Duke It doesn’t necessary mean that the elders support the TFG or fully agree with the TFG by having meetings with them. The TFG won’t hesitate to tell the Ethiopians to shell way indiscriminately again, if the resistance continues. As for the sake of the people, and Somalia as a whole, it’s best if they tried to come to a common ground with the TFG. It’s funny how all those who come through power and corruption fall due to corruption and power. The sooner the Ethiopians leave the better. Now tell them to start backing, because the AU troops are already in Somalia, the rest either don't want to deploy their troops to Somalia or they simply are lacking financial support. Either ways, that isn’t a reason for Ethiopia to remain in Somalia.

“Terrorists” ? “Al Qaida”? “Insurgents”? “Somali Army”? Such repulsive words and none of them describe Somalis or Somalia, yet Azhari uses them like he has just learned them yesterday....I am certain he did. Truly, I can tell which one of those two men are more educated and more sincere. How sad, they muted him…Doesn’t he have any respect? Someone should have told him that Al-Jazeera isn’t a Somali café, where he could jabber on and on. And on top of that he has the audacity to insult Al-Jazeera and how it's losing audience (which is a lie). LOL Like a child, he protested that he wasn’t being treated fairly, that he was being asked complicated questions. Let’s be honest do you expect us, say non-tribalistic, more intelligent, quite well enlightened individuals to support a regime which Al-Azhari is a member? I rather support a donkey, heh, i am insulting the poor donkeys. Thanks for the link tahliil. It was fun watching the TFG member make a fool out of himself.

Do you wish that the elders didn't had any meetings with the TFG? Or are you insulting the elders???????

Don’t fall for it bokero. You could learn a lot from Duke You have every right to promote your viewpoint or political agenda by doing say as “some people” do. Personally, I don’t have the time to spend all my time on this site. Nevertheless, I take the time to read the topics I can which are posted on the first page, even if 5 or 8 of them are posted by the same individual. That just gives me more information about there perspective and doesn’t persuade me in any way. Propagandas are informative these days I just can’t stand the pictures which people keep posting, and none of them have any meaning whatsoever, they say they do, but nay.

^^^ LOL OUCH....

Heh, Castro what are you trying to imply there? I am sure Somali women are faithful…with all those long garments, then have no time to easy go around their husbands back and still keep it a secret.

LOL @ Seven year old....I would have boxed his ears out. How could a seven year old even commit a sexually offensive act, unless there is bad influence around him.

I can't stand FOX News....They are plain racists and bigots.....

More than a million American men are investing their love, time, and money in a child who isn't their own. But the worst part about this betrayal? How many people may be in on it. Patrick Connaro, a 42-year-old robotics engineer living in Colorado Springs, was sitting in the bleachers one warm Saturday afternoon in 2003, watching his son's Little League game, when the ground opened beneath him. "My little boy was there, he was up at bat, and I started yelling for him, 'Go Matthew [not his real name]! Knock it out of the park!' And another man started screaming for Matthew. Louder than me. I looked over, and I looked at him, and I was like, Who is this guy? And I looked at my son, and I looked at him … and they were identical." After the ball game, Connaro ordered a paternity test. The results came back 2 weeks later. "I opened up the letter from Labcorp, and it said, ' … 99.9 percent chance you are not the biological father of this child.' I started crying. My head started spinning." Connaro admits that the possibility had crossed his mind before, given his son's dissimilar facial features, but each time he questioned his wife about it, she vehemently denied the suggestion. Even when he showed her the test results, she still denied it. "She said, 'You forged this,' " Connaro recalls, shaking his head in amazement. To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away. "I was so disillusioned, I just didn't know what to say. It was horrible. I don't think anybody could experience what I experienced there." Some call this paternity fraud. But a more accurate term is "paternal discrepancy." Paternity fraud emphasizes the financial aspect of the phenomenon, but paternal discrepancy (PD) describes the anomaly itself—the disconnect between what men think is true and the genetic reality. And research shows that it's a lot more common than we might believe. After recently reviewing 67 studies on the subject, University of Oklahoma researchers found that PD rates tend to be much higher among men who have reason to believe there's been more than one dog in the yard. No surprise there. But leave out these men and you end up with a number that can safely be assumed to represent the rest of us. That number is 3.85 percent. Another review of 19 studies by a group at Liverpool John Moores University backs this up, putting the figure at 3.7 percent of dads. It may not seem like a lot—until you do the math. According to a 2005 U.S. Census Bureau report, there are 27,940,000 fathers nationwide with a child under 18. That means over a million guys out there are taking care of some other man's kid. Compared with this, infidelity by itself is a mere white lie, a misdemeanor, maybe even forgivable. But this … this lie unravels years of commitment in a single stroke. Does forgiveness even apply here? There are those who believe that biology shouldn't make a difference, that fatherhood is just a social construct. Connaro himself refuses to let genetics stand between him and his son. "I'm the only man that he knows as his dad," he says. "Why should I lose that bond and that love?" Many men in Connaro's position might not feel the same way. Studies show that evolution has designed men to care deeply about who their children are. In 2003, for instance, researchers at the State University of New York at Albany recruited 20 men and 20 women, then morphed their facial features with photographs of children. Subsequent testing showed that the women responded equally to photos of kids whose faces resembled theirs and those that resembled the faces of strangers. The men, on the other hand, reacted far more positively to children whose faces resembled their own. "It's not reproductively beneficial to invest all your resources in a child who is not carrying on your genetic line," says study author Rebecca Burch, Ph.D. "Men throughout the history of the species who have invested all their time and energy in children who weren't theirs no longer have genes in the population." They are, in other words, extinct. When the stakes are this high, there is no greater deception than PD. It's a lie that reaches right down to your chromosomes, and when the truth finally comes out, the revelation can be devastating. Seven years ago, on an otherwise idyllic summer Saturday afternoon, Tony Winbush, 34, was throwing a football with his 5-year-old son in the backyard of his home in Tallahassee, Florida, when he discovered he was not the child's father. The boy himself told Winbush. "He said, 'My mom told me that I have two dads.' I said, 'Son, you can't have but one dad. I'm the only dad you've got.' He said, 'That's what my mama told me—I have two.' " Within a month, the family ceased to exist. "It got to a point," says Winbush, "where it bothered me so bad, I had to seek psychiatric help." But while men may be the primary victims of PD, women aren't the only villains. Paternal discrepancy makes liars of everyone, and that includes the people from whom we'd most expect the truth. Morgan Wise, a 44-year-old train engineer from Big Spring, Texas, might have remained ignorant forever if his fourth child hadn't been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis (CF). Presumed to be a carrier of the CF gene, Wise had his own DNA tested to identify which of the many gene mutations of the disease the boy had inherited. (There are more than 1,000.) The test revealed that Wise was not a carrier, which could only mean one thing: This was not his child. CONTINUED: "I nearly fell out of my chair …" Keep on reading AMERICAN WOMEN :rolleyes:

^^^ Let's all pray that never happens

^^^ Since you are making the shuttle, you should consider yourself lucky.... :cool: Come aboard. Let's just hope it works

Said Muhammad Abukar, a mere 40 days old, lay grey and trembling on an operating table in Madina hospital. His tiny stomach was slit down the middle. Doctors were searching for shrapnel in his abdomen. There was a large hole in his lower back. Muhammad Abukar Ahmed, Said’s distraught father, told The Times that eight members of his family had been about to flee from war-torn Mogadishu when a shell hit their house in the residential area of Mahad Alab. The building was destroyed. It took Mr Ahmed, 25, a teacher of the Koran, 15 minutes to dig himself out of the rubble. “I didn’t know if I was going to live, let alone my son,” he said. In the past month Ethiopian troops supporting Somalia’s deeply unpopular Government have pounded residential areas controlled by insurgents. The civilian death toll has reached four figures. Thousands more have been maimed and injured. An estimated 320,000 inhabitants — nearly a third of Mogadishu’s population — have fled in terror. In five days spent in and around a city reverberating with the constant thud of mortars and bursts of gunfire, The Times saw burnt-out slums, huge refugee encampments, hospitals overflowing with the sick and injured, and enough misery to last a lifetime. It is hard to overstate the suffering of this forgotten country. Last year Somalia tasted peace for the first time in 15 years of bloody civil war when the Islamic Courts movement drove out the warlords who had made their country a byword for anarchy and mayhem. But Washington saw the Courts as a new Taleban sympathetic to al-Qaeda, so it conspired with neighbouring Ethiopia to remove them as part of its War on Terror. In December Ethiopia’s formidable army routed the Courts, and installed a Somalian “transitional federal government” that includes some of the very warlords the Courts had ousted, and depends for its survival on thousands of soldiers provided by Somalia’s oldest and most bitter enemy. The new Government is now battling against a growing insurgency, and legions of petrified Somalis are caught in the crossfire. On our first afternoon in Mogadishu we were interviewing doctors at the Madina hospital when we heard explosions. Minutes later a convoy of cars, minibuses and trucks began delivering men, women and children — all civilians — with blood pouring from shrapnel wounds. They were carried, wailing and moaning, into the casualty centre on trolleys, in people’s arms, in crude stretchers fashioned from blankets. They were laid on tables and the lino floor, soaked in their own blood and vomit. The doctors and nurses were soon struggling to cope, sweat coursing down their faces as they bandaged wounds and rigged up intravenous drips in the intense heat. But still the injured came — 30, 40, 50 of them. Amid the pandemonium a man with a stick fought to restrain a mob of frantic relatives. Survivors said Ethiopian troops had fired three shells into a market in a neighbourhood called al-Barakah packed with women buying fresh milk. A dozen were killed outright. The Government says the Ethiopians are responding to insurgent attacks, and that it has warned civilians to leave the insurgent-held areas of Mogadishu. But such horrors have become commonplace, and some European diplomats believe the Government and its Ethiopian backers could be committing war crimes. In the past few days Ethiopian shells have hit a mosque, a minibus, a hospital and HornAfric, Somalia’s leading independent radio station. One night alone 73 people were killed in northern Mogadishu, and in three days last weekend the Madina treated 245 wounded civilians. The casualties fill its foetid wards, corridors and overflow tents, and lie under trees outside. They are people like Ruqio Muse, a 22-year-old mother of three young children who said her thigh was shattered by an Ethiopian sniper’s bullet as she retrieved goods from her clothing stall in one of the city’s battlegrounds. Next to her lie two semi-comatose girls — 16-year-old cousins — whose skin was burnt from their faces by a landmine explosion. Ahmed, 14, has had a leg amputated. Saida Ali Muhammad, 40, had fled Mogadishu with her children but returned to sell milk when she was hit by shrapnel in both legs. “This is shameful,” said her uncle, Farah Rage, as he tried to cool her with a fan. “We are in the middle of two crazy groups, one calling themselves insurgents and the other saying they’re the Government. Both are in concrete buildings so it’s the civilians who die.” Hussein Dhere, the hospital’s despairing deputy director, said his staff were working round the clock and “if this lasts another ten or twenty days we can’t cope. I feel very sorry. Sometimes I’m angry. Our people are dying.” We had first visited Mogadishu early last December, five months after the Courts ousted the warlords, and found a city still rejoicing. Gone were the ubiquitous checkpoints where the warlords’ militias killed, extorted and stole. Gone were their “technicals” — Jeeps with heavy machineguns mounted in the back. Hundreds of Somalis were returning from foreign exile, businesses were reopening, and for the first time in a generation people could walk around safely amid the ruins of their once-fine capital, even at night. The Courts’ leadership undoubtedly contained Islamic extremists with dangerous connections and intentions. They banned the narcotic qat, cinemas, Western music and dancing. But the Courts also achieved the almost impossible task of imposing order on one of the world’s most dangerous cities, and for that most Somalis were content to accept their strict Islamic codes. Today Mogadishu is a warzone once again. The crowds and traffic have melted from the streets. Schools, businesses, roadside stalls and even orphanages have closed. We were the only whites and foreign journalists in the capital, and the first guests in our hotel for three weeks. We had just nine fellow passengers on the only air-line that still dares to fly into the city, and beside the runway stood the wreck of a military transport plane hit by an insurgent rocket. An estimated 20,000 Ethiopian troops are battling against the insurgents — an alliance of Islamic Court fighters and elements of Mogadishu’s dominant ****** clan who control much of the outer city. The Government’s own army consists of barely 5,000 “soldiers” — former members of the warlords’ militias who inspire fear, not confidence. They man checkpoints and stand on corners in central Mogadishu, flaunting their semi-automatics. Many chew qat. Some steal and extort (we twice had to pay bribes at checkpoints). Terrified of insurgent attacks, they remove women’s niqabs — Islamic head coverings — so they can see who is underneath. In December we could move freely around the city, but not now. This time we avoided main roads, used vehicles with tinted windows, and travelled with several bodyguards. Like most inhabitants of Mogadishu, we retreated behind our hotel’s steel gates well before dark. But one day we slipped into the insurgent stronghold of north Mogadishu through the sort of labyrinth of muddy back alleys that thwarted the US rescue effort when two Black Hawk helicopters were shot down over Mogadishu in 1993. Beyond the green line the streets were almost deserted except for young fighters bristling with guns, technicals carrying rocket-launchers, and men left behind to guard the homes of families that have fled. On Industrial Road, a major thoroughfare, we were shown trenches and barricades built to obstruct Ethiopian tanks, burnt-out Ethiopian vehicles, and the charred remains of both a charcoal market and a camp for 1,200 homeless families shelled by the Ethiopians. More than 50 died as fire raged through the camp’s rickety shelters made of wood and plastic sheeting. All that remains is an expanse of ash littered with the blackened remains of cooking pots, lamps and corrugated iron. “My family fled to the countryside,” said Hussain Ibrahim Yusef, a young boy standing alone in the devastation. “We were separated. I don’t know where to follow them.” Another day we drove south from Mogadishu towards Afgoye. The refugee camps started about ten miles out and went on and on — thousands upon thousands of families who are living out in the bush beneath orange tarpaulins or in the open, sheltered from the blazing sun and torrential rainstorms only by trees. These people fled with little more than sleeping mats and the clothes they wore. Food is scarce. Vendors charge extortionate prices for water, so some refugees are drinking from dirty rivers. There is no sanitation, and relief efforts are hampered by the lack of security, poor infrastructure and harassment by government soldiers. We found 1,865 families — perhaps 10,000 people — packed into the 59-acre (24-hectare) grounds of the Lafole Hospital alone. Hawa Abdi, 60, the doctor who runs the hospital with her daughter, said children there were suffering from dysentery. One adult and four children had died. Pregnant women were suffering miscarriages. Supplies were running out. “We need peace. We need help,” she beseeched. We also found the new makeshift premises — a few corrugated iron shacks — of the Hayat hospital and nursing school which we had visited in Mogadishu last December. Abdirahman Figi, the hospital chief, said the Ethiopians had shelled it, stolen its money and medicines, then commandeered it for barracks. He said thousands of refugees were at risk from the onset of the rainy season and then winter. “The Islamic Courts brought peace and we were happy,” he said. The new Government was “worse than the warlords”. In five days we spoke to scores of ordinary Somalis. Overwhelmingly they loathed a government they consider a puppet of the hated Ethiopians. “As long as the Ethiopians are on Somali soil the insurgents will get support,” said Muhammad Ibrahim, a gardener now living with his wife and three children at the Lafole hospital. “In the six months the Islamic Courts were here, less than 20 people lost their lives through violence. Now that many die in ten minutes,” said Hussein Adow, a businessman waiting outside the Madina hospital. The Ethiopians had closed the main road back to Mogadishu, so we took a deeply rutted dirt track through the bush. We saw columns of black smoke rising above the distant city, and passed countless vehicles struggling southwards with yet more refugees. Back in the capital we visited another hospital, the Benadir, and saw some of the most harrowing scenes of all. There were no beds. In one bare room after another the concrete floors were covered with emaciated children lying on filthy rugs, tended by desperate mothers. There were 700 of them, most under 5, all suffering from dysentery and cholera contracted in the refugee camps. Nowhere in Somalia is safe any more. Rise and fall of the Islamic Courts Mid-1990s Union of Islamic Courts (UIC), a group of local courts, gained popular support by beating corruption and bringing order March-May 2006 Worst violence in almost a decade between rival militias June UIC militias seize Mogadishu from warlords. US fears region could fall under the sway of al-Qaeda September UIC and Government begin peace talks in Khartoum December From its base in Baidoa the Government, backed by Ethiopia, fights with Islamists and drives them from Mogadishu January 2007 US attacks suspected al-Qaeda positions in southern Somalia. Islamists abandon last stronghold, port town of Kismayo March African Union peacekeepers arrive April 320,000 Somalis have fled Mogadishu since February, UN says Source: Times archives http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article1706367.ece WATCH THE VIDEO AS WELL

Saxib what we face is a dumb enemy who thinks they can out gun a real army. This is their downfall and the people are rejoicing. This coming from a man who supports Ethiopian fanatics who are hellbent on causing death and destruction. LOL Priceless....

TFG is running out of time faster then they expected. Militarily, they have no one to turn to. Since, now even Ethiopia can’t do the work for them. The people despise them, for they have shown not a single sympathy when they were getting killed indiscriminately, shelled or forced out of their homes. They have all labeled them looters, rapists and killers, terrorist and such demeaning words. They aren’t capable of reconciliation, no surprise there. It isn’t in their best interest after all. They are incompetent in anything that has to do with nation-building. They were the ones who destroyed Somalia. They have no intentions of rebuilding it. The TFG will only be known for been an ineligible regime which brought Ethiopia to Somalia and gave it the upper hand. A regime which was for the criminals and not the victims, a regime which was for injustice and against justices and a regime which sought out to slaughter its own people…..What Shame....A regime never seen before....

Dictatorship....sorry not working...

How to be an obedient puppet.........

LOL first it was April...we will clean Mogadishu in a week...then it was May...yeah...just give us few more weeks, Ethiopians will clean Mogadishu and now it's till June...LOL what a joke....

So, the massacre still is on.... How long will it take the mighty Ethiopians to defeat few kids? Never......

Some people have no sense of direction. Those who support killers based on clan are the worse humans on earth. How do you support something that is immoral?

LOL Digi, they are worried about one hut, when they are selling the whole nation to the lowest bidder...

Lies, there are plenty of people who have gotten their property back...the TFG have done NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE! what is it three, two years now? The TFG have proven that they don't care for the people...The Ethiopian shelling they support proves that...So don't act as if these warlords are for the people or justice for that matter. They are the same people who made Somalia what it's today...yey is on top of the list of criminals.....

He could keep it for now. He probably has my houses too....But that is not the cuase of the fighting...Why didn't they fight the ICU for that, after all the ICU was returning the stolen property back to their rightful owners....Why didn't a war erupt? Common Sense duke...you are fooling no one with your property arguement....

LOL! Destruction never seen before is going on today, thanks to the TFG...more innocent lives are being lost...all for what? to have a corrupted puppet regime dictate us Somalis? Please.....

House? property? Somalia has enough space to house 10 million more people. Stop talking about your hut.... No one is fighting for that, go get it, if you want to.

Killing? killing? more killings? will bring back Somalia. Today Somalia is ten times worse than 16 years ago....So don't even comment on those years....