Daqane;917092 wrote: That there was clan cleansing in 1992 is no doubt and in 1988 in northern somalia and in 2006 in mogadishu, your peoples blood is niether sweeter or more precious than the others, if the author is talking crap or fadhi-ku-diriir it is the same crap we have all been hearing for the past 21 years as well from the mouths of keyboard jockeys such as your self, as for the houses, provide documents and go claim them as almost all reer waqooyi are doing in xamar right now... instead of moaning all over the net or holding clan confrences, with senile T.B ridden old men miles away from the properties you claim. Come N' get it, miyaa ? Adduunyo

^^Aamiin. The civil war experience is still raw. That is why I am a bit taken by president's Hassan's lack of clear understanding of what drives the Kismayo issue. What happened between Mogadishu and Kismayo and the towns and villages in between was a massacre of a historic proportion. Somalis need not dwell on it, but it must be not repeated again ---the form of government Somalis choose, and the dispensation and distribution of power should be thought long and hard...

Talyaan koofiyad weynow, dabadeed aad kulantoo , kadabkii shubatee, Keenadiid mawadaa ?

Horseed has transitioned from a mainstream Puntland media outlet to an opposition mouthpiece. This particular publication if true would be a desperate act from their part.

LOL @qofki dab lee ku dheelo lee gubto... Khadafi, This will come down to the following choice (in my opinion) : Either empower the Somali government and allow it to arm itself, or further empower AMISOM and EGAD countries to develop more leverage militarily in the country. There are clear risks in both; but I chose the first.

^^I agree with Oodweyne. The notion that a president runs parliamentarian election, outlines a political platform and achieves victory only to hire some obscure person from academia or business, and then that obscure pm rises in stature and power and challenges the president who hired him in the first place is (and has been) a recipe for dysfunctional system. The president won with a clear, 6-point program , and he deserves to implement his political program in the next four years within the existing political and legal structure. I may oppose some of the president policies/tone , but I sure like the absence of in-fighting in this government. EDIT: The PM post must remain a subordinate role for the ELECTED president. If one is looking for a counter balance to the president's power, the speaker and his parliament must provide that equilibrium.

^^LOL That is classic NGONGE. EDIT: I think you simplify too much

Misleading title. But I for one agree with the objective of lifting the embargo. Somalia needs to stand on its own feet and rebuild its security capacity. Mistrust among political stakeholders shall never get in the way of acheiving that bigger national interest.

Gabal, You must realize that I do not buy your effort to sound deep and in the-know. Time has rather proven you wrong many a times. Hassan Sheekh is my president and I wish him success to move Somalia forward. However, as a citizen (remember I am not a separatist ), I do have the right to criticize the man, especially when he seems confused about the fundamental challenges facing him. Somalia still has multiple stakeholders Somaliland, and Puntland included. He sounds nice and reasonable , but his policy actions like the one today in appointing a regional governor for Baydhabo go against the spirit of the political framework upon which he was elected to lead. So ours is a constructive critique. As for Puntland, I think by now you know that Puntland is a political reality that cannot be wished away. No amount of envy or cuqdad can change that reality awoowe. Whether its political position is sustainable or not remains to be seen. Unlike our brothers in the North , Puntland is heavily invested in the revival of Somalia. It's political weight hinges on how the constitution is upheld. It will remain a loyal opposition to any effort slightly perceived as anti Federal.

Oodweyne is an ideologue ---he is resisting the apparent change. The view of the west and those in the know has always been that the Somali conflict is political in nature. It was the political conflict that complicated the situation and created untenable security problem not only for Somalia, but for the region and for the wider world. The road map and the federal framework was conceived to address the political issue. As long Hassan adheres to the security counsel approved political framework despite his community's resistance, the west regards the Somali conflict settled. Somaliland was expected all along to fall in line. Disappointment awaits for those expecting Somalia to be broken up to satisfy what is essentially a political grievance in the North.

Eng. Cadde, you got jokes waryaa. I am not saying anything. I agree with the editorial, which aptly captured the subtext of current political discourse. Is gaabi waryaa , meesha caqlaa socdee

Great interview ...

^^I heard he already announced on Universal TV he is going there , Haatu. Another analysis from Michael Does Washington understand the consequences for domestic Somali political actors of its apparent decision to cast its lot with the S.F.G. in a fundamental constitutional conflict? To repeat, for the moment it has weakened Somaliland and Puntland relative to the S.F.G., and has given the S.F.G. an IOU. It is likely that the U.S. is not attending to the effects of its decision on the power distribution among Somali actors; it is interested in “normalizing” relations with “Somalia” so that it can back away from the country and let drones and special forces take care of the “war on terror.” Somalia is already being written down and written off as a “success story” and even a model, as attention turns to Mali. Yet the fundamental political conflicts in the territories of post-independence Somalia are far from resolved. The outlook for the future is more clouded than ever. http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Analysis/Somalia_Political_Effects_of_U_S_Recognition_of_the_Somali_Federal_Government.shtml

^^LOL I think what the president needs to do is clear the air from this growing suspicion about his stance with respect to federalism by openly supporting the Kismayo initiative and going to Garowe .

^^Thanks for the link , Mintid. I read it and I agree this is a measured piece.

Where did they publish the policy paper? Daqane's email? Source please.

oba hiloowlow;915662 wrote: ma diidani anigu xaq is xaq Case is closed. Oba agrees with SomaliPage's editorial. I think the editorial is referring to towns like Baraawe , Oba.

^^Well put. This editorial is spot on. The president needs to listen and adopt the steps outlined above.

However, part of the confusion is deliberately driven by a much sinister political motivation stemming from deep seated disagreement on the political settlement terms, which federal Somalia espouses. This disagreement could not be illustrated better in the passionate political discourse Kismayo initiative triggered. The Kismayo initiative exposes the political Achilles’ heels of current federal leadership. The President, though he lately attempted to clarify the matter, spoke too early on the Kismayo issue. His government seems to be sending conflicting messages with respect to this matter: on a one hand, the government announces an initiative to set up (not coordinate) local administrations in South Central regions, an initiative led by the Interior minister, and on the other hand, the government proclaims the right of local people to establish local administration in accordance with the federal charter. This contradiction is a remarkable manifestation of how civil war experience in the south still poses a real risk to derail the progress made last year in Mogadishu. For if local initiatives such as Kismayo are aborted on the basis of an ‘enemy’ clan would gain a significant political foothold in the south, then the very political framework upon which President Hassan was elected would be aborted and de-legitimized. And that would be a significant setback from the political progress made in the last few years. Surely the current federal government cannot wish away civil war experiences and its effect on the political and social contours of the contemporary Somali society. Therefore, instead of glossing over these raw experiences, the federal government must face the challenge and work toward healing them. President Hassan’s recent oblique political maneuverings/statements do not help create the level of support and confidence his government so badly needs. A forceful and strong clarification to address the lingering clannish undertone with respect to federalism is required from the federal leadership. Hence it is imperative that the President articulates a political program that 1) affirms the legitimacy of the current federal framework, 2) ensures the territorial integrity of the country, 3) acknowledges the civil war experience and the need for reconciliation, 4) addresses the issues of looted property, farms and, in some cases, towns, 5) nurtures a political environment conducive for conflict resolution and confidence building among Somali people i.e. local governance, equitable resource and power sharing at the federal level, and finally 6) ensures the return, and the resettlement, of Somali refugees in distant, foreign camps.

http://www.somalipage.com/2013/02/748/

I was listening outgoing secretary of State in a Sunday show describing Somalia's development as a success story. Hassan has a huge opportunity to move the country forward.

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2013/Feb/wararka_maanta4-20770.htm

Gradually lift the arms embargo ...Somalia needs to build the capacity of its arm forces.

^^Poor explanation, Mintid. But this is a bit hard to explain away. In fact there is an active Embassy in Mogadishu as we speak. Foreign Secretary has been to Mogadishu last year. British presence in Somalia has been increasing, not decreasing, Mintid. Same goes to Oodweyne. I am done speculating...Oodweyne has stopped playing the analysis game here in this fora. He is reduced to lash out against Siilaanyo adim on a one hand, and hold the forte for the notion of separation from Somalia on the other hand...a difficult balancing act that cannot be sustained in the long run.

^^Not really. You guys are predictable. I don't believe the Brits are issuing this alert due to a real intelligence on the ground showing a credible alshabaab threat in Hargeysa. It is rather an expectation that your politics may spin out of control a bit. The framework to realign you back to the real world I am sure is in place. But there has been a long understanding between successive administrations in Somaliland and IC ...apparently the IC found that understanding inadequate to interact with the new political reality in Somalia. Consequently, understandable disappointments from those in the top of the admin may translate into street voilance ...a reasonable expectation , dont you say Oodweyne? If that is way off of an analysis...you owe me an explanation as to why the rest of Somalia where terror infrastructure has been built in the last 6 years has not been impacted by this security alert.