo hadda itoobi ay ka tirsan tahay gacanta ugu jirto iyo waqooyi bari N.F.D oo hadda heysato Kenya, xiligaasi ganacta ay ugu jirtay dowladda Ingriiska iyo Djabouti oo xiligaasi maamulaayey dowladda Franciiska, midibka cadka ahna wuxuu ku micneeyey nabadgalyo , buluuga na wuxuu ku tilmaamay barwaaqadda dalkeena uu leeyahay. Markii uu soo bandhigay ururka SYL iyo kuwa mucaadka ah ba dood dheer ka dib waxaa la isku waafay muxaafid iyo mucaaridba calanka uu soo ban dhigay Maxamed Cawaale Libaan, hase yeeshee markii loo geeyey maamulkii talyaaniga ayaa diiday oo ku tilmaamay inuu egyahay calanka dalka Zair sidaasi darted aan la ogoleen calan dal leeyahay in la qaato, hase yeeshe Maxamad Cawaale liibaan wuxuu Ku dhiiraday oo Talyaaniga u sheegay in labada calan aanay isku mid ahayn sababtoo ah Calanka (Zaire) xiddigta ku dhextaal waa mid dahab huruud ah, sidaasi darteed maamulkii xafiiska basaabka ee Muqdisho waa ogolaaday in la qaato calanka buluug ah xiddigta cad dhexda kaga taala. Halgan dheer ka dib ummadda soomaaliyeed waxay ku guuleysatay una suurta gashay in ay yeelato calan aad iyo aad u qurux badan, kaasoo ka tarjumaya jiritaanka iyo himiladda ummadda soomaaliyeed oo ah in la helo soomaali weyn oo mideysan “Pan Somalism.” Calanka qaranka soomaaliyeed oo maanta 58 sano jirsaday, wuxuu ku yimid halgan adag oo loo soo galy, halgankaasoo ay hogaanka u hayeen dhallinyaraddii soomaaliyeed xisbigii SYL kuwaas ka soo horjeday ama diidanaa gumeysiga iyo gumeysi kalkaalayaasha. Waxaan jaclahay in aan si koob u xus halgankii gobonimadoonka soomaaliyeed iyadoo maanta loo dabaal degaayo 58 guuraddii astaanta calanka u ah qaranimadda shacabka soomaaliyeed, waxaan jacalahay dhallinyaradda qurbaha ku dhallatay iyo kuwa dagaalkii sokeeye ka dib dhashay ee ku nool dalka in ay fahmaan dhibaatadda xanuunka badan loo soo maray xornimadda maanta aynu haysano, runtii xornimadaasi kuma aysan imaanin si fudud balse waxaa loo soo maray halgan adag oo dhiig fara badan loo daadiyey, sidaasi darteed waxaa loo bahan yahay in dhallinyaradda maanta jira in ay ku daysadaan doorkii wax ku oolka lahaa ee dhallinyaraddii soomaaliyeed ka soo qayb qaadatay xornimadda. Dhalllinyaro ka kooban 13 , waxaa u suurta gashay markii ugu horeeyey taariikhduna ahayd Bishii May 15, 1943 kii in ay abaabulaan urur dhallinyaro gobannimo doon ah oo la magac baxay S.Y.C Somali Youth Club oo aan siyaasi ahayn. Xisbigii S.Y.C. ahaa wuxuu isku beddelay urur weyn oo siyaasi ah lana magac baxay S.Y.L. Somali Youth League, ururkaasi waxaa albaabadda loo furay taariikhdu markii ay ahayd May 15, 1947-kii kaasoo go’aansaday halgan siyaasadeed oo gobannimo doon ah, sidii loo gaarsiin lahaa shacabka soomaaliyeed xornimo taam ah. Waxaa xusid mudan 11.01.1948-dii waxay ahayd maalin xamaasad weyn leh taasoo ahayd tii ugu xoog badneyd uguna caansaneyd, sababtoo ah waxaa dhacaayey gudoonkii Aayaha Ummadda Soomaaliyeed, Maanlintaasi oo ay dhaceen dagaalo ba’an oo ay ku dhinteen 52 Talyaani ah iyo kuwa kale. Maantaasi waxaa dalka ku sugnaa guddigii ka socday 4-ta dowladdood ugu xoog weyn ee adduunka oo ku guuleystay dagaalkii labaad ee Addunka kan koobnaa, dowladda Mareynka Mr. Utter, dowladda Ingriiska Mr. Stafford, dowladda Ruushka Mr. Feodorof iyo dowladda Faransiiska Mr. Burin Des Rosier. Guddigaasi oo ka socday 4-tii dowladood waxaa u suurta gashay maalintii ay bishu ahayd 20-kii Janaayo 1948 in ay la kulmaan xisbigii SYL iyo xisbigii HYC (Hamar Youth Club) oo ay isku mabada’ahaayeen ururka SYL iyo axsaabtii mucaadka ahayd oo ku bahoobay daladda “umbrella” la magac baxday Patriotic Beneficient. Kuwaasoo ka koobnaa todoba urur oo yar yar . Guddigii markii ay dhageysteen doodihii faraha badanaa ee halkaasi laga soo jeediyey, waxaa u cadaatay in xisbiga SYL iyo HYC ay haystaan taageeradda shacabka soomaaliyeed, taasoo ay la yaabeen qabkii iyo hanaankii ay u soo agaasimeen warbixinadaasi oo soo jiidatay guddigaasi, waxayna balan qaadeen in ay u gudbin doonaan Jamaciyadda Qaruumaha ka dhaxeysa. Taariikhda markii ay ahayd Oktoober 12.10.1954-kii shacbka soomaaliyeed u suurto gashay in ay hanato calanka buluuga ah ee sharafta badan oo aan maanta aanu ku fano. Abwaakii Cabdullahi Qashe heestiisi calanka oo ah: Qolobaa calankeedu waa ceynoo, innaga keenu waa cirkoo kale e…..Taasoo abaalkeedu ay leeyihiin dhallinyaraddii u soo halgantay xornimada maanta aynu harsaneyno. Haddaba waxaan kula dardaarmayaa masuulinta dowladda uu hooseedka ka yahay madaxweyne Prof. Xassan Sheekh Maxamuud iyo maamulka guud ee dowladda in ay dib u soo celiso sharaftii calanka iyo qarannimadii ummadda Soomaaliyeed. Waxaan halkaani dhambaal hambalyo ah u soo gudbinayaa dhamaan bahweynta Soomaaliyeed meel kasta oo ay joogaan, waxaana u rajaynayaa bashbash iyo barwaaqo. ————– Abukar Awale, London/UK.

^^You misunderstood the concept of troll...you are overdoing it Carafaat

^^Ok Carafaat