Originally posted by MoonLight1: the guy on the first pic sitting on the armoured vehicle looks like Roobow abuu mansuur, we did not see him since he was demoted. Hahaha! You took it right from my mouth. He certainly does look like Abu Mansur

Allahu Naxareesto!

Allahu Naxareesto!

Originally posted by me: RR, No they were not if you checked the news reports you would know that this battle took place outside the town. The pictures posted on this thread confirm that also. On Friday, rebels from two militant groups, the Shabab and Hizbul Islam, said they had wrested control of Wabho, the town in central Somalia, from pro-government moderate Islamists, known as Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jama, in a day of heavy mortar and machine-gun exchanges, witnesses said. “We have pounded mortars on the infidels and entered the town from all sides,” said Sheikh Muse Arale, a spokesman for Hizbul Islam. “Wabho is now under our control.” http://www.nytimes.c om/2009/06/06/world/ africa/06somalia.htm l?ref=global-home The war happened in Wabxo, Galgaguud

Originally posted by me: quote:Originally posted by Recovering-Romantics : quote: Originally posted by me: Hassan, Dahir Aways is not doing anything in particular that is different then what all commanders through the ages have done. These men were soldiers who came to battle knowing the consequences of war. The came prepared, knowing that they could be killed and they in turn were prepared to kill. They have died fighting for what they believed to be true. And as soldiers they deserve that respect and they should not be used as propaganda material. Have the decency to remove these pictures. It is against the rules of the forum to post pictures like that. Even though I disagree with parading the pictures of the dead around, I don't think that those who kill innocent women and children deserve any respect. God will hold them accountable for their actions inshallah. RR, You have mastered the art of missing the point. Stick to the topic at hand. I do not see any women and children on those pictures. Only soldiers that died in battle. Well, those soldiers were fighting with a civilian town. Weren't they?

Originally posted by me: Hassan, Dahir Aways is not doing anything in particular that is different then what all commanders through the ages have done. These men were soldiers who came to battle knowing the consequences of war. The came prepared, knowing that they could be killed and they in turn were prepared to kill. They have died fighting for what they believed to be true. And as soldiers they deserve that respect and they should not be used as propaganda material. Have the decency to remove these pictures. It is against the rules of the forum to post pictures like that. Even though I disagree with parading the pictures of the dead around, I don't think that those who kill innocent women and children deserve any respect. God will hold them accountable for their actions inshallah.

He is not dead.

Evil men never die. They take a hit and resurface again.

Allahu Naxareesto. Suuqa Bakaraha has become the graveyard of Somali Journalists.

Somalis Watch Obama's Speech in Mogadishu

Originally posted by me: Can you not see that what you are posting here is clan propaganda? I am not sure whether you can not read between the lines or whether you think that the goal justies the mean. Xasa Mahdi : Dadka waqooyiga Muqdisho waa gaalo dhiigoduna wuu banaan yahay" That sentence says it all. What you posted here is nothing short of clan propaganda in a 'religious' packaging. Is this what the supporters of the TFG and Sharif are resorting to today? Bro, let's hope that this story is not true. The last thing Mogadishu and Somalia need is descent back to the clan-warfare of the 90s.

Why the World Cares More About Somalia's Pirates than its People A warning this week from the British aid group Oxfam that the humanitarian crisis in Somalia is the worst in Africa is not new. Last year, the U.N. called the situation in the Horn of Africa nation the world's worst. But Oxfam's is a much-needed reminder of the scale of the catastrophe. One million Somalis are refugees. Two million need food. For most of these, malnutrition rates are beyond the U.N. threshold definition of an emergency. Around 400,000 refugees are in a single sprawling camp at Afgooye outside Mogadishu; 70,000 have arrived in the last month after fleeing the latest round of fighting in the capital. A further 275,000 have fled south to Kenya and live in three camps at Dadaab in the north of the country originally meant for 90,000; the U.N. High Commission for Refugees says 7,000 more Somalis also arrive there each month. Hassan Noor, Oxfam's Humanitarian Coordinator for Somalia, says: War, drought and malnutrition are thrusting Somalia towards even greater catastrophe. Living conditions in Afgooye are some of the worst I have ever seen. I couldn't see a single shelter fit for human beings, and thousands of people have nothing to sleep under or protect them from the searing heat and heavy rains. I saw sick children lying on the floor with diarrhea and disease. I saw a young girl who had been shot in the head, fleeing with her family. People told me they expect the situation to get even worse in the next few weeks hat sounds like a situation in which to invoke the international responsibility to protect. Adopted at a U.N. World Summit in 2005, "R2P" sets out in law the reasons and duty for international intervention: if a nation commits, or is unable to prevent, massive human rights abuses on its soil. Other, lesser African disasters do qualify for R2P intervention, in the form of large peacekeeping forces. The U.N. has authorized 26,000 troops for Darfur, where massacres are common and 2.5 million people need aid (and mostly receive it). It has also authorized another 20,000 for the Democratic Republic of Congo, where human rights abuses are rife and millions are intermittently made refugees. Somalia would seem to be another case in point. After 18 years of war between rival clans, warlords and Islamists, the latest round in this Byzantine bloodbath pitches the Islamist government against marginally more extreme Islamist rebels to whom it was allied until last year. Not that the terms 'government' and 'rebel' really apply to Somalia. Both groups control little more than a few blocks of Mogadishu and a handful of small towns and neither has much function — or often, it seems, ambition — aside from fighting the other. Meanwhile, the country exists in a violent and anarchic vacuum, a place that has gone 18 years without a government, which is an al Qaeda sanctuary and destination of choice for hundreds of foreign jihadists, and where millions need food but where 40 aid workers have been killed since the start of 2008. Somali expert Ken Menkhaus, political science professor at Davidson College, calls it the "longest-running instance of complete state collapse in the post-colonial era." And what does Somalia receive? Around 4,800 African Union troops from Burundi and Uganda. Last month, the British ambassador to the U.N. assured reporters in the capital of neighboring Ethiopia that although U.N. general secretary Ban Ki-Moon has so far demurred on Somalia, "the question of a United Nations peacekeeping mission remains on the table." Of course, there is a situation in Somalia that has attracted global military intervention, even without the U.N: Piracy. Australia, Bahrain, Britain, Canada, China, Denmark, France, Germany, India, Iran, Italy, Japan, Jordan, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Portugal, Russia, the Seychelles, Spain, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, the U.S. and Yemen have all contributed to the effort to safeguard international sea trade. Currently that involves 25 warships, scores of surveillance planes and tens of thousands of sailors. It's stating the obvious to say the Somali crisis that involves millions of people receives almost no attention while the Somali crisis that involves millions of dollars receives unprecedented military action. (Menkhaus says the pirates raised $20-40 million in ransoms last year. They also cost the shipping industry millions more in hiked insurance premiums.) It's also true that land intervention in Somalia would be immeasurably bloodier than the sea operations underway and the ineffectiveness of peacekeepers in Darfur and the DRC raises big questions over whether such operations can ever be successful. And it is widely acknowledged that finding a lasting fix to either piracy or the humanitarian crisis would require fixing Somalia and that, as President Sheikh Sharif Sharif Ahmed told The Guardian newspaper last month, "is the hardest job in the world." But none of that makes any more palatable — or defensible in international law — the idea that the world's worst humanitarian disaster continues to unfold within sight of its most international military force. "Somehow the rights of ordinary Somalis seem not to count in the international system," says Alex de Waal, program director at the Social Science Research Council in New York. "The Somali issue is framed entirely in terms of other political agendas." http://www.time.com/ time/world/article/0 ,8599,1902866,00.htm l

Originally posted by Fabregas: Oh my lord, the Eritreans have admitted sending troops to Somalia, and they're even shelling Muqdisho society . Meanwhile, the religious pretenders are killing and raping civilians http://www.somaliaon line.com/ubb/ultimat ebb.php?/topic/9/187 95 . I don't know if you listened to the BBC Somali Service yesterday, but the spokesman for Ahlu Sunnah blamed those killings on Al Shabab.

This idea of calling a whole community "gaalo" for political reasoning while using religion as the weapon of choice, not only shows the fraudulent nature of these anarchists but also risks back-firing. Allahu Naxareesto to the mutilated man. God is the best of judges.

The picture of the little girl is indeed heart-breaking. I pray for her speedy recovery.

Originally posted by inspector22: Do you guys even read the links people provide? Masha-allah on what?? The pdf link he attached says nothing about puntland per se, let alone puntland being "the healthiest state in the horn", it illustrates the opposite, that is most of somalia is in a state of alert food shortage. You people are unbelievable, like ostriches who put their heads under the sand, Masha-allah great new kullaha on famine information. One person responded and said "Mashallah" and the rest of the usual suspects followed and poured down their "Mashllah" Such is the extent of parroting on SOL.

Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka: And your the one to decide while sleeping with your ugandan masters under a tank. Iska aamus ninyow I summoned up your positions and its If abdullahi can do then we sure as hell could do too, and what changed is that the presidents clan was switched... And as all those wars for supporting your kinsfolk's aspiration for taking the presidential seat thousands of your folk had to die.... Thats pathetic What is pathetic is pouring out disingenuous cries when you have supported Abdullahi Yusuf yesterday. Personally, I don't care much for this government. Hence, the spectator statement on my location. However, this doesn't mean that we shouldn't point out the falsehood being spread-out against it. Your pet strategic of distortion and lies is not going to work. It never has.

My point still stands, despite the constant whining. Those that supported Abdullahi Yusuf and his Ethiopian masters yesterday, have no moral qualification to talk of humanitarianism today.

Originally posted by Daandurreey: quote:Originally posted by Recovering-Romantics : Correction: Yeey had 30 thousand Ethiopian troops. so you are saying if Shareef get 20K more AMISOM troops (he already has 10K) Hodan will be shelled and captured. ok. you are becoming more confused by your clanish worship of sheeq hotel. loool. No-one is saying anything. Just correcting your delusions.

Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka: quote: As for the "AMISOM SHELLING" the same could have been said of it when Abdullahi Yusuf was the president and the Ethiopians were committing acts of war crimes. Applying the same standards on Abdullahi Yusuf would be useful here. what does that imply? Two things your implying is that, firstly by saying Abdullahi did it too doesnt take out the illegality of those actions.. Whether its Shariif or Abdullahi its wrong full stop. Thats black and white for you. Secondly you assumed I agreed with those actions and think i should apply the same standards. Calshaan markii abdullahi sameyney waan ka amuusna ee kan shariif tuurayana ka aamus... This shows what a deranged childish mind you have. I feel sorry for your folks in Yaaqshid today as your supporting the shellings of their areas and the reason is ? Because Abdullahi did it So when you talk about the shellings in Abdullahi's time was a war crime is beause he was of the wrong clan and if Shariif shells his own kinsfolk then its free for all huh.... Caqligaa baadna maanta ka odhaneysa adoo 'West' jooga. Maskiin waad ka fogtahay but indeed waxbaa kaa dhiman. Ilaahey haka qabto ibtilada aad la jeceshay your own people and your family For once you admitted that bombing civilians is wrong, no-matter who does it. This is a good beginning. Hopefully, Gen Duke and Emperor will join you. Let me state it once again: Bombing civilian areas is wrong no-matter who does it. Finally, I am not “ childish” or “deranged” or any of the laughable name-tags that your pea-sized intelligence conjures up for you. The case of civilian bombardment is a human rights issue. Not an age one. There is no reason members should follow your age-rubric.

Originally posted by General Duke: The Duke has and will forever be for common sense, law and order and self governance for the Somali people. I want my people in Somalia to enjoy what we have in the west. Many derided our support for governance and law for two years and used the holly faith, clan centric ideology, and brute terror for over two years. These people were led Sharif Ahmed he was the symbol of “resistance” that man who was against the spreading of AIDS by AMISOM and who wanted to liberate the nation from ASAMARA. Today he seeks refugee in those “AIDS” prone soldiers and he is at war with Eritrea. Now you can shout all you want the truth is, you have no plan of action and no clue and hence the situation you are in. The people of Mogadishu can do without your ingenious cries. Thanks but no thanks.

Originally posted by Daandurreey: oh my god. so shareef never even had Hodan in the first place? waxeen run miyaa? that is even less than the area yeey controlled with his boys from puntland. shareef is is just done. finished. Correction: Yeey had 30 thousand Ethiopian troops.

Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka: the difference between me and you is that I had the courage to differ when that gov started shelling innocents people but who's blindly supporting Shariif's shelling under the pretence of Abdullahi did it and we can too...... Sad for the folks of Muqdishu who've endured shelling of both administrations and your lack of sympathy for your own folks because the president is of your clan.... Keep prescribing to NGONGE's philosophy of clan is everything Hahahah, You are a supporter of the old quisling. I don't have to know you to understand this. Your desperation is touching. It is also self-evident. I have ALWAYS condemned shelling civilians areas. I have family members that live in Yaqshiid, so I don't need you to tell me to have remorse for them.

Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka: To truly blind yourself from what i just wrote just shows ure childish thoughts. Far waa weyn miyaan kugu sheega inaan taageri jireen marki madaafic lala dhacayey shacab but you summoned your position as if Abdullahi could shell then we could 2..... Now who's amusing, by sadly supporting your clan leader blindly allows you to blindly disregard your folks being killed by the hundreds by SHariif and his Ugandan shells. Hadaadan uu naxeyn dadkaasi then atleast you should own the decency of not fabricating twists about their hardship and suffering Unlike you, NO-WHERE did I ever cheer for or support the Ethiopian or AMISOM bombardment of civilians. I have got families in Mogadishu and specifically in Yaqshiid. Unlike the cartoonish world-view that you live by, the rest of us can see things in much more evolved and complex way. There are plenty of people who support this government and at the same-time condemn acts of massacre against civilians. Things aren't as black and white as you make it to be.

Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka: So my views are biased and tainted because of my clan affiliation rite because i know that where you hinting at..... You only proving that you prescribe to NGONGE's view of clan is everything. Your still a child ee waxaa maskaxda iskaga bixi. Go play fotball and eat ice cream like those of your age. The pious response once again fails to address what I said: that your views conflict and that you have supported the government just 3 months back. As for playing football and eating ice-cream, you don't tell me what to do.