Makalajabtay sis You write: Everyone speaks from their own experience, right? Answer: Yes, more precisely though form their perspective where they stand when viewing a problem, which shoe they are wearing, a famous Somali proverb sums it up : LA JIIFIYAANA BANNAAN. You write: Every woman I have met in a polygameous marriage was financially dependent on their husband's income: If she divorces who is going to take care of her 6/7 children, she must be crazy to kick her husband out. Added to that, tradition which recquires a woman stays with her husband and Islam which legitimatises polygamy, no wonder somali women in the past stay in these kind of marriage. Answer: Isnt it a selfless and a great sacrifice from both sides? Husband not running away with a younger Halimo leaving in the cold 6 kids and their mom, and Minweyn ( First Lady, Clinton Explained why US Presidents wife is called First Lady, because he had three other unofficial wives running in the background) Who sacrificed and stays with her husband for the sake of the kids since she is upset. You write: I am sure all these women would have enjoyed to have their husband's attention and love solely dedicated to them and not sharing with others. Now things have changed and I don't know any Xalimos in western countries in a polygamous marriage. Do you know any polygamous marriage in the city you live in Nur and involving young people? because I have never heard of it. Answer: I recall many, but most noteworthy was when an American born and bred woman of a higher social status reverted to Islam: In a Major Uni. Gretchen's "Muslim" boyfriend makes repentence, begins to pray and tells her, he has changed, now he can only see her as a wife, the fun is over. Bewildered, Gretchen talks to his best friend, Mr. Mohamed who is married to another reverted woman, Gretchen wants to learn Islam further to consider reverting to Islam but is not sure if that what she wants, to convince her, Mohamed, her boyfriends buddy takes her to his place to meet his wife, when they got there, Mohammeds very religious wife opens the door to find her husband with this good looking non Muslim woman! Mohamed, without preparing his wife for a prank says " Honey, surprise, my second wife just found her" His wife, out of joy hugs the new lady, takes her hand and drags her inside the apartment, showing her the guestroom as her new place. At that point Mohammed laughs and tells his wife it was a prank, "honey she is my Friends girlfriend who wants to know more about Islam, can you help her. It didnt take much, she accepted the faith mainly due to the character of Mohamads wife, she said any faith that can change the value system of a western individualist woman to share her husband is indeed agood faith. You Write: My point is polygamous marriage is all about money and power: men do it because they can and women are trapped because they can't afford to leave their husbands and raise their children but everything has changed now, Xalimos can live off welfare and benefit and are more likely to leave their husbands if they start talking about taking another wife. This is surely something our grandmothers couldn't afford, right?. Answer: Happiness is not always what we have, sometimes, its what we dont have, mOney can be our misery, as we collect it fiercely killing others for it, then spending it in the wrong cause. To an extent, I agree with you that more men with money dare think of taking on another Xalimo, from purely risk/reward point of view, money is a factor in the correction phase after the bad news of Xalimos marriage stock crashing due to a MINYAR's arrival. Its called MA$EYRTIR, Some men pay a huge sum of that money and jewellery to appeace the First Lady, Why? Because they dont want her to go, the residual love she earned in the relationship is so high that in a very special case I was an advisor, the man confided in me that if she allows him, he is willing to transfer deeds of all of their two suburban homes plus Townhouse to First lady to show 1. That she is valued highly, 2. That its not all about money always that drives women to eaither accept joining an instant couple, or decide to stay with a man who married another Xaimo. 3. That money is not always important, otherwise they would also stay monogomous for its sake. If a Xalimo decides to leave her husband out of Jealosy, at some point in her life she may regret after she finds out that the lawn is not always greener at monogomous Warsames side, many monogomous marrriages have as much problems as polygomous households, its about players, the rules of the game ( Faith) and the social setting that determines success of any mariage, poly or mono. In the USA, 54.8% of marriages end up in divorce. Sweden the most civilized western nation, is the highest, a point higher at 54.9%, UK 42.6%, Canada 37%. most cited reasons being: Xtra-marital affair - 27% ( Bill Clinton Syndrome) Family strains - 18% ( They Dont Make Dhiker against Satan) Abuse - 17% ( How can you hit your wife and then ask for love?) Mid-life crisis - 13% ( 45 year old exec. Runs away with an 18 year old) Addictions - 6% ( Qat, Mira or plain hard Camel Milk) Workaholism - 6% ( And No tellin, with who at work he is chillin) Source: Grant Thornton ( Remarks between parenthesis by eNuri Associates) You write: I think people tend to downplay the money side of polygamy and like to believe that any woman wouldn't mind sharing her husband. Which is not True. Makalajabtay sis, please be very honest and to the point. Lets say you married your sweetheart, first five years completed, couple of kids and other preoccupations and all, your husband's business picked up so well in Garasbaalley, he soberly prepared you for the eventually: Faarax: Look honey, something has changed in my heart, and I need to clear it up with you. Makalajabtay: What is it? Faarax: I met anothet Xalimo that I want to marry, but I still love you, and you dont have to believe me, only time will tell, but for starters here is a check for your security, I calculated your expenses for the next 5 years, then I doubled and deposited it in that account, you know, I am going to start from zero to have sacrificed that much money, its not about a strong desire for the new Xalimo, I dont know her enough, but more about a lifetime loyalty for you, short of kicking me me out or not marrying that Xalimo, I would accept any arrangement that benefits you and the kids: .......What would be your response short of falling in pieces (KALAJABIN)? You write: I also believe that Polygamy was decided by God to find a solution to widowed women not because men have needs and like to be married to different women. Everyone has needs women might like to "try" different men too if they like it and legitimate this whole business by marrying them. Which sounds weird and amoral but well some matriarchal societies function this way and there is no more dilema in those societies than in ours. Answer: You are coprrect on all counts, nothing immoral about fantasies ( as long as you dont do it) but in case of a woman, if her husband is not satisfying her, the Judge might, he will give her her certificate of Divorce to seek another, no limit of number of men she can try, but the Somali social stigma is unfavorably unjust on women who remarry often, but not the men, so if that man is willing to keep both wife, what is wrong with that? he can keep marrying and divorcing till D-Day with no stigma. Again, how many Xalimos you know to be so sympathetic for their Widowed kind as to offer them to share their husbands? Nur

STOIC Bro. Your personal case is occurring a lot with eNuri and Associates in my private channels of social communications (outside of SOL), I am getting significant number of messages from Faaraxs asking of how to select the perfect Haliimo for marriage, at the same time I am getting hints from some Halimos looking for an eNuri background check on some Faaraxs, which prompts our Business Development Unit to consider asking SOL to launch a special eNuri Matrimonial Discussion board for serious, Faaaraxs and Xalimos. A Job for Libaax -san-ka taabte. Now, if I was on your shoes and have a choice, I would always go for a woman with deep faith in Allah, how deep? well deep enough that she reminds me of Allah when I see her actions, or more importantly, non-actions. The Hijab is but a pepple on the shores of Islam's great ocean, its very important, but its absence does not necessarily signify a bad faith in a Halimo. As for this particular girl, she presents a special case altogether, if you still have any remaining feeling toward her, and she reciprocates, by all means, you should get to the bottom of the Hijab issue, in marriage address the most important issue to you first, you will always have time for sweets, what you learn in the process may be an eye opener for you about life's subtleties, little things that make a big difference, by opening your mind for possibilities in this particular case and with sincere search of a spouse, she may be the right one for you. Another benefit of this course of action is that you would be doing a worthwhile Islamic cause of helping a potentially good person at risk, what could be a more caring jesture than taking an interest in her spiritual well being? unless this attempt of yours hits a wall, my advice is pursue this girl, and please share with Nomads at Islam page how things turn out, I am on a front seat, I excited to say the least. Nur

Lazie MashAllah sis, if the way you described your friends is correct, you are far better than them in the eyes of allah SWT. Flip Flopping is not right. I was specially touched deeply by the fact that you want to do it one day, but once committed, no going back, now thats is no door knop personality like your friends. In the early days of Islam, bedouins used to make a deal with threProphet before becoming Muslims, strange as their conditions may seem by todays unwise wadaads being hard on newbies, a Bedouin requested that he is exempted from prayers and Zakat to become Muslim, the Prophet accepted it saying that once he feels it he would do it voluntarily, to which the Bedouin eventually conformed, another Bedouin asked, that he would pray, but without Rukuuc, again he was accepted, and more funny deals like these, the moral: With the serious buyer, rules can be bent to suit them, but not those wishy washy friends of yours. Baarakallahu feek, you must have a great mother, congratulation sis Nur

Pretty tone They do it for: 1. As solidarity with Muslim/ Arab cause such as Palestine/Iraq etc. 2. To show independence from the prevailing hate culture in their western homelands 3. They like Muslims, they have had great experience with Muslims, they identify with them 4. They are confused, rebel without a cause 5. They are undercover law inforcement officrs on duty 6. They are on their way to a Haloween costume party 7. They have just discovered that their 23rd great grandpa migrated from Middle East to Norway, settled there, married a farmers daughter, had 5 children, changed his name along the line of Mr. Solfjord Nursen ( SOL NUR) Nur

Johnny bro. First of all I thank you for a much thoughtful and well structured, provocative response. As long as our intention is to do good on earth, I believe, we shall merge one day, and from my perspective, I will pray for Allah SWT to give you the knowledge in islam that you have humbly admitted to lack, which is in its own merit , a laudible character trait. You write: " but i have to immediately express my slight disappointment in your post." Ansewer: It goes without saying that I have composed under disppointment too. Let us get over with the rules of engagement issue, what you post in a public forum is not personal, as a Muslim, I would never use a personal info to discredit a debator, its simply Haraam, what you place on the web though, is seen by millions, its public record, can be used and more than likely will be used. Johnny Bro. This is an Islam page forum for the Somali community, worldwide, you've said that you are a cultural activist with limited knowledge in Islam. You also claim that you find my eNuri works to be patchy at best according to your standards, which is a great remark as eNuri is always striving to fill those patches with valuable knowledge about Islam, but to some Nomads like you, the patches may be due to missing links in your islamic education or upbringing, or it may well be a valid remarkf for which I thank you for it, at any rate, when we discuss Islamic issues like the Hijab, unless one is not a Muslim, we should use Islamic sources to either validate our points, or rebut a debators claim, that way, we all learn from the discussion. Now, Allow me to use the publicly available info on your screen name to shed light on this discusion, first, you seem to be a proud Somali, which is great, Somalis are predominantly Muslims, so it would serve your cause as cultural activist to pick a more Somali sounding name, Johnny-come-lately , sounds more American, and a non Muslim to my ear, the second observation, I advice you as a saaxib, to remove the word CHICKS, CHICKS,CHICKS from you info page intersts, its not a joke, it will discredit your good intentions, cuz when people click on your screen name page, thats what they see, its not personal, its public statement you placed for your audinece that I have even rechecked before posting this response, to be fair. ( by the way I have old friends/relatives in Sweden I grew up with, and they are identical with you in their thought pattern, lets take that up later) You write: Bro Nur, you so willingly admit that you as a Muslim regard ' Hijab' as a functional means of safeguarding girls/women from the untrammeled sexual impulses of men ( like me and you ), Answer: Bravo, JB, ( Like me and You!), I have to admit that we share that interest, ( Men who dont like them shouild see a Doctor) , but how we go about it, is where we part ways. If I like a Halimo, I would approach her dad or brother, or her head of Qabeel, offer 100 camels for her hand, to show how much I value her, that is by the book, the Holy Quraan ( Fa ankixuuhunna bi idhni ahlihinna), as for you, your options are wide open Now, but, not later, next life, in contrast, as a Muslim I believe that my options are wide open later if I limit them now with Allah's commandments ( please read my post : http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001095#000000 ) You write: but you´re not admitting that it is your duty as man/Muslim to control your desires,thus, put the responsibility on others (girls/women) not to tempt you rather than putting it on yourself,and not react to possible temptations, hence , as our most ardent SOL-Mullah i find your work patchy at best. Saaxib, Where do you get the idea that I dont? please read this work, which was meant to be a prelude to a detailed article for men to control their hormones. http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001671 You write: No matter how many layers you put on girls/women they´ll always remain human beeings and the risk of men getting less tempted becouse of the number of layers you put on girls/women will always remain minimal,( it was on this very forum where i for the first time heard how covered girls turn some 'wadads' on ) unless Muslim men realize that it is NOT the girl/women´s fault to have born girl/women and womanhood is under no circumstance to blame. Johnny bro: Loool, Saaxib, I have to admit that some Hijabis can cause road havoc for unrestrained wandering eyes looking for some peaceful sights and a resting place, if a Hijabi is the only choice of a woman a Muslim man has, she can turn more than a wadaads interest, she can turn on our pride in their resolve and stark message of purity and simplicity, making such a statment in defiance to conventional wsidom and accpted dress code to express their individuality and femininity in a MODEST way, Their bodies are only their's and some Mahrams business. You write: and if you insist it beeing Muslim manners and Mores then so be it ,that only reflects the culturally entrenched repression and abuse of women in Arabic/Muslim societies today, In my Somali culture , it is simple , ' you can see but you can´t touch ' is engraved in my way of thinking and never do i blame girls/women for beeing girl/woman (read : great). Johnny bro. Saaxib: I am not insisting, its not about opinions, its about adhereing to a code of life called Islam, the only room we have is to best interpret what the commandment means, the commandment is from a Sovereign, and its one way, HIS WAY ONLY. I hope you dont mean that ALLAH who sent down the Hijab commandment is blaming women/girls for being Females or women? I hope not. You write: To explain why Hijab covers your thoughts of yourselves as well as your form/figure ,i´d say, when a girl/woman is lured to think and beleive that it is her duty to disfigure her natural female beauty becouse men get distracted and get impure thoughts, her women rights are violated , a violation that doesen´t extend to the male sphere. Men like bro Nur wanna see to it that no more evil happens, but not by controlling themselves, but by controlling Women. Saaxib: Intersting Keywords: LURED, DISFIGURE, DISTRACTED, IMPURE, WOMENS RIGHTS. Who is luring these Hijabi women saaxib? Allah or Mad-Mullahs like NUR and Company? So, by covering up her contours, she is DISFIGURING her natural beauty? which according to Johnny should be displayed in public? How much of that beauty should be exposed for public view saaxib? I am sure that the line must be drawn somewhere, from NUDITY, to what you call TENT, and in between like a transparent intimate DIRAC. Whichever way you slice it, we refer back at what Allah ordained, if indeed you beleive in Allah and the last day of judgement ( If you dont please ignore this statement) And who issue womens rights? Allah or Cofee Anan? which set of rights does Johnny adhere to? please be frank, it will help clarify your stand on these issues. Besides are you accusing Islam for saying women are IMPURE thus they should be covered up? what a waste for such a brilliant mind like yours when limited to a western point of view, please join eNuri, we want to eradicate evil, injustice, decadence, we have been on both sides of the fence, but now, we are Proud Muslims, Tolerant of others views, creatively nonviolent, not apologetic for our beliefs, and lovin it ( eNuri is remotely controlled by Quran and Sunnah, by CHOICE) You write: Strange as it may seem,the right to wear slacks ,short skirts 'idiracs' or 'guntinos' is actually part and parcel of the right of women to be fully equal members of society. it represents their ability to be seen on their own terms, rather than allowing men to determine how women should be viewed. Saaxib Where in Coffe Anans Declaration of womens rights you read that women have the right to wear Tight Jeans? is it his business? or the business of any mortal for the matter? A woman has to answer to her maker ONLY, not to Coffe Anan. And I beg to disagree with your statement that women are equal to men, what a wrong quantity to measure against an ambiguous standard? I claim that Women are NOT equal to men: 1. When it comes to responsibilities, Women do more work, much better than men, women do not cheat in business, they have more patience to raise kids than men, they outperform boys in the first 12 grades in school, they getg paid less ofr doing more and are not appreciated in the west as they deserve, the most transparent, best run country in the world is run by women, Finland, is an example of women power if allowed, when you add Islam to their trophies, they will be like Queen Sheba of Yemen. 2. Superiority: Women are more superior, ask me of my Mother, she is three times as important as my DAD according to Hadeeth of Prophet Muhammad SAWS. 3. Islam sees a woman as a complementarey to a man, not a competitive to him, (like we Somalis say, You will never catch up with the Warsame, if his wife is better than yours) men are the intimate clothes of women , while women are the intimate clothes of men, its in Quraan and its so nice, dont you agree saaxib? You write: Last but not least , they´re not less pious for not disfiguring themselves as u have admitted in your scenario. Saaxib, dont you notice that the word DISFIGURING is a bit heavy? I mean. i get the mental picture of loonatic man slashing the face of a good looking woman with a sharp knife, why not try to use the word, CONFIGURING HER SELF WITH ALLAH'S DEFAULT SETTINGS OF SURRENDER TO HIS WILL FOR ETERNAL HAPPINESS? Saaxib What I meant was that HIJAB is necessary BUT NOT SUFFICIENT FOR A HALIMO TO BE PIOUS, as Allah SWT said to the effect that goodness is not that you face East nor West for prayer, rather its a belief in Allah, the last day.... showing tolerance and patience in face of adversity, and who engages in philanthropy helping the poor and needy etc. You write: It´s nice to have made it clear that Modesty is not wrapping yourself with 10 meters long garment. Saaxib. You must be a tailor, you gotta be one, no kiddin, so close in your estimate of the 10 meter needed for Hijab, To be precise, the Somali HIjab, which is the most Sharia compliant on planet earth ( with fundemental difference of opinion from residents of Buraidah, Qaseem region) here is eNuri Tailors recommended Dimensions: 1. For only the top part, the tallest Somali lady would only need 3 meters if she uses her regular Cambuur beneath. 2. If she chooses to match her Cambuur with the Hijaab, she would need another 4 meters, again the tallest Somali girl, eNuri Hijab Tailoring services assume that the above lengths are based on the wider fabrics ( 1.25 meters wide, instead of the narrow width 0.75 Meter fabrics) Literally, the Devil, is In The Details. Peace Nur

Makalajabatay? sis I met an amzaing man who happened to have married over 7 (seven) women, not polygamous, serial marriages that end in divorce before he takes on another. For him, and many men like him, divorce is a way out of boredom of marriage, next, he is courting another woman, and he marries again, I asked him why he took divorce and remarriage so easily like that, he said that different women were good at different things, from homemaking to pleasant personality. Is that more dignified in your eyes than polygamy? We are all conditioned to think the way we do at an early age, and depending on where we grow, we borrow our values, if some women where not consenting to be second wife in a marriage, there would never have been polygamy, why would a woman accept to marry a married man if that was so humiliating? Finally, like you have noted, polygamy is a solution to a problem, if there is no problem, you dont have to worry about it, but as long as a problem that polygamy can solve exists, ( and more likely will create new ones) , some men will attempt it and some women will accept the offer, It is easier to live a monogamous life, or even stay single, we see it happening, then why would a person try polygamy if they dont see a unique value in it? Nur

Dabshid bro. Amin, I am curious about meaning of your screenname, DABSHID, my best recollection of this name is the Zorastrian Fire Worship ritual imported to Somalia by Omanis and Persian traders, which is a form of Shirk, in the South of Somalia, to this day Dabshid is celebrated at sunset, children would jump from fire three times for a lucky year ( Till Next Dabshid). are you aware of it? Nur

Johnny Welcome JB, I could not have agreed more with you when you write: One good reason for NOT wearing hijab would be: Hijab is everything but modest: Answer: According to Dictionary: its opposite, IMMODESTY is defined as offending against sexual mores in conduct or appearance. From your perspective, I fully agree that its IMMODEST, since sexual mores you subscribe to are different than the mores these women subscribe to, anyone who checks out your interests can readily see that you are interested in CHICKS, and some more CHICKS, its precisely these types of men that were the reason the Hijab was ordained for Muslim women, Allah SWT says : ...So that he in whose heart is an ailment (morality) does not (sexually) harass you" You see JB, Our Sexual mores in Islam are clearly different than yours, and I am sure that you would respect other peoples mores as much as yours should be respected, ours are laid down by Allah thru revelation, Quraan and Sunnah. And these two sources are what we believers follow. and its our choice. A woman who adheres to the mores of Islamic Modesty wears a Hijab, different women interpret it differently, but all of them agree that the more they cover, the more modest, not IMMODEST as you claim, your refuting of all Modesty is an erroneous statement at best. Knowing you as a good debator, this statment was not in your class in terms of objectivity, and fairness. You write: Hijab does not only cover your body it covers your thoughts about yourself too, not to mention the unwanted attention it draws to you due to it´s strange looks. Answer:. How could that be JB? a little explanation would be kind, by tossing off her Hijab, a Muslim woman can open her mind to many possibilities including being chased by men like you who consider them like CHICKS, sexual objects for passing pleasure, I can feel what is going on through your head saaxib, but arent the non Hijabis meeting your desires? besides, with such blatant degradation for women as to refer to them as CHICKS, isnt it you instead who is not using your head for thinking? which I fully agree to fall in within your rights as long as you dont seek Hijabis for your passing pleasures. You write: Modesty is marked by simplicity, Hijab ( the tent type -just diffrenciating types)is everything but simple, and you´re not a piece of meat to be covered but a free intelligent human beeing Answer: What could be more simpler than a cheap piece of rough material that costs less than the dry cleaning tap of fashionable CHICKS short skirt you admire so much? Quite contrary than your claim, the Hijab forces men like you to use their heads instead of getting distracted looking at all places except her intelligence. Now, where is the meat more appealing? on a Hijabi or on a non Hijabi? to test my statement, go have a strange look at a non Hijabi, and notice how annoying your looks feel to her. Once a woman puts on her Hijab, her mind is open, along with her heart, she can only be appreciated by men who have respect for women, whose interest in a woman is her intelligence instead of her heavy makeup. Modesty is the quality of conforming to morality, if you dont have any, its your right, if you do subscribe to a different set of morals, then for those women who have Islamic morals, its chillingly offensive to say the least that they are wearing a tent, dont you have respect for their choice? I have seen you defend others choices with which I've agreed with, why display such an uncallled for inuslt on Muslim women's choice of moral code? Nur

Suleiman A Good read, JZK for compiling and presenting such a detailed account. Nur

PT Please post the news link, if this is true, then you should bring it to the attention of WAFAA SULTAN. in addition to Sabra and Shatilla, and bombing of Jesruslem Mosque and killing of some 40 Muslim worshippers by a " Deranged Jew" Nur

Modesty sis Very constructive analyses, the truth of the matter is that there are women out there, who dont wear the Hijab at all, but who are some of the deepest in faith than any Hijabi you've met. Recently, I had a chance to work on a project with such a Muslima woman. This woman, a very educated, experienced and practical would come across at first as a person that all of us would write off as a weak Muslima in faith because of her outwardly appearance, appearances do mislead at times, and it just happened in my case, the more I worked with her on the project, the more I became convinced that she could well be better than me in conviction and practice ( I learned she was active in Dawa to Non Muslim Women and prayed Qiyamulleil ) , however, when I asked her why she was not wearing her Hijab, she replied that she was not yet fully convinced with the interpretation, I asked her if she would wear the Hijab if I convinced her, without hesitation, she said, she would. She taught me a lesson that, not all Hijabis are good in faith, and also, that not all non Hijabis are necessarily bad in faith. The problem is therefore transferred to us all, those who understand the importance of MODSETY, specially Hijabi sisters to reach out to good Musilm sisters who for reason of not have the right information may not be observing the Hijab. Nur

Passion 4 Fasshion Sidee baan u arki waayey waxaad qortay: laakiin hadaan niyada ilaah kaaga waeydiiyo inuu abaal marin kaaga dhigo Jannatul Fardows wax maa ka qabtaa. Walaal, haddaad ku darto inuu Allah ka yeelo wajigiisa Kariimka ah abaalkeyga ayaan ku farxi lahaa, runtii, abaalgudka ugu weyn Ferdousa waa aragtida wajiga Allah. Raula dada A good question indeed In Fiqh, graves must not be dug for the sake of archeology, human remains are dignified, and they shouldnt be exposed since it beats the purpose of why tbey were placed in these holes in the first place. Nur

Socod Badane Saxiix Literally means CORRECT in Arabic, Hadeeth Scientists have set a standard, just like a checklisting system engineers rely before a space shuttle takes off to space, when all the requirements of the checlist are checked to be right, Hadeeth astranauts board the Hadeeth Heavenly Ship, the Hadeeth is trusted as TRUE, unless it can be shown that it failed in the checklisting system. Nur

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Simply Brilliant! Nur

RC OK, Let us address the premise that although you do not wear Hijab, you are not necessarily a Muslima of a lesser faith, How about first gauging your level of Islam by checking with the following conditions of the first pillar of Islam ( La Ilaaha Illa Allah ) that can either make or break you: 1. Understanding of iits meaning 2. Solid belief in it ( No Room for doubt) 3. Unconditional accpetance of all requirements it calls for by word of mouth or heart ( Including Hijab) 4. Material fulfillment and physical surrender to its commandments ( Including Hijab) 5. Matching actions with Beliefs 6. Sincerity 7. Love of this word, and all of the principles it stands for ( Hijab again) 9. Rejection of all principles that contradict with it ( Not Wearing Hijaab without a valid excuse such as old age). Nur

DA Because you dont wear the hijab, although you fully understand its importance in Islam, and becasue Ismahan's reasons do not apply in your case, and because you are not any less of a Muslima for not wearing the Hijab, because only Allah can judge your case, since the inner self is very important and is in Allah's domain of knowledge, then it follows that you must have a inner self reason that exempts you from this outwardly Hijab requirement with such confidence. Is that the case sister? Nur

Raxmah sis The character issue is a separate requirement, one must behave with high Islamic ettiquette ( Akhlaq) but that would never exempt a Muslim woman fom wearing her Hijaab, by not wearing the Hijaab, while she knows and is convinced that Allah requires she is showing aqeedah problem: 1. She needs to work in an environment that dsicriminates her if she wears Hijaab, which will deprive her of income, making her poor: Allah says in Quran: Satan threatens you with poverty, and suggests for you to (violate Allah) Faxshaa, while Allah promises you forgiveness from him and Fadlaa ( improvement of financial condition) 2. She needs it to show her beauty for would be suitors who may not notice her body curves if she wears Hijaab: Again, its Satan, threatening her for lost opportunities with guys. Rendevous JZK remark Rendevous The world is short.. So you should NEVER rely on this world...Work your way to The Other World... or like its said : الدنيا ساعة...........اجعلها ÙÙŠ طاعة Addunyaa Saacah, Ijcalhaa fii taacah Nur

Brother Before we address the issue of polygamy we have to examine the forces that are opposing it, Historically, any Islamic ordained lifestyle found oppnents in the nonbeliever camp, and polygamy was not different, so it would be wise to survey the social condition when Islam was sent down as a complete way of life: Inna Diina cindallahi al Islaam. The only acceptable way of life in Allah's is SUURRENDER to Allah's commandments: Aisha Radiyallahu canhaa narrated accounts of pre-Islamic sexuality arrangements, from grroup sex where ten men or so would share single woman and the when the woman delivers a baby, she points at her favored man as the father which was then accepted traditionally. There was prostitution, regular monogamy marriage, polygamy, a plethora of arrangements similar to present day Jaahilyah, except fo course, there was no pervertion of Qowm Lut. In that back drop of history, Allah sent a Messneger to upgrade morals, so gradually, verses came down addressing initially the Tawheed principle first, to instill in the nascent community acceptance of Allahs rulings and not anybodys whims or Ahwaa, slowly, prostitution was banned, and unlimited number of wives were limited to four, in teh context of a benevolent society that had a mission for caring for the weak and oppressed, widows, orphans and also allowing consenting parties to marry if they believe that they can establish Allah's limits in such relationships. Companions were well known to have had multiple wives, some were known to be serial divorcees, who would marry and divorce, all with consent and agreement of women, and I cant recall any instruction by Allah to set limitation for numebr of divorces, nor a strict ruling that was adhered to during the time of the Messenger that regulated polygamy practices so that it was the exception, not the norm. As a matter of the fact, according to the verses, polygamy was the norm, and it was sustained, limited to four, and in case a man feels that he cant adminsiter justice, he was instructed to stay with one wife as an exception to a rule. Allah SWt further more clarified that no man can be just, so again Allah clariefied that one should be moderate not totally ignoring one of his wives, why you may ask, because, in this case, the man would prefer divorce for the unfavored wife that will free him from responsibilitgy, however Allah forces him to stay married while doing his best to be just struggling with his feelings, Allah SWT even tells that a man may not love a woman that Alllah has put a Lot of kheir, so here the intervention and the polygamous situation is not for the man to have fun, actually is to burden him with keeping his responsibilities to the first woman that he may not be fond of, so that a change of heart in her favor can take place. Its well known fact that societies that limit polygamy have some form of sexual pervertions, any failure to account for a human need will in turn cause some sort of social perversion, for example, Catholics suffer the highest sexual abuses by their priests as the priests are not allowed to marry which created another social problem of molestation of minors in churches, and the the strict monogamy ( Till Death Part Us) caused countless confessions of infidelity, and desertion of church teachings. Today, we as Muslims are living with non Muslims in their lands, attending theior schools, reading their thoughts while at the same time we lack basic understanding of our own faith and history, which created a new movement to make Islam comaptible with the wetern lifetyles, according to the Hadeeth in which the Messenger SAWS predicted that Mulims will imitate the people of the Book' lifestyle, to the point that if they get in an aligator hole, Muslims will follow, of course by alternig their faith to align it with people of the Book. Islamic fiqh was revealed for a sovereign Muslim society, in which Islam brings a complete solution, not for pockets of communities that have abandoned their right to exist as a viable nation and faith with complete lifetsyle that has a common goal of pleasing Allah SWT. Even the Amish in Pensylvania have achieved that goal, and for many years, they have realized their way of life peaceful. Adapting Islamic Fiqh to current situations without considering its holistic approach and validity, is like administering a medicine to patients whose lifestyle beats the purpose for which the medicine was prescribed. Nur

Kadir Its the first time that I have read that Polygamy was a highly restricted practice. The problem as I see is that there is an inherent ignorance of the history of arabia prior to islam, The story of teh revelations, the tafseer of the verses in light of the society in which it was revealed, the Seerah, the lifestyle of the companions who were the closest to understand the context as they were the first addtessed group, and lastly to see if polygamy was a norm in prior Monotheist faiths, practiced by many prophets and followers. Allah SWT says, " In case you differ on an issue, alwasy refer to Allah and the Messenger" meaning Quraan and the hadeeth which I have posted above the method of collection and authenticity. Questions that will be addressed from the Asbaabul Nuzuul ( Reason behind the revelation) are: 1. Was polygamy limited by the verses, regulated or highly restricted? 2. Was the Muslim community a sedentary community like today, or they were dynamic, in which they were in constant struggle to establish the deen of allah on earth, or were they like us today 9-5ers? 3. Has Christianity influenced latter day restrictive interpretations after we have assimiliated with the western values in more that one area? are we comparing oranges to apples? 4. The taabiciin, the second generation, how did they practice it? was it restricted, or an issue that has not received the attention it receives today due to our assimilation with Non Muslim societies to allign our lifestyle with theirs? Again sister Haseena has made valid points as Khadir has. My take on this issue is that polygamy is a part of wholesome systm that works together fine, but when part of the sytsem is idle and not functioning all other parts look ugly, its not only the practice of polygamy that is ugly, its the failure of an entire islamic system atht is wiped out of being, leaving behind fragments of practises that when practiced in the backdrop of the absence of a wholesome Islamic system. shows more damage that cure to our social ailments. Again, thanks Khadir and Haseena, the discussion is indeed stimulating intellectually, and inshAllah in teh coming days, we shall adress the above questions in depth to settle this issue, and learn. Nur

Salaams Khadir and Haseena I tried to stay in the sidelines on this issues as I have participated on the Womens page and preferred to let others express their opinions on this issues. What is drawing me to this discussion is Sister Haseena's remarks on the authenticity of the Hadeeths of Sheikh Al Bukhaari and her reference that the Hadeeth science must be read before agreeing to its authenticity, a valid point indeed, she is just asking a system of settling disputes on trhe Hadeeths, at the end, it is a personal issue to be convinced or not, for which a person can either go wrong or right. May I take this opportunity to post a piece that i have written years ago for someone who questioned the authenticity of the Sahih Hadeeths category, just to show how much work went into the Bukhari collection: The Hadeeth Science 1. Definitions for starters Linguistically, the meaning of (Hadeeth) is from the Arabic word HADATHA, or news, incident, event etc. Hadeeth ( News) linguistically is antonym with (Qadeem) past, old, history, Also, in the Arabic, the young kids are known as (Axdaath) new age ( not to be confused with new age religion). The word Hadeeth in the religious context is reserved to all the news that were reported from the Prophet Mohammed SAWS. So the news needs verification. And the verifications of the story is the science of the Hadeeth. If the same rigorous method of cross, contextual, integrity, background, environment, etc verification is applied to Newsweek and Time Magazines, ( The contemporary Hadeeths), for example, they would not stand a chance in publishing a single issue, why you may ask, and the answer to that question leads to the next Chapter. Types of Hadeeths 1. Category one : Saheeh (Correct) A Hadeeth of this category enjoys the highest credibility, it is used in the Sharia as an augmentation of the explanation of the Quraan. Denial of a Hadeeth in this category is a grave sin and it can lead to Kufr. This Category has many variations of Correctness, and ahadeeth to be ranked Sahih, or Correct must meet all of the criteria's of correctness, ( Political Correctness, is not considered in Islam). As an introductory survey, we will mention three of the elements of correctness for an example. 1. Correct in terms of the line of narration (ISNAAD) 2. Correct in terms of the anthology ( Method of collection) Similar to police evidence collection methods ( Remember the Simpson Case?) 3. Correct in terms of the text itself (MATN). So as you can deduce, a hadeeth can be correct in terms of line of narration and compilation, but still may fail the textual integrity, in this case we call this hadeeth a defective Hadeeth ( maa' lool), failing to reach Sahih level, but still may qualify for other category as we will visit. If on the other hand the hadeeth is textually correct, but the line of narration has a gab in the linkage of narrators, we call this hadeeth Broken chain hadeeth ( Munqadie). If the hadeeth is compiled in a way different than the standard methods employed by the scolars ( Jumhur), then, that hadeeth does not enjoy the Saheeh category and we will visit the terminologies in the days to come in ShaAllah. A hadeeth can further be Correct (Saheeh) for its own contents self support, ( This is like a travel document for a refugee, not a passport for a citizen) we call this category ( Saheeh li thaatih). A Hadeeth can further be correct for the support of another Hadeeth only ( Saheeh li gheirih), or the Hadeeth can serve both roles. In another category, the hadeeth can be saheeh on the conditions set by the compilers ( saheeh alaa shardeyhimaa), the compilers are Bukhaari and Muslim. And the last category of this quick survey is the (Correct-but-Odd) category, (saheeh ghareeb), meaning the hadeeth has qualified for the saheeh category but was reported by only one narrator with top credibility clearance. Criteria For the Classification of The Hadeeth The following Five Criteria are used to classify a hadeeth to be a Saheeh 1. Al Sanad ( Chain of narrators ), The chain is continuous, no missing links. 2.Adaalah, (Narrators Character, must be flawlessly perfect, in terms of piety, credibility, courage, generosity, wisdom and good judgment) If this stringent condition is applied in politics, no US president or any other world leader today can fulfill such requirement. 3. Al Dhabd, ( meaning that the narrator have memorized the hadeeth beyond question, or recorded it in a tablet, and is able to recollect it with consistency whenever requested. This condition implies that he is mentally sharp, serious in delivering responsibilities. ( President Ronald Reagan would not have made it to the Whitehouse with his famous "I Do Not Recall" ) 4. Cadam Al Shuduud, (A Hadeeth must not be an odd hadeeth) , Shuduud means that a narrator who is sufficiently credible provides a hadeeth that contradicts another hadeeth narrated by a more credible narrator, in terms of degree of their respective memorization competencies, lingusitic compprehension abilities ( Not failing their SAT) etc. ( This is analogous to two officers with different levels of security clearance presenting testimony to a judge to support a point of view. The testimony of the officer with the higher level of clearance supercedes the testimony of the lower clearance level officer) 5. Cadam Al E' laal. (Free of any defective characteristic that compromises the hadeeth's credibility ( for example there is a mismatch in the names of the narrators, like saying, Ronald Kennedy reported this hadeeth from John Reagan), so although this hadeeth may have met other stringent requirements, it clearly has a defect (E'llah) although when closely viewed may not present serious infringement of the rules, if we patiently reconstruct the sequence, like ( Ronald Reagan reported form John Kennedy). So Any Hadeeth that passes those criteria with flying colors is called Saheeh in general terms, because, there is more to calling a hadeeth saheeh than this survey of ours can cover. Category Two. The Hassan hadeeth Hassan Hadeeth is not as flawless as the Correct ( Saheeh) hadeeth we have discussed above, but is nevertheless a reliable hadeeth that passed key Non-Fatal error criteria to qualify for applicability with caution, this is like the yellow light when driving, you have to proceed with caution, relying on Quraan as a check, but still leveraging its value on areas were other more reliable hadeeths are not available. ( This is like physicists relying on a theory until they find a better explanation) This Category though, is much more reliable than the next category of the Daciif, weak hadeeth. Al Tirmidhi , One of the major compilers of the Hadeeths has defined the Hassan Category as follows : Any hadeeth , whose narrators: 1. Character is not a Questionable issue , while some of the narrators in the chain may be known to be forgetful in some past narrations , but have never lied knowingly at any point in their lives ever. 2. The Stature of this narrator do not rise to the level of the reporters of the Saheeh category in the above five scoring criteria ( Meaning, they have lower level clearance ), yet, the narrators meets some minimum acceptability standard (beyond scope of this brief survey) to be considered a reliable hadeeth. Final Category is the (Daeef ) category ( Weak hadeeth) any hadeeth who fails in the above two categories is Weak, A weak hadeeth is not advised to be followed or applied in any legal issue nor settle an ambiguity in faith matters nor business law dsiputes. Unfortunately, Many of the Hadeeths floating and causing confusion in the Muslim world belong to this last category, which promts the attack on the Sunnah and Hadeeth and. This type of hadeeth, is the kind of evidence a Judge will not hesitate to throw out of his court. Nur 2002 e-Nuri Sunnah Service Modern explanation of Legacy Traditions

Xiinfaniin Jazaakallahu khairan walaal, your insightful remarks went a long way for me an I hope for other readers, you are right bro. If we are not busy doing good on earth, Satan will cause us do evil on land, sea and air, thus, it is important taht we engage the devil by doing good and then sharing it so that he is defeated, after all all human evils emanate from Satan, envy, hatred, oppression and crimes. Viking Bro As you have noted, opportunities to earn credits with Allah are plenty, like you said, such as compassion, tolerance and patience, add to it wishing all humans goodwill, pray for their safety from their own ignorance and hatred to follow the revelations of their Lord. But as Mulims, our mission should be to do good on earth, it is through benevolence, and genuine interest in offering a helping hand to others can we attract lot more people to our faith, and even if they choose not to follow our faith, we should still offer exceptional unconditional help, after all they need it most as they have all to gain from our help, which is our aim. Rahiima, Classique, Deeq and Aniga,Sheherezade and Emerald, May Allah bless you all for your kind comments, your words shall be written in your own Meezaan, is heavy as mount Uhud, inshAllah. Nur

Sayfullah Al Masluul bro. Its all about sponsors, Allah sponsors GOOD on earth, Satan sponsors EVIL, Allah is the creator and Satan is a creation, Satan is also an avowed enemy of mankind, he succeeded in misleading some humans by deception, giving them false hope, while allah is offering true promises, we know, they are betting, its about belief and disbelief at the end, the result will show, but behind curtains while game is still contiuing in the this side ( worldly life) Nur

A timely topic, Ismahan Hijab in my opinion , is a loud speaker, many people were guided to Islam after they have iunquired about it, sisters, help guide others, become a walking billboards for Islam, and its dignified place for women, MIND of MATTER, is the message of Hijab. Nur

Memorable, 4 years on Monday, May Allah place accept our deeds, and NIYAH, forgive our evils, and place our rank with the saalixiin. Amin Nur