May they rest in peace... The TFG should be ashamed, they didn't even consider the fate of people the claim to be representing before bring Ethiopian Troops and MIGs into Somalia.

A month or so ago, a group of Somali Members of Parliament held a press conference in Mogadishu and produced a map they claimed was a leak from Prime Minister Geddi’s office in Baidoa. The map was an illustration of Ethiopia and Somalia as one country. Incredible! I told myself as did, I am sure, most Somalis who had come to know of it. Then last week Vice Prime Minister Hussein Aidid shared with a group of elders a supposedly Government-envisioned plan to dissolve the long disputed border between Somalia and Ethiopia and institute one passport and one security system for the two countries. The following day, Mr. Dinari, the Transitional Federal Government’s chief spokesman, denied Mr. Aidid’s statement and termed it “too early,” opening the door for the possibility it just might happen one day in the future. Add to the mix the following depiction of Al-Imam Ahmed Gurey in a recent article by a leading Somali thinker and essayist: The Imam’s army marched through Ethiopia, looting and destroying churches including the Axumite Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion where Ethiopian emperors had been coroneted for years…. Ethiopia, by contrast, comes out with flying colors: The walled town of Harar, with its 99 mosques, thrived for generations under the Ethiopian rule as the most important seat of Islamic learning in the Horn of Africa. Further, and perhaps to drive his point home, the author chooses to call the Imam Ahmed Gran, an Ethiopian preference. What do the quotes from the article and the aforementioned items have in common? They together are a sign of the times, the odor in the air, and the taste in the mouth. Standing alone and in former times, they would have come across as frivolous. But they fit a pattern. From Barre’s Opposition crossing over to Ethiopia, and thereby breaking a taboo, to the Transitional Federal Government inviting Ethiopian troops into the country, an unmistakable trend continues with no end in sight. Through thick and thin, and in the loneliest moments of agony and despair, many Somalis nursed the fading flame of hope that one day Somalia would emerge from its long and bloody nightmare healthier and stronger than ever before. We were, as indeed we still are, of the hope that in the new Somalia the identity of the Somali nation would return intact and inviolate. As is true of all other nations, our present cannot be divorced from our past. Our fears and desires, our dreams and national aspirations, our collective psyche, are all products of our history. And if you examine that history, you will find that one thing, more than any other, defines the Somali nation and bestows upon it its enduring character: defiance of Ethiopian domination. Our flag, our national songs, our school curricula, our folk tales, are together an embodiment of that national identity that sets Somalis apart from other, some much larger, nations long gobbled up and lost into the Ethiopian night. I now ask whether that majestic face of years ago has been dealt a mortal blow. Some say this is a new Ethiopia, very unlike the Ethiopia of Heile Selase and Mengistu, and that we should not worry. The Ethiopian Soldiers will go home: They are here just to help us restore authority. I hold the view that, essentially, there is no new Ethiopia. With the Ethiopian throne comes a vast inheritance of territories gained through conquest and as gifts by colonial powers. And it is the forcible holding of unwilling nations that will continue to shape Ethiopian policy towards Somalia. Ethiopian interest lies in a feeble, quiescent Somalia. Meles may have been Somalia’s friend when he needed it, but now the trappings, the lure, the dictates, of power get in the way. Why would he let a prostrate Somalia off the hook? Here and there, now and again, a little bit at a time, a hint or two emerge. As I write this article, there are reports that the commander of the Somali troops in Hiran and Middle Shabelle Regions, Col. Mukhtar Hussein Afrah, has been arrested by Ethiopian soldiers. Do I need to go into the implications of this portentous incident? Things are happening a lot sooner than I thought they would! Is this the writing on the wall, a harbinger of things to come, the ways of the future? A few days ago, Prime Minister Geddi assembled former Somali military officers and exhorted them to forget what had happened between Somalia and Ethiopia. Ethiopian officials have talked of Ethiopia building a police force for Somalia. The important Ministry of the Interior is held by one (Aidid) who has already made his grand vision clear. Will the TFG renounce territorial claims against Ethiopia in a comprehensive treaty? Will the flag be redesigned (the pentagram altered to some grotesque figure)? Will the school syllabi be rewritten (changing, among other things, Gurey to Gran and lauding Ethiopian rule over Harar)? Let’s wait and see. Ethiopian troops will leave, but they will leave behind a government beholden to it and a country in shackles. There is already a vast network of Ethiopian ties with various warlords, underlings of warlords, former police and military officers, and many other potential leaders. Amble evidence abounds that high-ranking officials of the TFG have their own private channels of communication with Ethiopia. Even more ominous is the specter of a new Somali security force packed with Ethiopia’s men, as it were. Make no mistake about it, the menacing nightmare of a government where even the President dare not make a move that can rub Ethiopia the wrong way towers redoubtably over all other possibilities. And then, if God forbid, this comes to pass, we will be truly done for. And yet, and yet, with all my qualms and bitterness, I would resign myself to fate, nay, to reality if I could only see the winter of despair giving way to a spring of hope. This is emotional you may say, and you may be right. The argument that we should refrain from emotional expressionism merits attention. Extreme emotions like rage and euphoria dull the mind and lead to rash action and irrational behavior. There are, however, emotions humanity should like to keep. Love is an emotion; happiness is an emotion; kindness is an emotion; piety to God is partly an emotion. Emotion is what spurs us to action. Without emotion, there would be no art, no literature, no music, and humans would be mere heartless automatons; life would be boring and listless. It is hard to imagine men and women stripped of emotion. Notions of pride and dignity, now mocked as empty words, are based on emotion. Emotion is what spurs man and woman to act, and to give life and limb to remain free. Great leaders have recognized emotion as a valuable means to stir nations. Laden with raw emotion, Churchill’s great speeches of World War II led the British to their finest glory when they stood against Hitler. And just as Churchill was provoked by a fear of domination so are we; for we perceive Ethiopia no less an enemy than Germany was to Britain, and we perceive ourselves no less human than the British. Link

Castro I like your cut and paste articles, do you mind if I join the group of “cut and paste” Gunfire near Ethiopian troop base in Mogadishu MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Sporadic gunfire rattled around an area of Mogadishu on Wednesday morning a day after the latest attack on a building there housing Ethiopian and Somali government troops, witnesses said. Residents cowered behind walls in the Kilometer Four area, but it was unclear who was behind the shooting that began before dawn. "It reminds me of the days of the warlords when they fought over K4 and you could not move from one corner to another," one resident said http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-01-10T060750Z_01_L09770013_RTRUKOC_0_US-SOMALIA-CONFLICT.xml The clock is ticking.

He is the terrorists, does he wish to obey the Americans forever, or will he ever be a man and stand for himself so America could lynch him like Saddam.

They are sure to make the same mistakes, but the results are going to be deadly.

What pisses me off is Aisha Yusuf, Walahi he is on a leash like the dog he is, licking the ground the Ethiopian and American rulers walk on. He actually said the Americans can bomb any terrorist they want in Somalia. I pray to Allah that this man dies while he is hanging from a tree and he could be the piñata, give the people baseball bats that have nails sticking out of them and beat the wasted human flesh to death. I will be so happy, i have never wished death on any human being but Aisha Yusuf has it coming. He indeed is the Cursed One.

Originally posted by General Duke: Stoic, the TFG is here to stay, it represents all Somali's. Aisha Yusuf wasn’t elected in any popular election but rather a transitional parliament in Kenya. Apart from this it that the transitional government that he was elected by was never actually been elected by the people either. So the only person this puppet regime represents is you and your ilk. So stop spreading lies and propaganda...Soon the TFG will be shown the Door. Yusuf should burn in hell, insha'allah he will.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: ^^^ Hate has a good record of destroying the hater then the hated. I liked you when you were only making counterfeit condemnations, not when you are trying to create your own maxim. Besides the hater is hated by most people. No one likes a hater

Sheikh ICU: 1) You say they were Islaax. –I personally don’t know if that is true, and what you have to say is hearsay. I need some proof of that. You said it yourself. You can’t tell what is in someone’s heart. And I doubt that you could be honest and say with pure certainty that they are Islaaxs. 2) They were Al-Itixaat a group that is part of the Al-Qaida –you have no evidence other than mere accusations which were made by the West. The same accusations about Iraq having WMD 3) The ICU was divided into two groups moderate and extremists –Did those two words exist to describe Muslims before the War on Terror started? You can’t add the word radical and religion together, especially if that religion is Islam. A sheikh like you should know that. When it comes to the kuufaars they should not be dealt with peacefully. Their means of peace is not one which will last long. Second how ruthless were they? Did they behead anyone? Did they captured the warlords or chased them out. We both know that the ICU had the opportunity to kill those warlords, sadly they didn’t, a huge mistake on their part. 4) Closing the schools and sending adolescents to the front lines –those who wanted to go and where 17 and above left, they didn’t draft them nor force them to fight. However closing the schools was completely wrong. But the ICU has no use of sending untrained children to the front lines. 5) Allah only aiding the ‘Just’ individuals –that is not true, we both know that. Allah has repeatedly told us that He will test us, and we will indeed be weak, thou we will be great in number. And that is because of the love we have for this world and not the hereafter, there be few people who are willing to die for Allah’s cause. Today I do see that, people are clutching to their tribes rather than their religion. 6) Where are the leaders? –do you see any leader in the front lines? They say they will wage war, fight the good fight and win it, but they will never be present on the front line. Gedi said ‘we will crush them’ but he isn’t the one fighting, is he? Do you know that Al Qaida was radicalized by America, they have trained them, financially supported them, it was them who were building Al Qaida Madarassa schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The righteousness the ICU has done out-weights the wrongness they are accused of committing. You my friend are going in a circle that is not supporting your argument by rather weakening it. We have a bunch of warlords, who you know are the same ones, who have killed more people than the ICU, robbed more people than the ICU and they have brought most of the destruction. No sane person will agree that these men who are not only warlords but also puppets can rebuild the same nation they have taken the time to destroy. Wearing a Khamis won’t make you a radical and wearing an Armani Suit won’t make you a decent western civilized person. You can’t be morally right if you are siding with Ethiopia or America on an issue concerning a Muslim nation and its people. Sorry sxb.

They have killed 200 people, and they were only looking for 'THREE'. May they all rest in peace.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: quote:Originally posted by Castro: You know what I like about you, Mystic? You take the time to explain the same thing to the same guys over and over and over. Does your patience have no limits? Mine ran out in 2005. Do you ever wonder the students might never understand what you're preaching? Don't give up. What you're doing is a great service to the 1000's of silent readers on this site. Walaahi I observed that as well, she is a great patient person who is firm on her believes and values. And she proved to be sticking with the good principles that has forged her the way she is now. Masha-Allah! Good people can be seen in some bad places, wishing they will alter the badness of others! Castro, I hope i don’t run out of patience, i am sure that if that happens i will resort to repulsive insults and what i gained will be all lost. I am speechless bros. Thanks I guess spending some valuable time with awoowa and ayeeyo taught me to be patient and not to aggressive to others who are opposing my views.

Sheikh Let’s make it quick, what was wrong with how the ICU were interpreting Islam? And just how are they terrorist? You just can’t call them terrorist because the West does. So far they have no prove that links Al Qaida with the ICU. We need prove. For most of you that word is not yet part of your vocabulary. Where are the WMD in Iraq? America along with the UN were given the chance to search for WMD in Iraq, they haven’t found them because they don’t exist. The ICU has welcomed America and the world to come to Somalia and search every corner possible, for there won’t be any Al Qaida running around. America had refused, because they known splendidly well that they won’t find them in Somalia. There intentions is to make terrorism an excuse to bomb and invade any nation they so desire. I haven’t defended any of those groups you ramble on about and I never defended Al Qaida, for I know quite well that suicide is a sin. I am talking about the ICU and you calling them terrorists. Don’t fool yourself Al Qaida is just a hoax, if America really wanted to capture Osama they would have went with full military force into Afghanistan, but today we know that there are more US troops in Iraq than Afghanistan where they say Osama is hiding. The only thing you know about what knowledge I hold and on what subjects is something I haven't shed light on yet, that partially has to do with you not being much of a challenge and besides stop with the falsified accusations.

Ha, it wasn't meant to be, Poor Aisha Yusuf.

An old gizzard, that will soon die of old age and @$$-kissing.

What you say is of little intelligence. Insulting those who are trying to bring Allah’s Law just shows what kind of muunaafiq you are.

Duke the man who can’t see past his tribal orbit, how did Ethiopia, one of the poorest nation on earth manage to have MIGs, well trained army and military equipments? Wasn’t it America who was supporting them and still do with millions if $$$$? Wake up lazy qaxooti . Your naivety is dangerous. You would have died a long time ago if it was a disease.

Sheikh How did you manage to have such high hopes and expectations for a man who came riding on Ethiopian tanks? You possibly can’t be confident that these puppets will bring any kind of peace to Somalia. Wishful thinking is all you are doing, but heh you are free to do so.

LOL the government is the Terrorist. Silly you.

Military wise we don’t stand a chance, but I know for a fact that no American soldier can set foot in Somali soil. But I doubt that they are intending on bring their troops to Somalia. They will let the Ethiopian and puppet regime troops tackle Somalia and enforce their laws and occupational forces on the ground, while America limits itself to air strikes. Am I wrong to call this World War Three? But I still don’t know what their intensions are?????

I always knew American death squads where behind the murders that were being committed against the Sunnis and Shias. America’s worse nightmare is to have the Shias and Sunnis unite against them, and force them out of Iraq. How long will their old tricks work, before they are run out of any more deceitful tactics? :cool:

Priceless, now in order for them to divide us, they label the innocent Somali people they have killed Al Qaida members. They will only radicalize the Somalis. Those they are killing are fellow Somalis who are fighting for their country and religion. Somalia or Somalis were any threat to America yet they managed to attack us for reasons that are unknown. Djibouti needs to evict American forces out of their land immediately. Otherwise Djibouti is the enemy who is assisting a greater enemy.

Lol Castro, America won’t easily give-up on Somalia and won’t rely on Abdullahi Yusuf and his crew to finish the job for them. A regime that is being sheltered from their own people won’t last long, there are sure to be some internal conflicts which will even divided the TFG further and may result to their collapse. However, I fear that the Ethiopian soldiers may wear UN-Uniforms and claim to be representing the UN instead of Ethiopia, because Uganda can’t afford to send Peace-keeping troops to Somalia and I am not aware of any other country that is prepared to send their troops to Somalia. Most of America’s allies are preoccupied in either Afghanistan or Iraq. There is hardly anyone left who has enough man power and is financial fit to help America installed their puppet regime in Somalia.

Where are the government troops, sitting somewhere chewing on grass like the goats they are? Only a person who doesn’t want to be identified and has a reputation other than a killer will only hide his face….I won’t be surprised if these masked men are either from the TFG or Ethiopia.

I think they are soon going to take out the old man and replace him with one who is even more dense than him.