Said barre was the dictator not the USC. Before there were any S-land, P-land or even USC there was Barre with his evil plan, his dictatorship and satanic mentality! He has provoked all those groups and caused mistrust between them, may Allah punish him for his evil deeds! The Hitler wanna-be is disgraceful to everything the Great Nation of Somalia stands for.

Will you look at that? There are no Egyptian soldiers in your land, but you best believe when I say there are Ethiopian soldiers on my soil! Your country has no business with the TFG, what is Malawi going to do protect the warlord government from its people? Your country has supported the warlords, the USC, the S-Landers and the Puntlanders, with the help of the west. If your country gives back the Somali land it occupies, then will shall live in peace if not we will have problems till the world comes to an end. If you feel the need to protect your land, then you should know that I FEEL the same as well.

America is at it again. Do you see how easily they can lift and put any sanctions on us? :mad: NO arms embargo there will be no arms embargo, lift the arms embargo and with in seconds it is gone. They are doing what they wish when they wish, all beneficial to their interest!

Please as far as i am concerned Ethiopia is still considered one of the poorest nations on earth, who has a high rate of HIV/AIDS. As for the Somali-region in Ethiopia you government has caused enough suffering to my people! Tell your president to worry about his own people, before he decides to enter the inner-politics of Somalia and its people. Sense you are an Ethiopian what are you doing on this site? Don't you Ethiopians have your own sites?

So we are to be punished for living in one of the most strategic locations on earth. These other countries and nations need to back away from my people and nation. They did even meddling.

Change your name 'Somali friend' you are NO friend of my people or nation. back to the topic: Barre is responsible for all this chaos and mistrust that is going on today. We have S-landers who are still angry with what he did, we have tribalistic puntlanders and Southerners who still believe in the concept of Greater Somalia and will do whatever they can to achieve that goal. This man is one man I truly despise. He was even responsible for the killing of thousands of innocent sheikhs during his time. The man has crippled has for too long!

Let me clean my sword then

You comparing Eritrea with Ethiopia is like comparing oranges with apples. They are two different fruits but at the end of the day they are both categorized as fruits. Now the Ethiopians and Eritreans are different from each other, but at the end of the day they remain our enemies, but it is wise to pick the weaker one over the stronger one. So you could use one to crush the other and then deal with the weaker one later on.

Originally posted by Kamalu Diin: USC/ICU knows wat happend to them in the RRA war against father-son warmongers Aideed of USC/ICU backed by Eritrae. They got kicked out terribly bad. Same thing will happen. Federalists will win over fascism and evil, thievery and savagery of courts aka USC/ICU You think a bunch of Warlords/TFG can rule and bring peace, take long look at Ethiopia. Observe the land and people, economic and development and tell me is that what you call a nation, just because you have a government and president doesn’t necessarily mean you are fit to be called a nation. If we let these warlords lead us then we will have a nation who has a population that is malnourished, with disease all over the place, people are poor and illiterate, the government is corrupted and they care only for themselves and not the people. I rather have a country who is without a government than one who has a government that doesn't cares for its citizens!

King if we are to start killing all those who had committed crimes then we shall start with the president who is the biggest warlord to have claimed presidency! Your signature states "Always believe in yourself and your dreams." Well i have a dream of seeing a Greater Somalia one day. And i could careless what tribe you are from, if you have committed a crime either you will be prosecute by the law or you will have to answer to Allah the All-Mighty! Either ways there is no way out.

Originally posted by Somali_Friend: Mystic, Calm down. You can spell it in any way to your hearts content. I will spell it the way I see fit. It has nothing to do with religiosity unless in ICU world is different rules. Back to the thread. The ICU declaration of Jihad on Negash is bogus and unIslamic. It was also declared by someone who is nothing, but an imposter in the person of Hassan Dihir/Tahir. Do you have any comment on that? It seemed that you are a person that appears to need some assistance when spelling the word ‘Sharia’. It has nothing to do with the so called ICU. Besides you thought that words are spelled the same way they are pronounced, I just took the time to correct a misconception you had. You were confusing the English language with the Ethiopian one. What makes the declaration un-Islamic? Are you not allowed to defend your land when invaded?

The funny thing is that they don’t mind the barbaric Africans who are likely to be infected with HIV/AIDs to enforce law in their land, but they go all wacko when the ICU says the same thing. Since that is the case and they want peacekeeping forces then they should have them in Puntland only. They can't trespass on the areas controlled by the ICU.

Originally posted by Somali_Friend: mystic, Sheria is the way its pronounced in ethiopia. I am not a linguist. I don't know how the Arabs or Farsi sound it, but I am sure of its sounding in Ethiopia. I am willing to be corrected if you have historical background information to it, that we ethiopians pronounce it wrong. The way you pronounce words and spell them are different. You are now using the English Language and alphabet, not all words are spelled as they are pronounced! Are you an Ethiopian or something? You could spell it two ways, one is ‘Sharia’ and the other one is ‘Shariah’ I truly don’t care how you Ethiopians pronounce it, you have to spell it right thou.

Originally posted by Kamalu Diin: quote:Originally posted by mystic: It is pathetic that we have Somalis who deny other Somalis the right to have Greater Somalia. where did I say greater somalia. re-read my comments as respond approprietly. Kamal you must have amnesia or something. Let me quote what you said in another thread... “for your information Mystic you need to adjust to things on the ground................... the idea of Somaliweyn waa dhamaatay. USC/ICU muderer, and rapist, thinking to bring power back to their hand again. this puzzle that USC/ICU meant not to solve.” You basically said the concept of Greater Somalia is Dead. Maybe you should be the one re-reading your posts!

Somalifriend What i was stating were quite simple, if you have reading complexities then that is your problem. I thought the Sheikh was from Somalia, but since he is not i won’t expect the Ethiopian government to regulate by the Sharia law. I told you that a Muslim nation should be ruled by a government who imposes the Sharia Law. The courts could only enforce minor laws if the government doesn’t agree with it. And the least you could do is spell Sharia right

Originally posted by Kamalu Diin: ISN'T THE USC/ICU IS DENYING THE RIGHTS OF SELF-DETERMINATION PUNTLAND/SOMALILAND. - THE ENEMY WITHIN IS LOT WOREST THEN OUTSIDERS. I BELIEVE THE ROUTE THE USC/ICU (THE ENEMY WITHIN) IS TAKING IS LOT WORST THAN OUTSIDE ENEMY. Somaliland and Puntland are puppets of Ethiopia, what right do they have to self-determination? Why do they wish to divide from there fellow Somali brethrens?

It is pathetic that we have Somalis who deny other Somalis the right to have Greater Somalia. We have enemies that are ten times worse than Ethiopia and Kenya and these enemies are some of our own fellow Somalis. There tribalistic mentality is revolting.

Originally posted by Kamalu Diin: for your information Mystic you need to adjust to things on the ground................... the idea of Somaliweyn waa dhamaatay. USC/ICU muderer, and rapist, thinking to bring power back to their hand again. this puzzle that USC/ICU meant not to solve. And I am supposed to listen to what you say why? Maybe to you the ideology of Greater Somalia is over, but not for me or those who wish to unite their brothers and sisters for once and all! Your tribe-hatred has just illustrated itself on what you write. People like you are the source of our problems. I assume you think that your warlord of a uncle will bring peace and stability to Somalia, keep on chewing that khaat

According to Sheik Ahmed, the people of Somali State are being administered under a federal system where they have their representatives and have also organized regional government, and on top of that its Sharia Courts are performing better than that of Mogadishu." What state is he referring to, what federal system? Does he know that in a Muslim country the Sharia law shall be the ultimate law? The government itself should be Sharia based, not only the courts. All Muslim countries are required to uphold the Sharia. Somalia is a country without a functioning government. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is from Puntland.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Well you are departing from all reason as is the case with many who oppose the TFG for basic clan reasons. One, what are the likes of Xasan dahir, Abdiqasin and Galaal to be titles with respect to their actions in the lower Shabbele this past decade? Criminals, thugs, come to mind because warlord is a good term to even name these groups. Selective memory aside, when the warlords where at the hight of their power. The courts lived with them, supported them and in union with them even opposed any governmnet, that would address, basic rights, property and bring equility to the average citizen . What you have is the final excuse, they failed with politics, i.e Nairobi conference 4.5. formula back fired. So now its the faith..No doubt they will fail with this. You are contradicting yourself duke, first you call Dahir and Addiqasin a bunch of criminals, while excusing A/Y from the list. Fine it really it is irrelevant at this point. Second, if you are talking about Abdiqassim Salad Hassan, wasn’t he the former president? If so why would he oppose any government? The ICU has brought all those things you have listed, the average citizen is quite happy today, and I know that will be a fact you will choice to deny. I don’t see the TFG as a tribal group, Gedi is a living proof. Thou I do see them as a gang of cave-dwelling criminals who are traitorous in every aspect. While you my friend, wouldn’t support the TFG if A/Y wasn’t the president.

This poor man needs as much help as he could receive. The fact that he accuses the ICU for the Baydhaba bombing, especially when they denied the accusations just proves that he is nothing more than a person who is mentally imprisoned by tribe hatred. And it is sad that they government can’t even stabilize the one city they control. TFG were told to live Nairobi and do something for their country, they enjoyed the 5 star hotels where they were free to chew on khaat all day along. And wasn’t it the same government who was outraged when the ICU outlawed Khaat? Instead of praising the ICU for doing such a good job they criticized them, what a bunch of sore-losers.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^You seem to deny everything, even if your eyes come across it. Eritrea is involved, it has sent troops to prop up the Clan Court millitia. The UN monitoring group has also pointed the finger at Asmara. Aferwarki was the only President in the world, angered by the removal of the arms embargo. Eritrea has its reasons, and the actions of its regimes and its many wars indicate it is more than capable of taking such action. The UN stated many things, not to forget that they are cheering for the inadequate warlord-government. And Ethiopia has no reason whatsoever or interest? You must have forgotten all the actions committed by Zenawi's regime. You truly believe that they are just merely there to help the poor Somali nation? Eritrea is nothing compared to Ethiopia when it come to heinous atrocities and mischievous conducts.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^The Clan Courts have warlords with in it, such as IndaCade, Cirfo and others. Their millitia are led by the same comanders which served all the warlords of Mogadishu. Warlord IndaCade has linked his group to ALQAEDA. His vailed statement was broadcasted around the world, so there is the smoking gun. Their image and posture is taken from what they see on Al-Jazeera and so on, with the AK47 with the holly Quran in one hand and cries of Jihad to any and everyone. Well one thing is for sure and that is the warlords don’t lead the ICU, the same way they do the TFG. The mother and father of all warlords had become our president. The warlords in Mogadishu were given the chance to repent, some choice not to do so while others took the chance that was given to them. Those that refuse the offer could be found in Baidio IndaCade, has no reason to link his group with AQ other than to try and confuse few people. And I guess the propaganda the TFG uses isn’t taken from the West, where they plant their own crime scenes and label others terrorists?

Originally posted by Somali_Friend: quote:Originally posted by Jimcaale: Your interest seems to revolve around the ICU, Arabs and Islam/Muslim in the politics forum. I agree with the exception that I leave religious issues to scholars, Immams, teachers and leaders. I only bring up something that has been studied and conclusions reached. Example the Jihad call by Hassan Tahir on Negash is bogus and contrary to Islam. Hasan Tahir himself is nothing, but an imposter. But on this thread I only asked a question. The question in case you missed it was: How would a Somali in Mugadishu who has seen the eritreans and OLF manning positions deny his fellow Somali in Gedo from setting up a government the way he wants it and also getting help from whomever he accepts? The Eritreans are in Xamer? They came all the way from Eritrea, mind you that Eritrea is North of Ethiopia and Northwest of Djibouti, the main point is they don't border Somali and they sure in hell are no where near Xamer. Besides the reputation between the two groups are very crucial, one is a puppet while the other one isn’t, one is fundamentally founded in Somali while the other in neighboring countries. TFG only has the support of their fellow tribesmen for the most part and tribalistic individuals who are die-hard- Qabilist. So just who are these so called Eritreans? And which route did they use to come to Xamer. Second do remember that the coast of Somalia for some part is guarded by American Ships.

Originally posted by Kamalu Diin: quote:Originally posted by Jimcaale: You seem to enjoy lying to yourself. Your interest seems to revolve around the ICU, Arabs and Islam/Muslim in the politics forum. By the way, you seem to know more than we do on the issue of foreign troops deployment. You said Gedo is given to Museveni while the Tigre boy enjoys the control of Baydhabo & Gaalkacyo. Why poor Somalia is stuck with poorly trained troops from the poorest countries of the continent with a high alarming AIDS/HIV crisis? Jimcaale I guess Eriteria/Al-Qaeda trained USC/ICU is the best option for Somalia in your eyes. those African army are meant to help the government to stand its feet. Since the TFG is made of whole waring somali clans there is no better solution, and we don't want USC/ICU or Puntlanders to protect the rest of us. get that What gives you the idea that they are trained by AQ? What does AQ has to do with the Horn of African? Don’t tell me you bought into the western interception. You seem to be confused, you first state that the ICU is the same as the USC then you try to link the ICU with AQ, which one is it, is the ICU a tribalist group or a Islamic group like AQ? Those so called African army can’t help their own people, they rape and devastate their own people! They themselves can’t stand on their own feet. So just how do you expect them to help us? TFG is made-up of WARLORDS. I really don’t care if they come from different tribes. The warlords in Mogadishu proofed that the TFG is a warlord rainbow, since they all seem to get alone very well regardless of their tribe in Baidio.