^He's pulling at strings sxb. loooool

^I agree we represent a decent slice of the pie. You should be puzzled. You've brought up a valid point sxb. Its not fashionable to be qabiilist now a dayz, at least not a blatant one. The diaspora has forced many qabiils to live and work side by side. Also more maryooleeys have returned to the true Islam making hard core qabiilist harder to identify but they are hidding amongst us in life and on SOL. It's a fact of life. Every Somali person (at some point in life) has used qabiil to judge others or has been judged by others because of qabiil mentality. I've been on both sides. Sxb, I have to run but I'll be back. How about you? How much does qabiil determine the way you viewe ppl in your life? On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate yourself? Don't even think of choosing 1 coz no somali is qabiil free!

If anything, I blv some compensation and gratitude is due to me. Loool @ "me", CW if/when you make it to Xamar let me know. I'll have your back and vice versa. What an amazing mom you've got.

I've been reading this topic closely. Northerner it's a sticky situation. I feel for those who live there now but I know the land will always belong to those who bought it. My father lived outside somalia for more than 40 yrs and guess what? He poured his hard earned money back into somalia. He sent his money back to build houses and property with the intent of retiring and dying there. He is the most patriotic somali I have ever come across and when the war happened and our lands where demolished or taken by others. I saw a piece of him die. Do they deserve compensation? That is a matter of emotion and not the law. I would hope those who return treat them with due respect and try to work out a compromise but it sure as heck wasn't my father's fault the war occured nor where they asked to improve or renovate the house. PS. What have other countries done (in history)when faced with similar land disputes?

^I can only imagine how growing up believing clan X, Y or Z are so and so day in and out. When I know as an adult I (or a few honest & God fearing friends) have to occasionally stop myself from making assumptions because of the persons qabiil. I can not lie I'm guilty of joking about so and so being like that coz of his/her qabiil and after awhile I really believe it!! Then I go about applying it to all other faraxs and halimos from that qabiil like its a fact...talk about susceptiblity?! Lee, I guess all that you mentioned will always arise when such a personal and often hard to prove issue is at stake. I think of it in this way...islam requires 4 witnesses to prove infidility but in culture it's usually the strongest that prevails. This will be his word against hers and yes I understand you fear that the outcome will impacts the future victims. The whole 'boy calling wolf' too many times. Yet, I don't fear that at all. I believe each alleged victim should recieve the same caliber of respect as the accuser until proven otherwise...Allah knows best.

Castro, on the off chance your asking (the not so deep) me here’s my two cents. Everything close to home usually blurs one's judgment and sense of justice. I can't speak for others but I'm grateful for the household I grew up in. My parents (especially my dad) never discussed qabiil in the house. I must have been in my late teens before I realized what qabiil I was. He set the tone of the house and that included gossipy guests and relatives. He was an authoritarian who used Islam and Soomalinimo as references and examples. I don't know if it's a character trait or my upbringing but I don't give a rat's @ss if the person using qabiil as a justification for discrimination is my uncle (which I've seen) or relative. I rely on my sense of wrong and right to steer me in the right direction. I must admit Castro coming from a home free of tribal affiliations and moving to the west was a challenge to my somalinimo and integrity. I quickly learned how deeply qabiil runs in ppl's veins. The saddest thing was it came in all sizes and shapes. Have all the experiences of either being discriminated and/or watching others being discriminated by my relatives or friends taken a toll on me? Hell yes! I'm more cynical and weary of all Somalis and their intentions. Back to your question, how would I react to it coming from those who share my genes? Hurt would be my first reaction but I'm not capable of turning on/off my sense of justice and integrity like a faucet. Most likely would try and excuse/justify their behavior due to other factors coz I love them but eventually that annoying thing called a conscious would break through my bubble. I would support them if they truly owned up to their errors and made an effort to change. To conclude you might be asking the wrong person for I have low tolerance for mean, spiteful and qabiilist behavior even if it was my parents. It's a disease that has almost sucked me in several times due to hurt i.e. the whole if you can't beat them join them attitude. Alhamdullahi, thanks to Allah, an innate sense of right/wrong and knowing two wrongs don't make a right has saved me many a times. BOY let me do my homework!!!!!

^Duh thats coz your sitting on that leather coach feet kicked up, watching the wide screen tv and laptop on your lap while I just got out of a mind draining 3 hr lab and am about to embark on homework!!! Mine has a finesse and flow that you have yet to display but watch and learn. PS. Buster you better have more thought considering you've surpassed 2000ish posts compared to my mere 190! Shame on you comparing mountains to molehills!

How freakish Castro we said the same thing!!

Xiin letting the old man have his day in court is not too much to ask for as is letting the young girl have her day in court either. The court system, everyone else said before, will determine the outcome of this case but whats more important is the lesson. This is a golden opportunity for us to discuss and challenge each other. How else does a society improve if not by challenging one's faulty thought process or holding each other to a higher standard of morality. If we (somalis) continue on this path of recklessness (that began many eons ago) our society will cease to exist, eventually. We are busy rotting inside while focusing on trival issues. I posted this topic to keep the window of enlightenment open. This isn't about taking sides. It's about bringing to the table an issue (among many issues) that never saw light in our community. If we don't fix our problems who will? I'd rather discuss a community issue with fellow SOL'ers than what's my favorite perfume. There is more at stake here than if he will be convicted or not. I dare any of you to state this issue doesn't exist in our community. This issue plaques all societies otherwise NBC's "To Catch a Predator" would not be a series.

Lool, the video is funny & real. The issue came up last week when a female friend and I went to lunch along with a Korean male friend. She (God bless her soul) opened a can of worms by lightly asking why asian guys don't date white girls? What should have been a light topic over fries became a intense hour long debate. I'll call him Andy for now. He said even though he was born and raised in the states white girls will become friends with asian guys but not date them. Everytime we rebuttled he would say "they just don't see us that way...it's just the way it is" and so forth. I could see he was uncomfortable discussing it in detail with two inquisitive females although his asian friends and him have discussed it to no end. As the topic finally began to wind down he flipped the tables and looked me straight in the eyes and said its almost impossible to find a black girl with an asian guy. How about you Katrina have you ever dated an asian guy? I truely understood the meaning of the hot seat as I struggled for words. I fwd'ed the site and hopefully he can get a few laughts out it.

My dear brothers and sisters, I hope each and every one of you is in good health and Iman. As Somali residents of Minneapolis you are probably aware of the case against "Sanguub." In case you are not up to date with the Somali community here is a summary: For those of you who are not familiar with Sangub: he is a renowned Somali poet and playwright. He is the "Shakespeare" of Somalia if you could award him that title! Sangub was charged with molesting and raping a minor in 1996. In accordance to the judicial system we are all presumed innocent, ergo let us allow the court to decide his fate. There was a hearing on the 31st of January during which a court date was scheduled for the 23rd of February. I have attached the police report for further information. Like many of you I initially chose to be a spectator in this case. Let us face it; it is much easier to sit back and watch. However, the situation is far direr than I previously anticipated. It turns out that Sangub is not the only defendant in this case. In fact, it is the fabric of the Somali society- our morals, our culture, our religion and our dignity that will be tried on the 23rd of February. Consequently, the events related to this case dictate how the world views our people. To date based on the overwhelming support and the ongoing fundraising on behalf of the accused; our community depicts itself as the champions of child abusers. This public display of support for Sungub (an alleged molester) in and outside of the courthouse is grotesque and ineffable. It is an embarrassment to see our community elders, mostly women, blindly supporting a self-confessed child molester. The situation would have been different if his supporters constituted of his immediate family. Unfortunately, his entourage of supporters come from all parts of Somalia * a loud public display of our nation’s moral standards and integrity. I refuse to believe that our community who proudly proclaims they are " the only ~100% Sunni Muslim population" will condone child abuse. While I respect the defendant being our nation's poet, a remnant of a dignified country. Being a local grandee should not allow anyone to violate the rights of a child. These actions are also sending a negative message to our children and the voiceless victims of abuse within our community. We are indirectly victimizing them by staying away from this issue. They have the right to know, we will not ignore such vile, sadistic actions in our name. As such, we need to publicly take a stance in support of the safety of our children and women. Please repudiate the robbery of the one remaining shred of respect the Somali nation still owns- its name. I encourage all of you to talk about this issue of zero tolerance of abuse a perfect sine qua non, in our masjids, community centres and in our homes. Let us break free from the chains of silence. Let us defend our integrity and our diin. --May Allah bestow his wisdom on us and guide us to protect the innocent and the righteous- Amin If you are interested in attending the court session: It will be on the 23rd of February, Minneapolis Courthouse. (fadlun verify the address) In Solidarity,

Immigrants sue Minneapolis school for the right to a decent education Blacked Out Ibrahim Mumid (center) and other students look on as attorney David Shulman announces the civil suit aganist Lincoln High Image by Rich Fleischman by Britt Robson September 28, 2005 By his own account, all Ibrahim Mumid wanted was a chance to understand. "I came to U.S. in 1999," says the Ethiopian immigrant. "In five years," he adds, lower lip trembling, "no speak English, no write my name." Four of those years were spent at Lincoln High School, whose campus was recently relocated from Nicollet Avenue in south Minneapolis to the heart of downtown. Neither a charter school nor a public school, Lincoln is a private venture operated by an organization called the Institute for New Americans (INA), which has a contract with the Minneapolis public school system to educate teenaged immigrants. The school's annual enrollment fluctuates, but generally hovers around 300 students per year. Mumid is one of 13 immigrant students who have filed a civil lawsuit against Lincoln, alleging that their human rights were violated because they did not receive an adequate education as required by state and federal laws. Also named in the suit were the INA and the Minneapolis Public Schools. Mumid, who wears a hearing aid, describes being kicked out of class and sent to a cafeteria when he asked for help. Through a translator, he tells of the horror he felt when Lincoln High officials scooped him out of class one day and drove him to an adult education center. Frantic and confused, he called his brother to come pick him up. Mumid had been "aged out": At 24, he was too old to stay in school, despite not having completed sufficient work to earn his diploma. Advertisement Earlier this year, the Minnesota Department of Education investigated Lincoln after a number of complaints about the school from Mumid and others. The results of that investigation were delivered to MPS Superintendent Thandiwe Peebles in June, and its "findings of fact" appear to buttress claims made in the students' lawsuit. Specifically, the MDE investigation discovered that just 17 percent of the students at Lincoln passed the Minnesota Basic Standards Test over the past three years, compared with a 40 percent pass rate for ELL (English-language learner) students throughout the district. Over the past three years, Lincoln has identified just one student as requiring special education services, and less than 1 percent of its population has used those services. According to the MDE report, the state average is 12.5 percent. "Based on the numbers alone, it is apparent that ALHS does not have a system in place designed to identify students with disabilities," says the report. "The lawsuit challenges the practice of the Minneapolis School District of using Abraham Lincoln High School as a warehouse for immigrant high school aged students," says David Shulman, one of the lawyers representing the immigrants. "Students sat in mainstream classrooms for years, not understanding what was being said, or what was being taught." A press conference last week to rebut the lawsuit turned into a small disaster when MPS legal counsel Allen Giles and Lincoln High Executive Director Joel Gibson both stated that they hadn't read the state's three-month-old report on the school. Another MPS representative, Mary Berry, asserted that the state's June report was preliminary, not final, but Amy Roberts, the Department of Education official who sent the report to Superintendent Peebles, emphasized that "this is a final decision. We render decisions to complaints. Now, it can include corrective action if we feel it is warranted, and the response to that corrective action is obviously ongoing." MPS officials believe that the school has already begun to address some of the nine corrective actions prescribed in the state's 13-page, single-spaced report. At the end of the last school year, the district responded to student complaints by working with Lincoln High administrators to hire a special-education teacher and create a grievance procedure at the school. Afterward, the Minneapolis district elected to proceed with the second and final year of its current contract with the school, a development that may have helped prompt the lawsuit. "We thought they were going to close Lincoln and send students to other schools [in the district] that have shown they do a better job of educating these students," says Ladan Yusuf, executive director of Crossing Barriers, a nonprofit immigrant advocacy organization that has received dozens of complaints about Lincoln. Indeed, a March 24 article about Lincoln in the Star Tribune was headlined, "Troubled Minneapolis School Gets Notice to Close." "We never said we were going to close the school down," counters Birch Jones, the Minneapolis school system's executive director for alternative and charter schools. "I know it was the desire of the students who complained to the state and the [state] office of civil rights. But we take these complaints very seriously and we're prepared to do what's necessary," Jones says. "What this points to is how difficult it is to provide the appropriate special-ed support for students who have a different language and culture. That is what hits us right in the face. The state has been kind enough to give us some extra time and that's what we are working on."

Netbank, the majority of females wouldn't be involved with males younger than them but I believe the trend is changing, slowly but truely. If these females didn't know the age of the guy they would judge him based on his maturity and intelligence or lack of them. For some human beings maturity comes with time while others acquire it at a much younger age than others. Ofcourse there are those that never mature. Age differenciates both sexes up to a certain number. That said, males in their teens and early twenties are more attracted to older women but very few have enough life experiences to be at the same wavelenght as these older females. I believe age doesn't matter when both genders reach their mid-twenties, except those still stuck in a 16 yr old mentality. I've seen guys who are in their early twenties (give or take a few yrs) have their shidh (ie. maturity, family values, deen, education, employment etc.) together more than many late twenties or thirty year old men, go figure. :confused: This also applies to women. A friend of mine's mom is 7 yrs older than her dad and they've been happly married for yrs. A male family member of mine is married to a woman about 8 yrs older than him. You could never tell the difference if you met them. It's a fact women mature mentally faster than men but there are exceptions. Anywayz, the way women and specifically somali females lie about their age...lately somali men have joined the bandwagon. I'm sure (come on now you all know marriages or relationships like that...friends, siblings, cousins etc.) there are many men married/involved with older women and ignore the obvious or are unaware. Why rule out a potential lifemate for the wrong reasons?

What do you think?How far do you agree? Xalimopatra , sorry for the late reply. :cool: First of all YES its too much to ask for! Secondly, I do agree with all that you said. My comments were referring to the majority and not the minority but yes its natural that some will exist that back up their convictions. I'm not so bitter that I deny their existence. Lol @ "big @rse lecture", Castro gives those ocassionally but I think it's coz he's desperate for future role models for his daughters. Our resident senile & geriatric adeer is using me. I think you misunderstood my second quote. Jawa' said all she knows are her father and brothers. I was warning her that don't expect faraaxs (halimos or anyone) in school, work or life to be as good or honorable as she says the men in her family are. But for sure, how a faraax interacts with his family is crucial. What kind of household and role models he had or didn't have tells a lot. That's why family reputation is highly valued in Islam as it should. Ofcourse like everything else their are exceptions to the rule as you already stated.

lol, Urban stop giving some SOL dudes the perfect line.

^^Luved it Rowda, masha'allah what a motivational speech...talk about prespective.

Thanks Kooleey, I had some amazing female friends help me thru it. My family needed me so nothing they did would have faultered me. Castro, crippled sperm?! That's serious, I understand those brothers now. I'd imagine medical or pharmacy school would be harder. PS. Castro guess who's in the hearing? hehe

Since the raw wound is open , I'd like to add. I've been the only black female in most of my classes for many semesters so I'm use to a lot of crap. I can deal with that just fine. It doesn't even make me blink. Yet, to get that from guys you share the same country, language, religion, culture and genes can really hurt. Peace

I agree with ya'all (Bisharo & FB). Before I say anything else...success can be measured in many forms. Your right it's something about the way ppl are raised or their self-esteem. Yep, xasidnimo doesn't discriminate against women and men. Yet, the majority of the xasidnimo I've experienced in my 5 yrs of uni has been from Somali males. Initially, I almost lost my mind trying to comprehend why they were doing/saying what they did but like I said earlier actions always speak louder than words. These weren’t just young guys. They incl middle-aged men, guys raised here, religious guys, hip guys etc. This happened semester after semester different faraax’s but the same old xasidnimo. Their xasidnimo, hatred, envy, gossip, selfishness all for what??? Just coz, I choose an area of education they like to believe only they could excel in or some sick twisted ideas about women who knows? Get over your egos boys is all I thought, logically for every single Somali male student there where 100 (if not more) Asian students to match. Heck even the female Asian students out numbered them yet they made sure I was ostracized. Could it be I threaten their idea of what a somali woman can or can't do? Either way it was their problem and not mine...nobody has the power to intimidate unless you give it to them. All that drama was just in calc and phys!! Imagine if I had to take upper classmen classes with them? Alhamdullahi, none of ‘em was around once I got into my major. The need to group, sneaking, hiding exam tips, insisting to see my exam scores then walking away happy if they scored higher than me or scratching their heads if I scored higher than them, promising to explain/help with a question then waiting till the night of the final to disappear, sabotaging my chance of getting a job at a company one work at and finding out what he did. Where was the walaalnimo I ask?? They sure could give Jews a run for their $$$...Allah protects though.

Lol @ #a, I thought it was only me, glad to know it happens to others. It drove me nuts for yrs now I just ask them, can't you speak somali? They huff puff then turn blue & green. hehe

It's the 31st and I wonder what the outcome of Sanqub's court date will be????? :confused: Today @ 1pm @ Hennepin district court.

Majority of Somali dudes I meet tell me that their ultimate baby momma would have to be driven and dedicated to whatever she does.Whether it be educational/career wise or family orientated at home. They're LYING sis, so many guys spout that rubbish but actions speak louder than words. Heck check the stat's or ask women from all over, men from most cultures need to feel superiour to women, everything else is crap or look around how many do you know who back up what they say. Jawariya dear notice how many absurd comments are being made? Why would you want their view? Analyze the situation involving your mentor and make your conclusions. You already know the answer but maybe your asking coz your hoping it's wrong and somali guys would have your back, help you, pray you reach your goals etc. Hon wake up quick that's a Disney fantasy. The sooner you accept the reality the better prepared you'll be to deal with many future incidents similar to the ones you mention. I'm sure there must be nice somali guys but don't expect somali men to be like your father or brothers...fatal error #1.

^Lady take your "SubhanaALLAH" to someone else and chill out! I'm simply mourning (ie. one of the 5 steps of grief) the death of an addiction that got me thru many nights, sheesh :mad: Are you specifically isolating me coz I don't see ya weirding out with the sea rejecting danish products. Doesn't that warrant a "SubhanaALLAH" PS. Your post wouldn't normally warrant a response from me but like I said procrastination causes unusual behavior. Maybe you should read my other post to calm you down. Peace

^^You (Kooleey) need to take more chances. How about befriending me? PS. Can't wait to read Rowda's view/stories about womenhood. Damn, this is the most I've ever posted in a day! Procrastination really is a disease.

^Adeer or is it atheer?! Nope (no more) these lips are sealed, I hope (IA).