Hilarious

I think faraxs u soo galey I rest my case here and now.

Originally posted by Emperor: I know more men than you do and infact interacted with many chewers than you, if you are not a heavy chewer yourself LOl only kiding, typo sort of thing, paas, forget it Maybe you should not kidding about these things :mad: About the figure: Go back and re-read what I originally wrote before you are claiming I'm wrong because this figure was estimated and calculated by BBC world, the home office, dispatcher, the guidance etc not me . Read it Yourself: 1)http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/extra/series-1/smuggling_drugs_khat.shtml 2http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/rdsolr4705.pdf

what i think?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by NinBrown: Ismahaan u tellin every ten somali men you know nine of the chew khat.....is that what you sayin...well i guess you know the wrong people. I worked on a research project about khat and Somalis....we had 5 controls for every 1 subject i.e we had 5 times more non-khat chewers. what you got to understand is that statistics can be spinned evryway you like...may be the survey was done in a marfish...then I would understand the 90% figure. Does anyone else think 90% of somali men in the UK chew khat. Ok, you said that you worked on a research project about khat and Somali, thought, u didn’t mention what was the research about, where and how the survey was carried out. However, you said that you had 5 times more non-khat chewers (less than 1/5=20%). In other word a total of 100 people were examined of whom less than 20% were chewers, mmm seems very fishy...does this seem right? Maybe you should visit the marfish I am sure you will score 100% dang. Anyways according to the scientists, BBC world, Dispatcher as well as the Home Office's drugs and alcohol research unit, 80-93% of Somali men currently residing in Uk chew khat and most are addicted. Having say that, “It is hard to agree or disagree with you because you seem to argue for both sides”. No matter if this figure is right or wrong you have the right to your own opinion. There’s an old saying … “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Well even if I don’t agree with your opinion, I believe that you not only have the right to your own point of view, but that you have the right to express it as well. The problem is, once people disagree with the opinion or massage the issue become muddled and people begins focusing on the message instead of the issue. Anyways everybody’s entitled to their own opinion, don’t you think?? :rolleyes: Ps: sorry but I only know men in my family members, allhamdulilah they are all religious i.e. they don’t do what Allah has prohibited. Indeed, what Allah prohibits has a reason to why He forbids it.

umu zakaria thanks sis qali I appreciate it.......

HEALTH PROBLEMS RELATED TO KHAT The pharmacology of khat •The most important chemicals in qat, in terms of their psycho-active properties, are cathinone and cathine. Cathinone (alpha aminopriopiophenone), which is the principal active stimulant, is structurally similar to d-amphetamine and almost as potent as a central nervous system (CNS)stimulant.Both these substances are phenylpropylamines, similar to amphetamine. Cathine has a central stimulating action about 7–10 times less potent than amphetamine, and cathinone is about half as potent as amphetamine. However, cathinone is exceedingly unstable; it decomposes within a few days of picking or if the plant is dried. Sophisticated supply networks have developed to ensure the plant is available within 24–48 hours after harvesting. Regular flights deliver qat to UK airports, from where it is rapidly transported to various distribution points. •Cathinone and cathine are controlled under international conventions and in the UK under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. However, qat is not so controlled and the possession and sale of unprepared qat is not restricted in the UK. Since qat is chewed, often for many hours, to get the required intoxicating effects, ‘cross-over’ of its use into the UK main drug market has been limited. •There is evidence that khat, like other drugs of misuse, can cause the release of the neurochemical dopamine in the brain. Dopamine is thought to be responsible for the re-enforcing properties of drugs of abuse. Khat may also act on central serotonergic and peripheral adrenergic neurotransmitter systems. Risks to physical health •There is evidence that chewing khat is a risk factor for the development of oral cancers. In pre-clinical and clinical studies, chewing khat leads to macroscopic and microscopic pre-cancerous changes in the buccal mucosa. •Khat has significant sympathomimetic properties. Chewing khat leads to an increase in blood pressure and may precipitate myocardial infarction. It is difficult to tease out the specific risk factor of khat for heart disease as most users also smoke tobacco during a khat session. •There is some evidence that khat affects the reproductive health of both sexes. In women it may be associated with delivery of low birth weight babies (as with smoking cigarettes), although the evidence for this is not strong. Cathine is excreted in breast milk although the impact of this is unknown . •In men there is some evidence that using khat is associated with lower sperm motility and sperm count. Some studies report an increase in libido when using khat and others have found decreased libido with chronic use of khat. •Residual pesticide, dimethoate, has been found on khat leaves produced in Yemen. There is no published data on khat produced in other countries. Chronic dimethoate poisoning can lead to weakness, fatigue, slurred speech and lack of co-ordination. •Khat administered chronically to animals causes an increase in liver transaminases and signs of chronic hepatic inflammation. There are no studies investigating the effects of khat on the hepatic system in humans . Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD)(3). Good reference sites (mostly medical journals). 1)http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/3/5 (khat use as risk factor for psychotic) 2)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=15707502&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google (Khat use as risk factor for psychotic disorders) 3)http://drugs.homeoffice.gov.uk/publication-search/acmd/khat-report-2005/Khat_Executive_Summary.pdf ?view=Binary 4http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1767022 (Khat chewing and acute myocardial infarction).

Originally posted by NinBrown: Hey where do you get a figure like 92% of Somali men in the UK chew Khat...thats so rubish...if anything majority of Somali men in the UK dont chew khat. Only a minority abuse this drug. Do you just said minority? How ironic. Anyways walalo this is figure is strange but true. I don’t know if you watch the British TV documentary (dispatcher) for about 3 months a go. But in case you missed it…….. I did watch over this program and this is what they said…..’’ qat chewing is common in Somali community in the United Kingdom. A study of 2500 adult in UK found lifetime use rates of 89.2.1% in men and 41.1% in women. Current adult users of qat were estimated at 93.1% in a large survey of 2500 Somali people in UK. There are an increasing number of women and children (under 16) chewing qat, although men still mainly dominate’’. Another report: ’’ Qat is popular among Britain's Somali community, and 90% of Somali men reportedly chew the leaves regularly ’’. Ref:http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/extra/series-1/smuggling_drugs_khat.shtml :eek:

Khat is the social drug of choice among Somalis. Around 92% of Somali men in Britain are thought to chew this bloody h plant. Researchers are currently investigating the khat’s long-term health effects, following concern khat may be linked to heart and mental problem. Also various chemicals involved in Khat and no one knows what long-term effects they could have on the central nervous system (CSN) and heart. Khat is doing a great damage. Indeed khat is a breakdown in social relations in Somali community. The most commonly cited social problems associated with khat use concerned the family unit and/or the marital relationship. In my point of view, khat should be considered a drug like heroin, cannabis; cocaine etc. our community is under-achieving and I believe this plant is party to blame. The Somalis who are productive are those who don’t chew. Thus I’m pretty sure as long as we are chewing this plant we can never become a nation, or establish an economy or be productive.

Originally posted by umu zakaria: Doctor. What is your problem? Me........ xagee lagaa hayaa? Aunt.......... Maandhaay rubuq raabuqoo dhan baa mutulaato i ah oo meel ii fayoow ma leh Me.......... :confused: :confused: :confused: rubuc raabuqoo dhan aa aga Somali langauge miyaa bal ii sheeg aan kaa faidaystee waxa laga wado pls sis :rolleyes:

Marcassm well done bro. Keep the good work. I’ll start with the most obvious problem with Somali youth. Most young people especially Somalis are drawn into thugs for bad parenting, poor discipline in school and glorification of violence by the film, Music and computer industries. It is very disturbing to see Somali youth trying to assimilate with afro-American pop culture. I am pointing to those young people who titled hats with a limp in their walk and shabby low-rise pants. Those are the ones who bring disgrace and disrespect to our community. Simply because they are responsible for soaring levels of gun crime, drugs, alcohol, and khat abuse. Violent crime is rampant in our society. There are a few murders to be reported every month on the news whereas Somali gangs become involved in fighting with other Somali gangs. The worry that I have is that since the killing of each and every young person that has been felled by knife and Gun crime this year (I stopped counting after it reached 11 Somalis only in London area ) meetings have been held by various organizations including Government Organizations and Somali community over the issue. Yet it seems nothing practical is being done. Some of those thugs kill people for most trivial reasons, sometimes just for the fun of it Subhan Allah. They do not have the fear of Allah or the Hell fire to stop them doing evil which is paramount to any society. Often as a result of their action, innocent and naïve Somali youths are getting caught up and drawn into it. This is our lost generation. They are often a substitute for what is missing in their homes. Unfortunately, most Somali youths in gang are missing parent’s (especially the father figure) influence around them to help educate, discipline them, and teach them about the danger of the outside world. We can take forever discussing the How and Why of violent crime among young people, but as long as definitive steps are not taken to address the issue, the sad reality is that the culture of violence among young Somali people will continue. My question is what's the best way to approach this problem with the youth? How does one get out of this evil cycle? What are the adults doing to help the youth? I'm afraid not much at all. At the end of the day, we cannot blame the government or other people for not guiding our own children. We have to teach our kids to go the straight path. If we want a better future for our generation and society, we all must hold our parents and communities responsible, because we are the only sentient forces that can make the future change.

Originally posted by B_Analyst: And her name was ISMAHAAN....lol Was that?

Somalis, Asian and other black communities are suffering a "backlash" of racist abuse and discrimination by the police forces. The Home Office figures in the UK were evidence that black people are now eight times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police than white people. Racist incident recorded by the police have also increased by 9 per cent in 2007.I probably shouldn't be surprised about these incidents because I know the fact that Somalis are more hostile to police than other groups (this is because Somalis are both black and Muslim). Yes, that is why Somali people are getting caught for no apparent reason. Thus, I agree with most of what Mr marcassmith said especially that’’ Somali people need to stand up and be counted’’. In my opinion, Somali people are less likely to have made a complaint against the police compared with other societies. As a community we need to better understand the indispensable roles that government plays in our society. We need to know how to tackle racism and discrimination issues without violating any law. It is time for Somali people to stand up and fight for their own rights instead of lying down like a dog. :mad: :confused:

Originally posted by Cadaan: Today is January 1st, the universal birthday for Somalis everywhere, so I wish you all a happy birthday!! Cadan I agree with you on this point Thanks for wishing a happy birthday to those who born in this particular month However, the other point you made seems bit.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: I am not from SOOL, but i get your drift, Happy new year to you too. Aamiin to your du'a Legend i meant SOL not Sool thanks

Hello Everybody from SOL. I wish all of you and your families a very safe, peaceful, New Year insha Allah. TO night and all the time is the time to aim high and strive for perfection in all our endeavors. From this moment on I make a conscious effort to not waste time Insha Allah. However, there is something I always have in my mind. Every time a new year comes I always keep in mind that whatever Allah (SWT) has in store with me, good or bad, I will be thankful. If it’s good I will try to maximize it and thanks Allah. If it’s bad, I’ll see the good in it and see it thru no matter what it takes and thank Allah that it's not worse than it is. Well human beings have been given life in this world, as an opportunity to achieve the pleasure of Allah (SWT) to serve and worship Him and to achieve nearness to HIM. So my aim is to obey Allah as my days grow old. Because for sure the one, who relies totally on him and hopes only from Him, will achieve what he wants in this world as well as the Hereafter. I wish you all peace and prosperous year amiin.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: Niman waaweeyn oo dariigyada ku ooyaya dhareerna ka da'ayo. These are the times you truly appreciate being a Somali. None of that jiljileec crap.

Originally posted by B_Analyst: Naag R**xanweyn ah ee an fahmi waayay waxa ey shegeeso totally..lol

stillll thinking :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

This is shocking news, though not entirely unexpected unfortunately but still a shock There are probably many who want her dead. From the president of Pakistan (Musharraf) and the army, who see her as a political rival, to Al-Qaeda and Taleban who do not wish to see the restoration of democracy in Pakistan. Whether it was Musharraf/Al-Qaeda/Taleban or her own people responsible for her assassination, the common man can never know for sure.All-Qaeda has already claimed responsibility but in my opinion this was a political assassination, not a religious one. The Bhutto name is legendary in Pakistan.Indeed Bhutto was the biggest political threat to Musharraf, rather than an ally. Also All-Qaeda and Taleban militants hated her for her pro-American views. This is a very loaded discussion, for that reason I dare not to drop premature conclusions. We must wait and see and know that the truth will be revealed at some point.

Benazir Bhutto 54 years old, has been murdered in Pakistan. What are your memories of her, and what do you think will be the consequences for Pakistan?

Originally posted by Dabshid: ^lool, horta ma reer Mudug baatay? mise waxbaa la wadaagtaa? Yaa oh hee let me think about it will you :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Entrepreneurial_man: Ismahan you forget alot of heroes like SYL hereos. and also: General daud Ismail Jimcale Salaad Gabeere Bro thanks. Yes indeed the SYL, Somalia's first and most powerful party and all the other ones u and I mentioned are renowned Somali heroes and will remain that for god.

Originally posted by ThePoint: ^Sweetheart - I can't believe you put Aabe Siyaad in there. Did you want to cause a controversey or did you want ppl to nod and smile? the point sweetheart- I see your point but honest I think General Maxamed Siyaad Barre was a Somali hero. In my opinion he did his duty as a president. He constructed roads, dig maintain wells and irrigation canals. He also constructed infirmaries and schools etc. in other word basic public services such as health, education, and security were provided. Today our people are without shelter: they remain in a state of destitute characterized by hunger, poverty, disease, and lack of education. We were 1 /3 of the African superpower and richest in African continents. But we destroyed our own nation and the country Just because some of us didn’t like the guy. Thus even if he has committed a crime, I still have a great respect for him. Don’t get me wrong but after 17 years of total state collapse; our peoples continue to flee warfare, which has lasted for over a decade. The violence has forced hundreds of thousands of people to flee from their homes, claimed up to more than two million lives and left the country with some of the lowest development indicators in the world. Far more were threatened by starvation. My question is Siyad Bare was not the problem over the last decade. What went wrong? Why didn’t we grab the moment to restore the dignity and honor of our nation? In my point of view we must forgive those who have offended us, if we will together take the leap of faith into the future. Only with united hearts shall we yell the freedom of a people benighted, because in union strong, success is sure - we shall prevail over the evil that continues to plague our nation. May Allah bless our people and save our country.

Salute Somalia’s Heroes •Sayid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan •Ahmed Gurey •Xawa taako •Abdirashid Cali sharmarke •Sheikh Haaji cali Abdiraxman •Dhagax Tuur •Aden Cade Osman etc •Siyad Bare I believe a country that does not cherish its past will not generally show much concern for its future. Therefore I am here to night to celebrate some of our heroes that make our community awesome. My heroes and heroines are the countless men and women who sacrificed their life for the Somali people (see the list above). They have given us the richest gift of all, freedom that was paid with their lives. We owe it to them and we owe it to our children. But instead of rewarding them with peace and gratitude……… we rewarded them with what?? Nothing I guess. We destroyed everything that they had dreamed namely the dream of unity and peace in Somalia. We should not do that to someone who sacrificed so much for our country. But I guess done, it cannot be undone though; we should always remember the sacrifice that our heroes made for us. For that we thank them each and every one, may Allah bless them. We can never convey our gratitude with mere words; you feel it in the heart. View some awesome Somali history videos that make you cry: A piece of history for the rest of us: http://www.afmaal.com/videos/sayid.daraawiish.htl http://www.afmaal.com/videos/dhoola.tus.html http://www.afmaal.com/videos/somaliahistory.html