Good one, Professor Abtigiis!! As often was the case in those days, Ali Dhuux came charging in defense of ***** Clan Majesty. He cut to the noise , and delivered one of the most memorable lines in Somali poetry: Har-t-i maxaad ku geleysaa , haddii horor Ilaah keenay

These are very painful details , but when put in the larger context , president Hassan is responsible in stirring the Kismayo crisis. As I said before there were other delegates from Mogadishu who visited Kismayo with no trouble at all. The reaction you see is a direct result of president's intent to abort the initiative that is underway...hence the embarrassment

Carafaat and co stop the nonsense , ya jamacatul enshiqaaq wa tafarroq The president is not HAG, he is an elected leader of Somalia, He won by land slide and has a legitimate authority to lead the nation based on the political framework upon which he was elected. We will call him out when he is out of step of the very framework, our support of his legitimacy and authority is not in question. So easy with HAG conspiracy

NGONGE, making noise is a necessary component of politics. But the problem is not about certain group making political noise. The problem is president's misplaced priorities. What happened yesterday was national embarrassment, and the president is responsible. When he acted presidential sent former defense minister and his chief of staff few weeks back, the city welcomed them. But when he acted small and politicized teh whole thing, with Ali Ameeriko issuing daily threats from Nairobi against the Jubba initiative, the result is a spectacular failure.

Ha ku dhicin dabinka website yada, madaxweynaha waftigiisa ooy hoggaaminayeen taliyaha ciidan ka iyo wasiirkii hore a gaashindhiga baa Kismayo dhowr asbuuc ka hor tegay. Soo sawiradooda ma aadan arag iyagoo dekeda iyo magaaladaba jooga? Waxa hadda dhacay wa waxaan maqaalka ka qoray, waa hawl siyaasadaysan, waana dabin ee Xasan haka boodo ama haku dhaco

Xaaji Xunjuf, madaxweynuhu fursad taariikhii ah buu haystay, welina waa haystaa, runtii fajac bay igu tahay asagoonba xamar meel dhigin in uu arrinta Kismayo oo 20 sano hal xiraale ahayd uu haweysto... waa ka quustay ma dhihi karo , laakiin ninku ma micna badna haddii sidaani run ka tahay

NGONGE, So now we are unto semantics , the meaning of home , eh? Adeer home is where my family is, my children go to school, where I live and work. So you can see where I was going with that...but I am sure that is not what brought my Northern brothers to this post

Xaaji Xunjuf;886835 wrote: Xiinfaniin i like how you spin things it makes it hard to shadow you particularly for the likes of Abwaan who have a hard time to go through ur arguments. And who wale consistently about Somalinimo as if that's going solve the matter. But let me continue for a second and and remind you of a few facts President hassan sheikh Mahamuud the President of Somalia has the mandate and the obligation to secure and uphold and protect the nation of Somalia and its citizens which includes Kismayo. What Xiinfaniin and others forget to mention is they wish and want Kismayo to remain a unincorporated area free from the Somali government but the question is why ? The nature that is driving Xiinfaniin is not entirely just clan or the clan state but its deeper it has its roots in state building but unintentionally the process is going not to undermine the legitimacy of the President but his political ambitions of nation building and establishing state institutions and the development of capable defense forces in the country.What some politicians want is a more traditional techniques of diplomatic and political mediation which will buy time for the clan federalists and Shabaabists and Hassan doesn't have that time.The basic level of what what a post conflict country should try to achieve in a short period of time is the continuation of reconciliation process but at the same time avoid being like a dysfunctional country being dictated by mere junior politicians in IGAD.Somalia should not place is self in that situation it should pursuit its own national interest but not alone it needs its people its cities and its resources. The Presidents main task is state-building, and the development of national institutions. The ground level is what dysfunctional states or quasi-states want to achieve in the long term, is expanding the state scope and being able to create institutions that provides basic functionality and to expand its territorial control and its influence. And to use its resources and human resources to strengthen its position.In Somalia this not the case at the moment when we have people shouting the president cant talk about our village or creating bantustans in south central Somalia will halt the political process and stability of Somalia to return from the ashes. The security of the country from both external and internal actors right now internal actor with the support of an external factor Amisom Kenya, the objective of the president is to secure that law and order in the. civil society is maintained across Kismayo the juba regions and south an central Somalia which is crucial for the Presidents power base something xiinfaniin wishes to take away from him. The main ultimate goal in this phase is not merely to provide.basic services for the citizens of the country that's priority number 2 , but to ensure that the state is self-sustained in its capacity to govern Somalia a war torn nation. Somalidu waxay tidha xaq lama rabe eeh xal ba la raba. . Marka xaaji xunfuf waraaqahan oo kale qoro , xaaladdu meel xun bay ka degenaysaa

Rahima, is that you? Maashaa Allaah , welcome back. The argument I am making is simple , and I believe, is the correct one. The president is well advised to defuse the situation and act presidential. The issue of Kismayo is not new, I find the current initiative the most reasonable one. Local clans getting together to set up an admin is a good thing. Kenyan troops is an issue , not denying there, but so are all other foreign troops that are stationed in Somalia. I remember how Abdiqasim lost it. It was because of Kismayo . Hassan is headed on the wrong direction.

^^Ducaysane, it is not that Jubbaland is at risk of being halted , but the point that is being made in these boards is larger than that. It is like this: if the post transitional president selected few months ago, is so fiercely opposed to the notion of federal states coming into being while in fact the very political framework his authority rests on is federalism, then the hopes of Somalis to move the country forward may be dashed---and sadly so.

^^ :D The great Ing. Cadde has spoken

Xaaji Xunjuf, ayaamahan sidaad Saleebaan Xaglatoosiye u iibsatayba xiniinyahaagu bannaankay ahaayeen adeer, Abwaan ma macno badna, waxay kaga dhegtay xiinfaniin anaa u jeedoo waa qabiiliiste , ama soomaalinamaduu ikasoo horjeeda. su'aaala cilmiyaysan baan weydiiyey, waxaan iri war shalay maxaa lagu heshiiyey, mise sheekadii 1990 gii baad waddaa. Weliba maqaalkan qoray nasteexuu ahaa... Madaxweynahan Kismayo laga celin la'yahay asagoonba dawladiisii weli la dhaarin, soo najjaaso ma rimana

Go away adeer, you are not adding any value to this discussion other than Xiinfaniin waa qabiiliste

I am not convinced that the president has a good intentions on Kismayo. Good news is he will not be effective. As for charcoal, it is very simple proposition: there are already burnt, ready-to-export charcoal in the tunes of $30 million. IGAD, on behalf of Kisamyo merchants, is proposing cashing this money since the burning has already taken place. It is a question of efficiency, and correct course of action. No one is advocating the continuation of charcoal trade.

^^Adeer you have no center. The problem with you is that you are over the board: you are not with Hassan or Saacid, yet you are here attempting to argue with me on the question of Kismayo. You think xiinfaniin is many while in reality he is only one online persona. You speak of Somalinimo while you support delegation led by Indhacadde and Goobaale . You supported the roadmap, yet after Hassan's win , you think federalism is not important. Waa wareernay awoowe My argument is simple , and not at all confusing, the president needs to stay away from Kismayo just like he is with respect to Gaalkacyo. If he tries to get in the way of the Kismayo initiative, he will have squandered a great opportunity to move Somalia forward. On the other hand your argument is to say xiinfaniin is qabiilist , and is against soomaalinimo

^^Mar marka qaarkood saad u joogto baad geedo isku xoqdaa. Cuqdado aad iska dhaadhicay baa malaha jiree Saacid saldanadiisa cidina kama xuma. Waxaa laga yaabaa inaad is lahayd dadbaa caroon doonaa markii Saacid madax laga dhigo. Ilaa hadda ma arag cid caraysan awoowe, beenna maaha. Arrinka aan ka hadlaynaa waa ka weyn yahay jago la magacaabo, waa qadiyad muhiim u ah, dawladda cusubi ku qanacsantahay hannaanka Soomaali ku heshiisay iyo in kale. Waxaa muuqatta in guux qabali ahi jiro ee Xasan hoos ka riixaya ...

If these reports are true, and they seem to be consistent , the president lost this matter. I think he underestimates the resolve of the local clans and communities to see this admin come to fruition. Clearly he is getting a bad counsel .

Somalia: Kismayo authorities deport unannounced Mogadishu delegation 7 Nov 7, 2012 - 11:32:35 PM KISMAYO, Somalia Nov 7 2012 (Garowe Online) – A delegation consisting of Somali government and security authorities from Mogadishu who unexpectedly arrived in Kismayo were deported from airport, Garowe Online reports. According to Kismayo authorities, an eight-member delegation that was sent by President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud without notification was deported from Kismayo airport on Wednesday by Kismayo authorities. The delegation included AMISOM Spokesman Col. Ismail Hamud former Jubba Valley Alliance (JVA) militia leader Col. Mohamed Roble Goobaale, and other officials. Col. Goobaale, under the political leadership of Col. Barre Adan Hiraale and Col. Abdullahi Sheikh Ismail, is alleged of committing war crimes during the seven-year when bloody clashes over control Kismayo occurred. In early 2007, the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) drove the JVA out of Kismayo. According to government sources, the delegation was sent to Jubaland regions to investigate the resurging charcoal trade in Kismayo, which has been banned by the Somali government and UN Security Council resolutions. A journalist delegation of 10 Somali and foreign journalists that accompanied the Mogadishu delegation was left stranded at Kismayo airport after they failed to get a return flight to Mogadishu. Kismayo authorities stated that they were disappointed that neither the President nor his government notified authorities in Kismayo about the visit by the delegation, which President Hassan assigned earlier this week. The delegation from Mogadishu was expected earlier this week but cancelled on two different occasions before arriving in Kismayo on Wednesday. According to local sources, authorities in Kismayo did not welcome President Hassan’s nomination of former militia leaders – who are alleged to have committed war crimes in Kismayo in the past – as the investigating committee into the charcoal allegations. Some Kismayo residents told local media that the local administration's decision to deport the Mogadishu delegaion was consistent with the local people's right and aspirations to form an inclusive state administration that is representative of local clans. According to Kismayo authorities, the original delegation included Yusuf Mohamed Said Inda’ade a former warlord who has a record of brutalizing local populations in Lower Shabelle region in the early 2000s. Government analysts, who spoke to GO on condition of anonmity, believe the issues that the Somali Federal Government has to tackle is larger than a return of the charcoal trade in Kismayo and local officials say the Somali government is intereferring in the local process to establish Jubaland administration, in line with the Provisional Federal Constitution of Somalia. Analysts suggest that there is friction between President Hassan’s government and the Jubaland state process being led by Kismayo local leaders and facilitated by IGAD regional bloc that has also been supported by the Kenyan government. “I believe that President Hassan desires to be very involved in the state formation of Jubaland and could be a blunder for his government if handled incorrectly,” said Mohamed Jama an analyst of Somali politics. The Jubaland state process began during the Transitional Federal Government's (TFG) tenure months ago and was supported by Roadmap signatories who signed the Provisional Federal Constitution of Somalia promotes the formation of federated states such as Jubaland.

For Ayoub: http://www.puntlandpost.com/gaasow-gaas-ha-ku-shubin-puntland-xil-xuseen-khaliif/

So there is some truth to the story after all. Abwaan, what say you awoowe? This is very interesting development

Wafdi kasocday Dowladda Soomaaliya iyo AMISOM oo loo Diiday in ay Gudaha u Galaan Kismaayo Arbaco, November 07, 2012 (HOL) —Wafdi kasocday dowladda Soomaaliya iyo AMISOM islamarkaasina kasoo kicitimay magaalada Muqdisho ayaa loo diiday in ay gudaha u galaan magaalada Kismaayo ee xarunta gobolka Jubada Hoose. Wafdigan oo isugu jiray Saraakiil ciidamada dowladda iyo kuwa AMISOM iyo saxafiyiin ayaa markii ay gaareen garoonka magaalada Kismaayo waxa u yimid saraakiil katirsan ciidamada Kenya ee ku sugan garoonka Kismaayo, waxayna ku wargeliyeen in ay dib ugu laabtaan diyaaradihii keenay. Mid kamid ah saxafiyiintii wafdiga la socotay oo warbaahinta lahadlay ayaa sheegay in diyaaradda ay markii hore keentay saxafiyiinta kadibna ay dib ulaabatay oo ay soo qaaday xubno isugu jira dowladda Soomaaliya iyo AMISOM, wuxuuna intaa ku daray in loo diiday in ay gudaha u galaan magaalada, kadib markii saraakiisha Kenya ay sheegeen in wafdiga uusan ahayn mid imaatinkiisa laga warqabay islamarkaasina aysan damaanad qaadi karin ammaankooda. Wafdigan ayaa waxa kamid ah xubno madaxweeynaha Soomaaliya uu usoo magacaabay in ay qiimeyn kusoo sameeyaan xaaladda Kismaayo iyo weliba dhuxusha laga dhoofinayo dekedda. Qaar kamid ah saxafiyiintii wafdiga la socday ayaa la sheegay in ilaa imika ay ku xayiranyihiin garoonka magaalada Kismaayo kadib markii ay ka buuxsantay diyaaraddii qaadi lahayd, waxayna saraakiisha Kenya ee garoonka ku sugan u sheegeen in aysan masuul ka ahayn ammaankooda. Ilaa imika ma jiraan masuuliyiin katirsan maamulka Kismaayo iyo kan dowladda Soomaaliya oo faahfaahin ka bixiyay arinta la xiriirta wafdiga maanta dib looga celiyay garoonka Kismaayo. Wafdigan ayaa marar badan ka baaqday safar uu ku imaan lahaa magaalada Kismaayo, arintaasoo loo aaneynayo khilaaf mudooyinkii u danbeeyay soo shaacbaxayay oo ka dhashay maamul u sameynta Jubooyinka oo u dhexeeya dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya iyo maamulka KMG ee degmada Kismaayo.

^^Haatu, I support the roadmap, the framework on which Somalia came out of transition. I don't support individuals, I support approaches. Somalia is not strong enough, reconciliation not deep enough, and mistrust amongst communities not overcome yet, hence any centralist approach is not going to work. We have four years to prepare , and ratify the constitution. Kismayo is an interesting case, where clan dynamics and ideology overlap , he would be best advised to steer clear and not get in the way. As of you changing sides , that is not new ...vacillation has been the mark .

NGONGE muxuu yiri ?

NGONGE, Gaas is coming back (at least that is info I have) , and it is the right thing to do. You are falling for a video clip. The only thing that is newsworthy in that clip is the fact (and I lamented this) Professor Gaas demoted himself to a local politician. Professor Gaas call for more transparency will no doubt put a pressure on Faroole , but the timing of his call and the background story that prompted him to do so makes it a bit ineffective.

I really don't think this reporting is true.