Meesha horta ma maqaayad baa? lol@ waar dee ma fadhiisanayo!

Such skirmishes do a great disservice to the secessionist agenda Silanyo wants to sell the western powers. Silanyo will do well NOT to be labeled a political spoiler in this point and time in Somalia.

Let the blame game begin..

Maaddeey, weli ma nooshahay? Waxaan moodaw mar hore inaad is qarxiseyee..

Stuff and nonsense.

Xaaji Xunjuf;916158 wrote: .... Also the brits never said that they want Somaliland and Somalia to be one country they never ever said that. You are 100% correct Senor Xaaji: The Brits never said that, and that's because the Brits do not recognize Somaliland as an independent country. Now, enough with all these trite platitudes!

^ Oodka, someone earlier called you an ideologue. But I would add that you're, in fact, a radical ideologue like Godane of a failed philosophy, and like him your days are numbered. Oodeyne, sir, he who pays the piper calls the tune. Silaanyo, in as much as he might not like to disappoint his deluded base, has no option. Unfortunately for him, the west do not care for the split up of Somalia and since they pay the funds that run Silaanyo's government they will direct him to do their bidding, whichever way they so choose. And it's plain to see that they have chosen in this point in time to respect the unity and territorial integrity of Somalia. I am NOT naive, neither should you be: If the West believed Somaliland's independence was in their interest, which is ultimately all they care about, then I'm sure bahashu waa hore bey duuli laheyd You keep talking about Independence, yet you're too blind to see the only thing in between you and your coveted goal is your dependence, addiction and reliance on western financial aid. Be bold, and seek alternative sources of revenue to run your government! For as long as you remain pitiable supplicants to western donors, they will always retain the right to set the political agenda in Hargaysa. If I were you, I'd work hard towards establishing economic independence from western coffers, and thus cause a change in the Wests' perceptions regarding your ambitions. No need for unnecessary hostility and animosity against your fellow Somalis. It's not as though they have a say in your "Democratic will" after all

xiinfaniin;916145 wrote: Disappointment awaits for those expecting Somalia to be broken up to satisfy what is essentially a political grievance in the North. I agree. Walaahi odeyga Silaanyo dhib weyn baa soo foodheysa: How in the world is he going to deliver, to people his government has been effectively brainwashing for the last 20 years, that the west will never recognize them? How is he to inform them that their secessionist ambitions have been suddenly and irrevocably been brought to an end? I just hope we find in him a capable politician, with the adeptness at inducing desirable responses in the young ones his government has been lying to all these years.

GoldCoast;916141 wrote: What is behind these warnings though, they are bizarre, and none of the governments have shed insight into what triggered them. These warnings by the U.S and U.K govts were triggered by Godane's return to the warm embrace of his mother's bosom in Somaliland, which was expected anyway, because it was only going to be a matter of time before we saw the chickens come home to roost after Godane's defeat in the south of the country. Moving forward, I believe Godane's return home will cause instability in the north because the west will compel Silaanyo to act against his beloved terrorist proxy which he's been using all these years to destabilize the south.

walaalkis;915790 wrote: I would say, his doing a great job. I don't relate to him or know him. All I know is Somalia doesn't need any more civil war and qabyaalad. His doing what we need at the moment. If it bothers anyone by his way of doing things then too bad Talk is cheap. It is actions that will define his legacy. All those folks who begrudge Xassan Shiekh for saying this or that, or NOT saying what they would like to hear will not matter. What matters is that he builds effective institutions of government that will raise this country of ours from the doldrums. My only advice to the President is to remain just in all his dealings with those who oppose him for clan reasons as well as those who support him for clan reasons. He has a great opportunity to do this, let's all hope he does not squander it.

Its an east African thing.

Wadani;914465 wrote: Waranle-warrior, dadku adeerkaa ku xaasuuqay xamar 2006-2009 ma xaabo meel iska taalo ayay ahaayeen? Shayga caddaaladda la yidhaa horta soo baro intaanad meeshan ka calaacalin. Dhinac kasta hadii ayna diyaar u ahayn inay qirato dambigeeda waxba ma hagaagayaan. Wadani, Horta waa fiicantahay-- reer walba, reerkuu ku eedeenayo xasuuq iney is cafiyaan oo is raali galiyaan. Laakin hadii meesha heshiis dhab-ah laga doonayo waa ina laga xaajoodo guryaha iyo hantida xooga weli loo kala heeysto. Meeshaan ma waxaa la rabaa ina la heshiiyo mise in is qabqabsigaan weligiis uu sii socdo oo Soomaaliya jug-jug meeshada joog weligeed iney ahaato?

oba hiloowlow;914444 wrote: Listen i lost my uncles and more than 30 close relatives between 2007-2008 if i moved on and forgave whats stopping others to do walahi bilahi talahi i aint holding any grudge at all what happened happened khalaas. A man by the name Machiavelli once said, "...because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony. Besides, pretexts for taking away the property are never wanting; for he who has once begun to live by robbery will always find pretexts for seizing what belongs to others; but reasons for taking life, on the contrary, are more difficult to find and sooner lapse." Oba hiloowlow, clearly you're missing the crucial point that once a life is taken --nobody can give it back; but a house on the other hand, can be given back! Which is why the properties that were stolen from their rightful owners and are currently being occupied illegally, should be returned by law, in accordance with justice. This I believe is the quickest path to genuine peace and reconciliation between Somalis.

Somalis are copycats by nature. In fact, in every aspect of life they are copycats. Socially, ideologically, psychologically, economically and politically as well. However this fascinating inclination that Somalis have has one big limitation. Somalis tend to copy from Somalis only ,period. They believe if any reer can do it, so can they. Which understandably stems from wanting not to be outdone by the other tribes. A good example of this would be the formation, back in the day of the SSDF by a certain enterprising and adventurous family. Not to be out done, the great sheiks family, immediately followed suit and formed the SNM. Then came USC,SPM,RRA and a myriad other alphabet soup political movements. Which then all led to the unfortunate circumstances of the Somali civil war. Then after all things fell apart in Somalia, our dear brothers in the north for once decided they were gonna become trend setters and founded a local administration to manage their local affairs, and lo and behold within a short period Puntland was established, and as we speak there are many others like Makhir, Khaatuma, Awdalland, Galmudug, Ximan&Xeeb and some others yet to be formed, which were and are getting established by the different tribes of Somalia. And thus, the copycat syndrome is in full swing. Moving forward--Hada sheekadu waxay taagantahay, if Somaliland can have something resembling free and fair elections, well dammit so will we. Which is why its only matter of time before every qabiil in Somalia starts holding these things-- which I suppose is an improvement away from the status quo. Unfortunately, the only drawback this copycat syndrome has is that it works in both ways. Somalis will always try to out do one another whether it a good thing or a bad one. And thus, the only way to mitigate in some degree the many difficulties associated with its negative side effects is if the Somali people were to do more good achievements and set better examples for others to copy, and so I give kudos to Somaliland for starting this election business. I always tell my friends, if one Somali ever managed to reach the moon, then ALL Somalis would join him up there oo wuxuu dhihi... war reer hebel ayaa dayaxa tagey, anakuna maan u guurno oo qaadano asagoo dhan

^ Xaaji X, aniguba dayaxa baan beri u duuley! If you don't believe me... go ask NASA! See how easy that was?

So far from what I have gleaned from this thread, it seems Norf, Abu Salma and others are willing to face the realities on the ground in Somalia whilst Xaaji and Oodweyene remain the last of a dying breed. I say, good riddance hombres!

Xaaji Xunjuf;910251 wrote: Seems the author is trying to convince him self rather than Somalilanders:D Saaxib, I don't need convincing. I already believe in the sanctity of the unity of the Somali people. This piece is intended to cajole, shame, and encourage as need be those somalilanders who for far too long have been held hostage by selfish and treasonous politicians. Oodweyne;910260 wrote: This is what is known as a seductive empty talk that at it's best would not even be equal to the sort of the endlessly tendentious harangue in which one could be misfortune enough to have encountered it at London's speakers corner. Oodwyene, unlike those at London's speakers corner, what makes this "empty talk" of mine so seductive is that it possesses gravitas and displays meticulously the truth. Carafaat;910262 wrote: War hada nabad rabtid. Qoriga dhig oo isku dhiib dawlada Somalia ama Somaliland. Choice kale ma jirto. Carafaat, qoriga dhig maxaad ka wadaa? Anigu hormar iyo nabad ayaan Somalia u rabaa...

This Imran fellows resignation, whether it be the President who fired him or not is inconsequential. The President has every right to appoint and fire anyone in his administration. And Mooge, you have right to oppose this President, but please base it on actual policy decisions he makes and back your opposition by suggesting a better policy and alternative way that the President should act. These baseless allegations of HAG, relatives and Damjadiid of yours don't hold any water. P.S Che, ma hadaad bilowdey sheekadii Al Shabab ay dadka dhihi jireen gaal baad tahay? War isku xishood!

^ All that is true, Senor Somalia. These old men whose corrupt ideology has been found wanting by the Somali people are similar to a horse in its last throes. A dying horse's last kicks, as you know, may be dangerous but the point is... scream after scream and squall after squall, it gets weaker before it finally succumbs. I assure, the days of old men like these who have held Somalia down are numbered. Soon museums will be erected in Somalia where visitors will be encouraged to reflect upon the rise and fall of such haters of peace and unity.

^ Oodweyne, what do you gain from such petty divisive talk? Their is nothing wrong with Puntland going to Mogadishu as a "supplicant". Puntland is a state within the Federal Republic of Somalia, and Mogadishu is the seat of that Federal government. It never too late to end this them-against-us mentality of yours. Time to move forward my brother. No point in exaggerating talk of who got power and who doesn't. The federal systems is meant to ensure equity among the respective polities of Somalia including yours. Am not saying its perfect but it will get there. We gonna first have to neuter and spay divisive old men like you throughout Somalia. Old men who refuse to abandon backward and primitive ways of interacting with their fellow countrymen.

..BUT within the confines of the constitution of THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF SOMALIA as in the past, no more no less. Notwithstanding Khaatuma, Maakhir, Awdal which don't care much for secession, we all know that the campaign for Somaliland's right to secede from the rest of Somalia was surreptitiously deduced from the nature of the "union" of the "two" European Somali colonies in 1960, which they claim was an agreement between two sovereign States who never surrendered their respective sovereignties-- which meant that they retained the right to back out when in their opinion the union was no longer "working out for them". Fallacious and wrongheaded as this thinking is, I believe 22 years of brainwashing has found many adherents amongst a certain portion of the great Sheikh's Clan who have not carefully studied what took place in 1960 to see the grave error their reasoning rests upon. The union that took place between the two former colonies in 1960 was a compact. And it is precisely because it was a compact, and therefore a binding agreement, that neither Italian Somaliland nor British Somaliland cannot depart from it whenever they feel themselves to be aggrieved. In becoming constituent elements of the new Somali nation then, both British and Italian Somalilands had surrendered some essential freedoms. For instance; the right to coin currency, enter into treaties with foreign governments and declare war, were all functions that they both gave up when they got into that covenant back in 1960.The loyalties of their people were transferred to the newly formed Somali Republic; they became citizens of Somalia, and from then on where bound by their allegiance to the Constitution of the Somali Republic. Nobody can deny this simple fact, so do not be duped by petty politicians who have either bamboozled themselves or wish to bamboozle you into believing otherwise. Understand that the illogical reasoning those calling for secession deploy is only meant to hold you hostage to a select group of politicians in Hargaysa. I know they tactfully arouse your pride by declaring that taking orders from Mogadishu is an unacceptable thralldom, and as such resistance should be the order of the day. They make patriotic appeals to your passions by claiming thousands have died fighting for your right to secede. Yet, those deaths were not only unique to the people in the Waqooyi Galbeed region, for many more thousands died in other areas of Somalia. Please take a moment and really consider the feasibility of the dangerous path they have urged you to take these last 20 years. Those politicians in Hargaysa don't care about you. All they care about is the little power they've secured in that corner of the country, which they believe would be impossible otherwise. Ponder well on the fruitlessness of it all, and you will appreciate the recognition they talk about will NEVER come. My brothers and sisters, the days of the oppressive Socialist regime of Somalia are behind us. A new Somalia has dawned at the very moment when you are still being rabidly urged on to the mistaken path you got on whilst the rest of the country was suffering the burdens of the tumultuous civil war. But thankfully today, Somalia is slowly but surely getting its house in order. This progress toward peace, however slow, was habitually underrated to you, and your politicians deliberately kept on saying that the rest of Somalia will never have peace so lets break away from them, at the very moment when your country needed you most. My brothers and sisters, I urge you to closely study the justifications that are being used to harangue you to take such a perilous course, and try to earnestly grapple with the ramifications that continuing to embark on such a journey will produce. And more importantly, consider the condition of the Somalia of which you still form an integral and significant part; contemplate its sacred mission, which is to provide a strong and unified homeland for ALL Somalis in the horn of Africa. A homeland that can defend itself from ALL threats and is respected by ALL countries of this world. Let's all say ALHAMDULILAH to the Somalia God has given us and let's work together in getting back what's rightfully ours from our neighbors. The children of the great Sheikh have shed loads of blood for Somalia and help lay the very foundation of our country! And to allow some political vagrant to deface the sacrifices of those heroes is unacceptable. For what reasons do they do that! For what do they make you turn against your own people, your own nation and the sacrifices of your forefathers? For the dream of becoming separate from your fellow Somalis-a dream that will constantly be interrupted by bloody conflicts and strife with your fellow Somalis, risking the continued mischief of foreign countries in Somali affairs. Even if Silanyo's cabal could succeed in establishing a recognized and independent Somaliland, what do you think would stop you from using the same justifications you used to split away Somalia, to further breakup Somaliland itself? What guarantees do you have that you will be free from the apprehension of tribal discord, with all its nasty consequences that we are living through right now? Do the occupation of our lands by our neighbors excite your envy? How could you possibly think we can stand separately and take on such menacing threats individually? Walaalayaal, its never too late to work things out with your fellow Somalis. There is yet time to show that the descendants of the great Sheikh will not abandon their Somali brothers and sisters, which so many of your forebears fought and bled and died to be with. I earnestly appeal to you that you honor their sacrifices, retrace your steps and work toward the pacification of your Somalia and reclaim the honor bequeathed to you by your forefathers. Condemn those politicians trying to lead you astray for their own selfish ends and make them succumb to your will to remain in the union of Somalia. Tell them that compared with breaking up the Somali family, all other evils are surmountable. Tell them that you want to take the world on with your Somali brothers and sisters by your side. Tell them that they will not bring dishonor and scorn to the house of the great Sheikh as the first to breakup what God in his infinite wisdom has intended to remain together. The Somali Nation--it's uprooters you cannot be. Tell them...

Oodweyne;909475 wrote: If the ship of state is in an evenly keel going through the ocean and at the same time the passengers all know the final destination of such ship then if one or two folks jump out of the ship by side ways in the middle of the sea, then the least that we ought to do is to throw after them one or two life jacket (if we could spare such things). But when no ones has the faintest idea of where exactly the captain of the ship is likely to anchor as a final destination such ship then the idea of jumping out before you are inform where we have arrived at may strike others as a tolerable concept. Hence the thing is the captain doesn't seem to be in charge of the destination or at least he is not communicating where is that. Lets hope he will gets his game together before the bulk of the passengers are fighting each other for an empty corner of the side of the ship to which to jump over to the sea. Oodweyne, with your permission, I'd like to dedicate a poem by Cranmer-Byng to you.... ADRIFT "We cannot keep the gold of yesterday; To-day's dun clouds we cannot roll away. Now the long, wailing flight of geese brings autumn in its train, So to the view-tower cup in hand to fill and drink again, And dream of the greatest singers of the past, Their fadeless lines of fire and beauty cast. I too have felt the wild-bird thrill of song behind the bars, But these have brushed the world aside and walked amid the stars. In vain we cleave the torrent's thread with steel, In vain we drink to drown the grief we feel; When man's desire with fate doth war this, this avails alone -- To hoist the sail and let the gale and the waters bear us on." Saaxiib, be patient---your wounds will indeed heal.:D

STOIC;909455 wrote: Ngonge, I really don't know where this will lead to and I'm sure President Silanyo will ardently be beseech by his citizens for some way forward from here.... Not if he becomes the next President of Somalia. Am sure then "his citizens" will have a more sympathetic disposition toward him. Granted, while Fowziya's move to Xamar might not change by one iota the conviction of some northerners who wish to secede from Somalia, it has however embolden those others who wish to remain united with Somalia, and raised to the first magnitude the futility of the secessionist project, with the result that an exodus to Mogadishu of the elites and the intelligent, together with the cunning has started, leaving behind in unhappy Somaliland only the helpless inmates of asylums for the demoralized and disconsolate.

NGONGE;909437 wrote: Guru, The pendulum is swinging strongly towards the Somali side. If Fowziya and this other guy who hail from known and respected families in SL and probably having strong affinity and knowledge with the place have switched sides, what happens to little old me? My blue flag is tattered and gathering dust but it firmly remains under my bed and the recent events in Somalia lead me think that it might be time to bring it out. What do you say, Guru? Why shouldn’t any of us do a Fowziya and embrace the greater Somalia idea? If able men like this bank manager chose to go that way, why not you and I? Ngonge, awalba qadiyad ma'aadan laheyn: Blue flag aad sheygaysid muxuu yahay? Waryaa, jiritaanka Somaliland waa muqadas.This pesky fork in the road scenario, alluded to by Odweyne, will eventually be overcome chiefly on account of the average amount of natural astuteness inherent in all true born Somalilanders, notwithstanding of course, Fowziya &Co--(Dem just sellouts, that is all)

These disputes should be tackled in a fair and transparent manner, or else it could jeopardize the little stability that Mog is enjoying.