Talk about "repeat a lie a hundred times and it will become a fact." Who has sold Somalia's waters? A very bad case of misinterpretation by the guys at Somalitalk and it spreads like a wild fire. Never mind the territory in question is NOT even part of our maritime territory but rather belongs to the International Waters. Never mind there is no "selling" since the territory doesn't even belong to Somalia but to the UN. Never mind that when it is all said and done, Somalia will be GAINING more territory as a result of this new Claim. But then, some people will rather deal with rumours than facts.

Doolow:Ciidamo ay wataan xildhibaanada Barre Hiirale iyo Max'ud Sayid Aadan oo weerar ku ah G/Gedo oo ay heystaan xoogaga Al-Shabab Doolow(AllPuntland)- Wararka ka imaanaya degmada Doolow ayaa sheegaya in Ciidamo ay wataan Xildhibaanada kala ah Barre Hiirale iyo max'ud Sayid Aadan lagu ururinayo halkaas si ay dib ugu qabsadaan gobolka Gedo oo ay hada maamulaan xoogaga Al-Shabab. Ciidamadan ayay wararku sheegayaan in ay tababar ka heleen saraakil Ethopian ah , waxaana tiro ahaan lagu qiyaasay ku dhawaad 1400-Askari. Xildhibaan Max'ud Sayid oo ka hadlayey diyaar garowga ay ku jiraan ayaa sheegay in ay doonayaan in maamul loo dhanyahay in ay ka dhisaan gobolka Gedo inkastoo maamulkaas qaabka wax la isugu darsanayo aanu sheegin. Xildhibaanka oo wax laga weydiiyey hadii ay dagaal gobolka ku tagayaan maadama ay heystaan gobolka xoogaga Al-Shabab ayaa sheegay in hadii laga fagsan waayo ay dagaalamayaan laakin marka hore ay wadahadal wax ku raadin doonan. Max'ud Sayid ayaa ku eedeyey jaaliyada dibada ee ka soo jeeda gobolka Gedo in ay ka gaabiyaan xalinta mashaakilka gobolka ka jira. G/Gedo waxaa maamul xoogaga ka tirsan Al-Shabaab , waxaana aan la aqoon suurtagalnimada in ay la xaajoodaan xildhibaanada Max'ud Sayid iyo Barre Hiiraale. Xafiiska wararka Muqdisho AllPuntland http://www.allpuntla nd.com/article/anmvi ewer.asp?a=5289&z=2

May 21st 2009 | NAIROBI From The Economist print edition Barely supported by the West, Somalia’s new government may buckle under the latest wave of jihadist assaults WHEN Osama bin Laden issued a rambling audio recording of his views on Somalia earlier this year, the new authorities in the country’s capital, Mogadishu, laughed hard. Mr bin Laden’s thinking on this utterly failed state in the Horn of Africa seemed out-of-touch, even patronising. Yet only a few months after Somalia’s latest “transitional” government was set up amid a rare burst of albeit cautious optimism, Somali radicals linked to al-Qaeda are gaining strength, while moderate Islamists, such as the country’s new president, Sharif Ahmed, are losing ground. A fresh flow of foreign fighters is said to be heading for Mogadishu. Some of them—Americans, Britons and Italians of Somali origin, as well as Arabs, Chechens, Pakistanis and Uzbeks—are no longer being hidden by their commanders but are being eagerly shown off to display the insurgents’ global support. When Ethiopia invaded Somalia with American encouragement in 2006, the aim was to fend off any kind of Islamist threat to Ethiopia and to catch the handful of al-Qaeda people sheltering in the country. The invasion and the ensuing air raids destroyed the first incarnation of Somalia’s jihadists but the second seems to be proving stronger and fiercer. Robbed of their rationale by the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops and by Mr Ahmed’s introduction of sharia law, they are hitting back harder. In the latest fighting in Mogadishu, hundreds more people have been shot dead or injured, and tens of thousands displaced. The insurgents have tightened a noose around the capital by capturing the nearby towns of Jowhar and Mahaday. Such advances now let the jihadists control traffic between Mogadishu and central Somalia. The fighters and their “technicals” (pick-up trucks often laden with heavy machineguns on the back) have also advanced on Beledweyne, a town close to the Ethiopian border. Their aim is apparently not to hold the town but to provoke Ethiopia into sending its troops back into Somalia, which could spur nationwide resentment towards the old enemy and more support for the radicals fighting against it. The Ethiopians are reported to be poised to make incursions back into Somalia. Loosely arranged in cells of 20-30 fighters, the radicals of the Shabab (“Youth”) and Hizbul Islam control much of south Somalia too. Across the country, they get a lot of cash from taxes, from the profits of pirates, from extortion and from donations by Arabs and Somalis in the diaspora. The attackers have also been gingered up by an old Islamist commander, Hassan Dahir Aweys, recently back from exile in Eritrea. He has stirred up his *** sub-clan and served as a rallying point for the radicals, who lack a unifying figure of their own. Machineguns and ammunition, plus anti-tank weapons and plastic landmines that can be used as bombs, have been flown into airstrips controlled by the insurgents across the country, including some near the capital. Intelligence sources say Eritrea has been sending the stuff, possibly with Iran’s help. The Eritreans deny this. The jihadists are hitting Mr Ahmed’s government before it has had time to rebuild its own forces. Western governments have agreed to fork out $213m to set up a 6,000-strong army and a police force of 10,000. But the UN continues to reject pleas—from its own special envoy, Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, among others—for it to send in a serious peacekeeping force, at least big enough to secure the capital and its immediate vicinity, including the airport and seaport. The 4,000 or so Ugandan and Burundian peacekeepers now propping up the shaky government under the aegis of the African Union (AU) are increasingly targeted by suicide-bombers. Some 30 lethal suicide-bombs are thought to have exploded since five went off more or less simultaneously in October in Somaliland, which has managed to remain de facto independent (and fairly well-run) for several years, and in the semi-autonomous Puntland region, where various warlords, few of them jihadist, hold sway. In the quintuple bombing, an American of Somali origin blew himself up. Most bombers use suicide vests or blow up vehicles they are driving; the vest-wearers tend to be foreign. The targets are usually government buildings, ministerial convoys, the AU’s base, businessmen, clerics and Somalis known to oppose the Shabab. Mr Aweys describes the AU peacekeepers as “bacteria” that must be eradicated; whether such xenophobic rhetoric will inspire more Somalis to join the jihadists is unclear. Some observers say Mr Aweys is at risk of being assassinated by radicals who think him too nationalistic for the taste of Mr bin Laden’s globalists. One Somali commander says the aim of his insurgency is to “liberate Islam from Alaska to Cape Town”. As radical fervour has grown in the past three years, many young Somalis now seem to take solace from the idea of a global jihad. “Radicalisation is now mainstream,” says a seasoned monitor of events in Somalia. Young men, often at first lured by money, are then stirred by lectures and sermons into a desire for martyrdom. Many young Somalis in the diaspora, feeling vulnerable in their new countries, are targeted by recruitment videos on jihadist websites. Often persuaded that Ethiopia serves as a proxy for the United States and European countries, some such men have become suicide-bombers. It is feared that attacks carried out by them in Ethiopia’s capital, Addis Ababa, may be followed by similar ones on Nairobi, the capital of neighbouring Kenya, and in such distant places as London. Two of the would-be suicide-bombers in the second planned (but abortive) attack in July 2005 on London were Somali. While Somali pirates are a regional menace, Somali terrorists have international potential. On May 17th several local and foreign jihadists were reported to have been killed in Mogadishu when a bomb-making workshop blew up. Towns captured by the jihadists are brought to order by what the Shabab calls wa’yigelin (“sensitisation”), which has recently included the public amputation of hands for theft, public executions for “collaboration” with Western organisations, and grenade attacks on shopkeepers who show Western or Bollywood films or who play pop music or sell CDs of it. The jihadists also kill human-rights workers and journalists; almost none has returned to Mogadishu under the new regime. Sometimes, however, the jihadists can be more pragmatic. In Baidoa, which used to host the country’s parliament until it was chased away, the insurgents let the locals chew qat, a narcotic leaf that Somalis (and Yemenis) have long enjoyed, if they go from the town into the surrounding desert. But they must then return for a spell of wa’yigelin in the local mosque. If the jihadists win, they will bring in a harsh regime—with ripples across the region. http://www.economist .com/world/mideast-a frica/displaystory.c fm?story_id=13701711

Originally posted by Gabbal: I do not know what it is about Kashafa but the young man is a master of disguise. When the Puntlanders debate with him, automatically whether he has hinted or not he is rebutted with the assumption he is an Afmadoow/Dhagaxbuur fella. Similarly, it has been entertaining to read in this topic Kashafa being rebutted with the assumption he is a Gedonian and is and has been partial towards either Hiiraale or the late president if not both. The irony is he is neither. Well, my initial suspicions still stand. He is fixated on the ills of a specific group and their warlords while lending a blind eye to the crimes and horrors done by others specifically Al Shabab, the warlords of Kismayo and Jubboyinka and moans about the defeat of the Siyad Barre regime. I will continue to call out his insinuations and hypocrisy.

Originally posted by chocolate & honey: quote: If my argument is repetitive, that's because it's working. Don't fix what ain't broke, ma maqashay ? . What I'm here to tell you that it aint working and it is definetly broken. You're fixated on the minute things like where heblaayo ileen waa naage should sit? You'd rather draw blood than admit that you're(and by you I mean the lunatics you dearly support)being petty. And sometimes, it is just a darn good debate strategy to state the facts involved without overshadowing it with all the blah blahs. you're like a chiken without a head, going round and round and thats just aint a good look for someone who wants to put a point accross. Debate 101: you lose your audiance when you speak for the sake of hearing yourself. Hahhahaha It is hard to argue with some-one who makes statements that are directly contrary to the facts. It is a very poor substitute for logic.

Originally posted by Kashafa: Lol@markee geel loo heeso, ari uu heesaa. Gotta remember to use that one. Feeri, eesh mushkila anta ? If my argument is repetitive, that's because it's working. Don't fix what ain't broke, ma maqashay ? But I do agree with you tho that my fixation on politics does govern my views on pretty much everything else. Like take this topic for instance, I could've just given my opinion and bounced, right ? But instead, I took Twisted Logic/RR to the cleaners. Why ? Cuz he had it coming. He needed in xoogaa boor-ka laga jafo. And he may not know it now, but he'll appreciate it in the future. Who said you have taken anyone to the cleaners? Why do you scream so much when I puncture your erroneous arguments? You claimed that we should have never toppled the Siyad Barre regime- you have made mockery of the sufferings and sacrifices of the people of Mogadishu/Middle Shabelle/Hiiraan/Gal gaduud. The fraudulent nature of Al Shabab and Hizb-ul-Islam is very important for us. Our exposure of Al Shabab’s criminal behavior makes you uncomfortable, of course. You would much rather that we cuddle with the cliché of “ compassionate and patriotic Al Shabab” and cheer for the Afworkis, Suicide bombers, Al Qaida operatives and the methodical eradication of the Somali way of life, perpetually. But it is not going to happen. SOL members have absolutely no reason to offer any apologies for hailing the overthrow of the late dictator. You and your pseudo-Jihadist crew talk about “Hiiraan/Galgaduud/M iddle Shabelle/Benadir without any restriction. YOU Don’t get to silence out members when they seek out the scoop on the ills of the Siyad Barre Regime, the corrupt nature of Al Shabab or your endless hypocrisy of supporting the Ethiopian invasion in other forums and playing the pious card here on SOL. As always, you can keep on dreaming. Nothing is proving you right.

Khasfa, Incredibly weak analysis as always! Pray tell me who these “ Sons of Somalia,” are and how much damage they have inflicted on the suffering people of Somalia through their criminal ideology of extremism and hate. These “Sons of Somalia” you hail are grounded in a deeply alarming legacy of destruction and anarchy which has been exposed systematically since the departure of the Ethiopian military; but since they seem to be wrecking havoc in “Hiiraan, Middle Shabelle, and Benadir,” you try to condone their unjustifiable actions. It actually says a lot about your clannish-mindset which prevents you from standing up what is right even when the lives of innocent people are at risk. Amusing how you feel free to insult a specific clan and label them “ wretched kind” and then conveniently hid behind the “ nationalist/religiou s,” drama. It is troubling to see people like you who take the pious costume and try to gleefully rub in the “Hiiraan, Middle Shabelle, and Benadir,” clans’ troubles at such a difficult time in our collective history. You don’t get to tell us whether the defeat of the Siyad Barre regime has made life better or worse for the people of Mogadishu/Hiiraan/Mi ddle Sheblle/Galgaduud/Mu dug. Today our people are not being lined up in Jazira Beach and executed and our rights being taken away. I speak for the people of Mogadishu when I say “Good riddance!” ALHAMDULILLAH for Mohamed Dheere, Abdi Qaybdiid, Gen Mohamed Farah Aideed, Gen Neero, Gen Alasow Dheere and many other leaders of the USC. Some ravaging Secret Police wouldn’t take our people away never to be seen again, command me that I should welcome the late dictator as my Savior, institute genocidal campaigns of bombing cities and towns and poisoning our drinking water and then expect me to sing AABO SIYAD in school next morning. Funny thing is, the more you go berserk about Mohamed Dheere, Abdi Qaybdid, Gen Mohamed Farah Aideed and others, the more you rip your own “nationalist/religio us” pretence apart, the more you show how you can’t be charitable with your criticism and attack the “Hiiraales and Siyad Barres” of your people, the more you show that you are in fact a hypocrite. The fact is simple: You whine about “Hiiraan/Middle Shabelle/Galgaduud/M udug/Benadir problems but try to silence those that talk of Hiiraale’s crimes or the despotic nature of Mohamed Siyad Barre or the anarchist nature of Al Shabab. It has hasn’t worked and it will never work. As for your name-callings, be careful with the personal attack. I am under no moral constrain to put up with you temper tantrums which are a product of your inability to defend your arguments .

Amazing people still support these demonic groups

It was expected. Now all that remains is Abu Turki calling Aweys "kafir/murtad"

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiy aar, Many thanks for the memorable pictures. Greatly appreciated!

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: I just believe there are one group with any chance of uniting and bringing the south under one authority, and extending their rule to all over Somalia! Given a chance, can't this government led by Sharif do just that? Despite, its nationalistic and religious rhetoric, the main goal of Al Shabab is turning Somalia into a Jihadist playground and to spread "the light of Islam" to Japan, Alaska and the Solomon Islands. Hence, the continuous burnings of the Somali Flag and systemic eradication of our Somali way of life. If the main agenda of these anarchists was nation-building and correcting the sadistic situation Somalia finds itself, it would have gained the support of the Somali people. Let's look beyond the usual cries of pseudo-nationalist/r eligious slogans and focus on the true intentions of these Takfiri groups.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^He's not Muslim. Even then, no-one has any right to abuse other peoples' religious views and mock their belief system.

Johnny B, Bro, this blasphemy. You are mocking the words of Allah.

Ismahan, Can you re-size the pictures you have posted? They are enlarging the page.

INTERVIEW-Somali pirate fears good times maybe finished EYL, Somalia, May 26 (Reuters) - Driving a luxury 4x4 car and smoking imported cigarettes with an expensive satellite phone at his side, Mohamed Said fears his flashy lifestyle as a Somali pirate could be about to come to an end. The 35-year-old has no regrets about joining one of the gangs operating out of the pirate lair of Eyl, a former fishing village that overlooks the Indian Ocean and the strategic shipping lanes linking Europe to Asia through the Gulf of Aden. Their attacks have driven up insurance costs and delayed U.N. aid deliveries. But Said's career has brought him riches he could never have imagined as an impoverished fisherman. He and his colleagues have hijacked nearly 30 vessels this year, meaning 2009 is on course to be even worse than last year, when pirates from the Horn of Africa nation seized 42 ships. But the crime wave has prompted a hurried deployment in the region by foreign navies, thwarting several attacks -- and now the weather is turning too, making the seas rougher and the pirates' prey harder to hunt. "My biggest fear is that the piracy business will have to stop. The weather will be terrible in the coming days and the warships have increased in number," Said told Reuters in Eyl. "I have experienced the bitter-sweetness of piracy," he added, pointing out that his car, satellite telephone and speedboat were all paid for with his cut from ransoms. But the last few weeks have not been so successful. He knows he was lucky to get off scot-free after being captured once. "I recently went to sea ... but all of my last three attempts have been in vain. I was even caught by a Portuguese warship, but fortunately they released me and my friends." THREAT FROM WARSHIPS NATO forces have been disarming and releasing gunmen detained during its anti-piracy operation. Said is well aware that if it had been a different warship, he might well be dead, or facing trial in a courtroom far from home. Last week, a Somali teenager accused of holding a U.S. ship's captain hostage during a foiled hijacking denied 10 charges in New York including piracy and kidnapping. [iD:nN21495425] Abduwali Abdukhadir Muse was the sole surviving accused pirate after the U.S. military said its snipers shot dead three of his companions during an operation to rescue the captain. Even after the weather improves, Said worries that the foreign navies might make the pirates' business impossible. "If dozens of warships remain in our waters, our work will be as futile as a chameleon trying to catch a fly," he said. Lighting an imported Benson & Hedges cigarette and unwrapping a roll of leafy khat, a mild narcotic popular in the Horn of Africa, he says he is holding out for his share in a $1.7 million ransom being demanded for a hijacked German ship. At small cafes on Eyl's dusty, unpaved streets, pirates are also swapping gossip about negotiations in progress for the release of a Dutch ship. The buccaneers want $2.5 million, but the owners have only offered $1.5 million so far. "If they give me some cash I will clear my debts. You know khat is expensive here," he said, chewing on a twig from the bunch wrapped in banana leaves, then puffing on his cigarette. "Those who have must enjoy their earnings, while the have-nots die of hunger and worry," Said added with a shrug. "I wish this merry life would last forever. But I'm afraid that circumstances may force me to give up piracy completely." Source: Reuters, May 26, 2009

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^You keep repeating tired and baselss talking points. There is much bloodhsed in Mogadishu, civilians are fleeing and the city is being shelled. Hundreds have died of never eneding war from Galgaduud to the Bakara market. Sharif Ahmed is president and he is hiding behind AMISOM Ugandan tanks. He is holding only Villa Somalia and his ministers are in AdiSS begging for support or as you stated being "pressured" tp get support. Yusuf old region is peacefull Sharif Ahmed is bussy liberating Jowhar And the parrot loses its rhythm Sharif has inherited the mess from your god-father Abdullahi Yusuf who you happen to think that he is the greatest man in the whole wide world. You supported Abdullahi Yusuf when he was in Villa Somalia being slapped around by Gen Gabre and his buddies. Besides, Abdullahi Yusuf couldn't control Mogadishu with the help of 35 thousand Ethiopian Troops, so why go around criticizing a 3 and half month old government that has less than 2 thousand troops, if you agenda is not rooted in clan? Rest assured, when Sharif's time is up, he won't become a refugee in Yemen. Instead he will return to his home and oh by the way, save the crocodile tears. We got to learn about how much you care about the suffering people of Mogadishu when Abdullahi Yusuf was using Ethiopians to massacre them.

Originally posted by General Duke: He has been “pressured” so he cant resign ? Is he being pressured to be an out and out hypocrite? Everything he supposedly fought against he is doing right now. The most incompetent leaders in Somali history is Sharif Ahmed. Next he will call for Ethiopian tanks and it will be because of the “pressure”. We already had the worst president in Somali history in Abdullahi Yusuf. Tell me duke, how many presidents get slapped around in their own presidential palaces by Ethiopian generals

Originally posted by NGONGE: RR, Are you suggesting that the Somali President is a sitting duck that can't deal with his own opposition (the anarchists) nor dictate to his supporters (the International Community)? Good robust defence there. This government is less than 4 months old and doesn't have the required muscle to defeat the anarchists as of yet, especially when they have International Jihadists in their ranks. The supporters of the Sharif are the Somali people. Can you tell me who the supporters of Al Shabab are

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ So did he or did he not? Right it is all speculations. But the International Community has made it clear that it won't lend a blind-eye to the situation in Somalia if the anarchist groups continue their mayhem. Hence, it will only a matter of time before the AMISOM troops are increased and given UN Helmets with a mandate to pursue and engage the extremist groups. The problem lies squarely on the shoulders of the anarchist groups who have rejected calls to come to the negotiating table and also the calls by the Islamic Clerics.

A misleading title. Sharif was pressured to accept foreign support in dealing with these anarchist groups. Hadalka madaxweyne Shariif ayaa sii cusleeyey wararki maalmahan la isla dhax marayey ee ahaa in faraglin lagu sameeyo xaalada ka sii dareysa ee Soomaliya , waxaan hadalkisa dad badan ku micneeyen in uu ogolaaday in la fara galiyo Soomaliya.

Originally posted by me: quote:Originally posted by Recovering-Romantics : me, Bro, you are approaching the problem from a very laughable angle. If Eritrea stops its involvement in Somalia today, the anarchists and extremists groups in Somalia will be defeated and we would recover from almost 20 years of war and anarchy. But, you see it different, since Sharif is a "kafir," and his government is "rida," right? I asked you a direct question and you seem not capable of answering it. So I will give you a graphic example, maybe this will help you. Let’s simplify the situation. Imagine Somalia is a weighing scale and that we have differing measures on this scale. Let’s say on the right side of the scale there is 2 kilo’s and on the left scale there is 2 kilo, imagine that we take out 1 kilo out the left scale, what will happen? Yes, the right side will go down, while the left side is in the air. We will get an imbalance. This means that if your wish of no Eritrean help for Somalia comes true that Ethiopia will benefit. Since Ethiopia will have its way. Do you support Ethiopia RR? Is Ethiopia your ally? hahaha Your weighing-scale analogy is as laughable as your theory that Eritrea is Somalia's Best Friend For Life. Everyone knows Eritrea has its own interest. If you haven't heard this before, let me tell it to you: THERE ARE NO ETHIOPIANS FIGHTING IN SOMALIA. Al Shabab and Hizb-ul-Islam's wars are not Somali-based war. They want to emulate the Afghani Taliban and impose their draconian laws upon on our people. You know no soccer, no stores open during salat times, pants worn at the right length, Burqas, Akhii Akhii talk. The Somali flag will be burned and replaced with a black one. You mayor will be Abu Abbas bin Afghani. If Sharif loses ths war, it won't just be another Somali government dethroned. It will have a destabilizing effect throughout the region, and if you seriously think that the World would just sit back and watch Somalia turned into an anarchic playground for International Jihadists with visions to bring the "light of Islam" to Alaska and Japan, then you are in a worse shape then I thought.

Not a news really. Dr Omar Iman Abukar has moved to his original position in that group since Aweys came back from Eritrea. It doesn't change anything in Somalia.

me, Bro, you are approaching the problem from a very laughable angle. If Eritrea stops its involvement in Somalia today, the anarchists and extremists groups in Somalia will be defeated and we would recover from almost 20 years of war and anarchy. But, you see it different, since Sharif is a "kafir," and his government is "rida," right?

Originally posted by me: I asked you a direct question do not run around the mill, get to the point. Who will benefit? Bro, no-one is "running around," I am simply surprised by your ignorance; hence, my long reply to you. The short answer to your problem would be Eritrea. When it is all said and done, Somalia won't come out alive.

Originally posted by me: RR, I think that I can safely assume that you don’t like Eritrea’s role in the Somali conflict. Lets see what would happen if Eritrea stopped helping the Somali people. Imagine if there was no more help from Eritrea who would benefit? Do you think that Ethiopia may benefit? Do you think that just because Eritrea stopped helping the Somali that Ethiopia will stop meddling in Somali affairs? Who do you think liberated Somali from the Ethiopian occupation? And how did they achieve that? By throwing sticks and stones maybe? The wise decision would be to disconnect ourselves from BOTH Ethiopia and Eritrea. Eritrea "helping" the Somali movement against the Ethiopian occupation has nothing to do with Eritrea's supposed love for the Somali people, which she continues to bully by the way in Djibouti, but BASED on her own strategic interests. If Ethiopia supports NY Yankees, Eritrea would support the Boston Red Sox, simply to irritate Ethiopia and vice versa. It says nothing of Eritrea's love affair with the Somali people. Somalia was liberated as a result of the blood of the Somali people and the sacrifices made by our people. Sure Eritrea hosted some members of the ARS, but it did so based on her own interests. Talk to any commander of the ICU or member of the ARS and they would tell you how many times Eritrea turned down Somali request for weapons and money, why? because it wanted to prolong Ethiopia's involvement in Somalia. Now once Ethiopia leaves, it starts to increase its support to Somali extremist groups 10 fold. One would hope that you know why.