Quick Responses Sunshine sis Amazingly It is true sis, wallahi, but my beliefs did not come with a silver lining, I struggled for all of my convictions and worked hard to accept them, with the Help of Allah SWT, everything is possible. Athena sis. Classes will begin when you are read sis, how manyt relatives do you have in mind? Samaha sis Ranya's brothers are already signed up and well on their way to earn their APRON of the week award, so tell your bros to keep up with the Warsames' next door. Observer bro. I am proud of you bro. If you are ready for graduate work, you will need to sign up with your wife, she has to sign your certificate before you can advance to next level, courses get more interesting, The following are the mandatory courses, for all grad students, the rest can be selected from our catalgue. 1. Understanding 501 ( How to read your wifes mind ) 2. Understanding 502 ( Using your heart not BRAIN when criticising your wife) 3. Foot Massage For Overworked Housewives 634 ( How to releive built up stress of your wife by a gentle foot massage) Baashi Bro. You write: "Trying to get everyone to like you is a sign of mediocrity " Bro, Trying humans to like you is a losing battle, out here what I write may not make everyone smile, it is job that has to be done, and I am volunteering for it, so your support is needed bro, and also your critticism when I goof, which i occasionally do. As for "Qorqode" and "Xila Gube" these are female tactics to keep the man out of the home biz, do not fall that trick, so the ladies enjoy all the goodies and guys are kept in the dark about home economoics, which is what the lady uses to save money to order her Jewelery from Dubai without the poor guys knowledge, this specific course is a graduate level course, and if you pass the first course, it can be your Thesis to figure out a solution for this phenomena. to All Much respects Nur

Baashi Bro. It is a sad situation indeed, Before presenting my ideas, I need to know motre about the character of the husband. A. Is he an injured lion? a man who was a bread winner tamed by bad times? B. A Mirungi Chewer, who is just chillin widda arm chair generals " fadh Ku Dirir" If he is type A, the sister is doing a noble work, may Allah blsee her. If he is typoe B, there are two more scenarios. 1. She has kids 2. No Kids First case, she needs to work harder to rehabilitate her husband, pray a lot to Allah SWT, and involove responsible people in the community to help the man become a responsible man. If all fails, she should seriously consider a way out. Second Case. End the marriage, by any means necessary. Nur

Muraad Br. No I never heard of that story, it is interesting to know. I believe the sister did the right thing, since the Islamic Sharia does not make a woman a house maid, Allah made women our partners, not maids, House hood duties should be shared, that way a man can enjoy the company of his wife by releiving her of half of the hardships. How can a woman be intimate with her husband if she is burdened with too much work with no ahelp from her hubby? Ranyaa sis. Alhamdulilah that my post has already brought the first fruits and benefits in an Ottawa house, make sure your brothers do well in these subjects I have posted, after completion of the course , please send me their appraisals, I want to award them the coveted " HOUSEHOLD HANDYMAN OF THE YEAR AWARD " of Nurtel Social Engineering Institute. Soon, any brother whose Marriage Proposal Offer does NOT include a letter of reference form our institute, may find it difficult to find a good Somali wife for partnership. Nurtel Social Engineers are Contemplating launching a unique Match Making Service for Nomads, If Somaliaonline provides a page for our institution. Nur

I Entreprenuer Br I coudn't put it better, fully agree with you, we need XIKMAH, it is because of the lack of Xikmah that all the mess we see is taking place. Nur

Reflections. As Eid is getting closer, kids in Somalia arre getting ready to wear their new eid clothes, and depending on their incomes, some will wear very fancy clothing while the poor may not have anything to cover their bodies with. So, in this season we need to reflect on the real clothing, the Taqwa apparel, which if we lack it, we slowly look naked to those wearing Taqwa grade outfits, and the more taqwa we have, the more we feel in style, covered with dignity and self respect. Have you noticed in the western world how women have no problem taking off their clothes? the level of clothing women wear is closely related to the level of faith they have. So it is quite a contrast to see a Somali Sis with Jilbaab, and a western woman on a Bikini. The exterior speaks in silence. As for men, their level of taqwa is closely associated with their prudence and diligence when it comes to fulfilling their obligations to their Lord, families, friends, and business associates. In The Quraan, Allah SWT describes a man who was a member of the children of Israel who Allah SWT gave him iimaan, but because he became so attached to the Dunyaa, that he shed his taqwaa clothing, " Fansalakha minhaa" and satan followed him, so he became " Minal ghaawiin" A lost soul. How many times have you seen, someone you knew to be very pious who after loosing iimaan, you find them taking off the hijaab? or a brother who used to give Islamic lessons who suddenly lost his taqwa and became taarikul salaat and a women chaser? I know of him, and it hurts me to have lost him to satan. It is all about the clothing of taqwaa that we are protected in this world from temptations, and assured fall from grace, and It is with the clothing of taqwaa that we will inshAllah pass the siraad highway with confidence. Allahumma innaka cafuwun, tuxibbul cafwa, facfuu cannaa, yaa Allah. Amin Nur 2003 Nurtel Softwaano Series " Wa libaasu taqwaa dhaalika Kheyr"

Entreprenuer Bro. Any agreement that regulates 1. Life and death 2. Wealth and property 3. Rights 4. Sexual Relationships Is regulated by Islam. Any issue not regulated by islam like traffic lights, is a common sense agreement that we should abide by, otherwise we will violate the purpose of protection dn preservation of life, however any XEER or Qaanuun that claims to have legitimacy in a sovreign other than Allah SWT is a clear SHIRK, that assures a place in hell with no vacation policy. When I obey any law, I obey it from the prespective that it is a common sense that Allah is pleased with and that has roots in Sharia. Because Allah isntructed me to say: " Inna salaatii wa nusukii wa maxyaaya wa mamaaatii lillah, wa bidhaalika umirtu wa ana awalul muslimiin" My prayers, my scrificial rites, my life and and death are all dedicated to Allah, and so was I ordered and I am the first to surrender" Nur

Buubto sis Are you an Aussie too? interesting . Nur

Entreprenuer Br. Where have you been when I was being whipped real bad by sisters? No single brother came to my aid, so I am taking my anger on my gender, now all in a sudden, brothers are crawling out to defend themselves. You write: " On a more serious note saaxib, courses would not solve the problems of our society. I think the best approach is to reinstate the somali man's position as the "boss" of the household. In most somali families, the man was the breadwinner (at least in garamgaramland). While he was busy finding ways to feed his family, the womenfolk were busy taking care of family matters.' Answer: You are right Entreprenuer, MEN SHOULD BE THE BOSSES IN THEIR HOUSES, but may I suggest, with their wives permission if peace and harmony has to prevail in the home so we can have " Mawaddah and Raxmah" . I further agree that the sisters need a course of their own, I shall post such a program when I put my head into it, but I would need a sister to help on this turf, unfortunately, I took a calculated risk, which is costing my readership badly.

Muraad Bro Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool Booskaaga waan kuu xajiyey, asxaabtaadana wargeli. The reason that I posted this old post of mine is to show some sisters who suggested that I should work to improve om brothers so that there will be enough good brothers to choose from, so by taking this course, you are improving your chances with the sisters in my audience. Nur

Sundus sis I am smiling as I respond to your post, you are a natural wallaahi, no fake, and your straight forward no frills question deserves a good answer, although you have a prejudice on Net wadaads including me, however I may surprise you today. Sis. Imagine a cat whose leg was amputated, and the vet decided to transplant a dogs leg on the cat, not any dog, a great dane's leg? how would that cat look? how well can it walk with the newly aquired leg? Very funny, you'd say, and you are right, it just doesn't fit. These days, many Wadaads who read fiqh books readily give fatwas from a fiqh book written centuries ago for a Muslim based community that applied nothing but sharia. That Fiqh that was born in that environment and solved the problems these Muslims faced, given their sitauation of a 100 percent islam abiding community. Everything was based on islam, so the main structure of the community was Islam ( it is known as USUUL), and the Furuuc, the details of the fiqh, were like the legs of the cat in my example, so in their days the cat was walking upright and balanced, as every fatwa matched the structure on which the community was based on. Today, There is no community that is 100 percent structured on the "USUUL " of Islam, so applying fiqh on certain situations can become real funny. Coming back to your question, if the driving reason for your employment is to become independent, until " Faaris al axlaam" arrives, and if you can maintain your faith, I do not see a problem with it. If you specialize on OB-Gynocology, Paediatrics or related fields , You get more ajar, as you are now going to protect yourself some more by dealing with women only, while potentially helping Muslim Sisters and kids who may need your services in the future, imagine the ajar you'd get if you become an UMULISO?. So, by all means, sis, do the best in the situation in which you find yourself, However, remember the moral of Islamic FIQH, and its order of application to our lives. The law of Allah SWT was revealed for the following higher purposes, any fatwa that conflicts with them is null and void: 1. Protection of Life 2. Protection of Faith 3. Protection of Wealth 4. Protection of dignity In the order of things, first you need bread on the table, if someone gives you a fatwa to stay home in a non islamic setting without securing decent means for living, he needs to brush on his fiqh some more, ready made fatwas can be dangerous at times. Once Companions of the Prophet SAWS made a fatwa for an injured companion to take ghusl which caused complications and later he died, it is reported ( to my best recollection) that the Prophet SAWs said of these amature Mufti Companions, " Qataluuh, qatalahumullah" they've kiled him, May Allah Kill them", now you can imagine what an unlicensed wadaad can do if he is not careful. Living and working In these non Muslim environment, you are considered " MUKRAH" " Forced, not willing " according to sharica, although " being forced, IKRAAH" has a definition in Fiqh if it will compromise life and dignity. In your case, you must see to it that you do your best to protect your faith, the purpose for which we were created. Your job must also protect your dignity, as some jobs, can compromise your sharaf. And finally, make a lot of dhiker so Allah SWT can make your life in line with what he loves, do not underestimate the power of Duaa, Allah SWT says " Call on me, I shall respond to your needs" Who else is there for us if Allah does not come to our aid? Walaalkaa Nur

An interesting Response to the topic from one of my female Somali viewers read this: Nur,Nur Huh! Bro All I can say..M.A.N.S.H.A.A.LL.AH ARE YOU REALY.REALLY SOMALI MaN? IF YES, BRO ARE YOU MARRIED? IF YES..UR WIFE IS LUCKIEST WOMEN A LIVE IF NOT>>>>>>>>READ ON BRO WILL YOU MARRY ME? i AM SO SERIOUS WALHY You know what brother? I never know there is any somali Men who have or atleast understands Womens needS OR appriciets it, in Somali cummunity. I am really, surprise brother...just one question where are you hiding all this time? Ps..can I become your Secratery of your future school? i.e if you already been taken. GOD BeLeS YoU BrOtHeR. MissInlove --------------------------------------------- Later, a disgruntled male responded to the topic with anger saying : " What can I say Nur...........Congratulation, Your writing has brought a wife to your door step. I wonder why is she anonymous though? I agree to what you have written to certain extend. But, you are being harsh extremely against us Somali men for whatever reason. I'm just wondering, is your real name Nur or Nasra? ------------------------------------------------- Another amazed female viewer wrote in Soamli: Salaamu Calaykum Dhamaan Nur waxay iskuulkaad raggeena u furtay? Ceebay tacaal! Mayee nin naxariis badan baa la doonaya. Qasab ma aha inuu xafaayada bedelo ama raashinka kariyo. Laakiin in nolosha la wadaago ayaa muhiim ah. Weliba ixtiraam, wanaag, qorshe, jacayl iyo kala dambeyn lagu wada joogo. Peace GabadhWacan She contiued......... Salaamu Calaykum Walaal Nuur, Walee waad iga qoslisay! Walaal hee dheh, anigu 30kaan kor u dhaafay. Waxaan ahay kooxdii lagu soo koriyay xaajiga in laga dambeeyo. I am among those who believe in cooking, cleaning and taking care of the children. Making sure the kids are clean and smell nice when the husband comes home from work. And me in my nicest dirac smelling sweet from uunsi and cadar. I can't teach men anything. I have been conditioned all my life to please my husband. My aim is to be raaliye and go to Jannah insha Allah. I am a bad choice for your project! Peace GabadhWacan ------------------------------------------------- The unhappy male reader can not believe that I am a male still, after I wrote him and told him that I am indeed a Faarax, he writes: "Nur...........You said and I quote " I agree with you that I may have stretched the truth a bit about how bad Somali men are on this thread, the objective was not to discuss good men, and there are some, (although mostly are taken)". Don't you think a comment such as yours is ridiculously feminine. I mean, have you ever seen a Somali man pointing out a fellow Somali man who been already taking. You can run, but you can NOT hide NASRA. " ------------------------------------------------- Now my responses: To the female Housewife Gabadhwacan, I responded: " Walaal Gabadh Wacan you say: "I am among those who believe in cooking, cleaning and taking care of the children. Making sure the kids are clean and smell nice" Sister. Same here, sister you should taste my Special recipe which I prepare with a mixture of carrots and rice with spices, place it in the oven, low heat cover it with an alluminum foil and wait for thirty minutes ......UMMMMMMM, what a taste... or did I tell you about my spagetti sauce, prepared with fresh garlic and mushrooms, served with a linguine, tender to the tongue sprinkle with little bit of cheese parmigiana and black pepers, .... or my Tuna fish special, with cellery, scrumptious saltines and mayonnaise all wrapped up in a french bread right from the oven, hot and crispy, I better stop........ Walaal Gabadh Wacan you write: "when the husband comes home from work. And me in my nicest dirac smelling sweet from uunsi and cadar" Sister That is precisely what we want men to NOTICE, many men can not remember what dress their wives wore last evening, they do not notice you at all, they are absent minded, they watch TV all day long upset you do not look like Miss Universe, no matter if you dress up with the latest Dirac from Jibuuti. We also want to teach men to dress well for their ladies, after all, the relationship goes both ways. You write : "I can't teach men anything. I have been conditioned all my life to please my husband" Sister Maa ShaaAllahu, Allah says " Al Tayibaatu lil Tayibiin, what you said shows that there are many lucky guys, but are there many lucky ladies? I doubt. Now , I am even more convinced that you will make a great teacher, rest assured that we plan to use hightech educational technologies in my Academy, you will be teaching this class from the comfort of your kitchen, and living room. You will be provided with videoconfrencing equipment, and you will not appear in the camera, just your food, and speech, let me know how many cousres you are willing to teach, if you are lucky to have a great husband, we will hire him as a TA ( Teaching Aid) You write : "My aim is to be raaliye and go to Jannah insha Allah" But, My aim is to educate men to treat their wives kindly, help them in the house, spend quality time with their kids, ... so they can see their wives in Jannah inshaAllah. Nur 2000-2003 Nurtel Social Engineering Legacy Topics A Change Management, for The Better.

From Archives, 2002 old Issues Nurtel Presents: A Training Academy for Somali Men, Motivation Traditionally, Somali Men are raised the way they are while in boyhood. Damage is already done, re skilling is required. They need a refresher course in the following skills: First Semester: 1. Fundemenmtals of Washing dishes 2. A survey on benefits of clean living quarters 3. Methods of Garbage disposal. 4. Re-Defining Manhood 001 ( Helping around the house) 5. Redefining Manhood 002 ( Basic Diaper Change) 6. Re-defining Manhood ( Advanced Diaper Change, in malls and buses) Re-defining Manhood ( Dangers of Qat and smoking) Second Semester 8. Physical excercise 001 ( Maintaining the bathroom, Cleaning referigerator, Kitchen etc.) 9. Physical Excercise 002 ( Vacuming, dusting, setting up bedrooms, and related subjects) Third semester 10. ABC's of Grocery shopping ( Coupons etc.) 11. Budgeting ( Expenses) 12. Budgeting ( Time ) 13 . Advanced Budgeting ( Hagbad, Shaloongo) Fourth Semester 14. Art Appreciation 001 ( Enjoying quite time with family) 15. Art Appreciation 002 ( Saying Thank you, note, this course has high dropout rate) 16. Attending Family functions ( How to smile genuinely and not complain about wasting time) 17. Vacations without fights Fifth Semester 18. Basic cooking ( tea, coffee etc) 19. Intermediate Cooking ( Reading Cookbooks) 20. Advanced Cooking ( Measurements and preparations) 21. Cooking Laboratory ( Salads, soups, sweets, fish and meat, pasta, rice, breakfast specials, lucnh box preparation, putting food away for later use) 22. Organizing the Referigerator 23. Organizing the cabinets and kitchen containers. 24. Spices 25. Outside cooking skills and tools. Graduation Project: How to look, find and keep a job. All students are required to work closely with family members: Grading Family's assesment of the Student 98 % Class attendance 1% Exams 1% We are accepting applications for the Spring Semester, space is limited, all Somali ladies reading this post are encouraged to apply for their husbands, we guarantee, with Allah's help that upon graduation , you will not call the RCMP to kick your husband out of your house. Nur 2002 Nurtel Social Engineering Labs Manhood Is More Than Growing a Beard

Salafiyyah sis In a muslim country, where the male respects and understands the boundaries of the dealing with the opposite sex, and within a premise that is medical in nature, when male doctors are not available, not only it is OK, you get ajar releiving the suffering of a patient. In non Muslim environment, it is questionable, but I can not jump the gun by decalring it is haraam, as Allah SWT says " do not say for everything that comes your way, this is haraam, and this halaal" in the non muslim countries, fiqh becomes like Newtonian Physics at speed of light, very difficult to define. Nur

Reminding you to make a lots of duaa for: 1. Yourselves 2. Parents 3. Grandparents 4. Relatives 5. Friends and me. Nur

Sisters and Bros It is Ramadan, take advantage of the season, Allah SWT says " Mention And remember Allah a lot , and make tasbiix, morning and evenings " Just a reminder Nur

Sophist Bro. You have posed a very fundamental Aqeedah question. Corporate Law, a subset of the civil laws practiced in many western countries had its origins in Islamic laws dating back to the Islamic Empire in Spain where many Islamic laws found there way into European legislation. One such law was the inheritance law, first adopted by France from the Hanafi School of thought and later transmitted to Swiss law. From the point of view of the Sharia, any man made law does not have a mandate, as any law must emanate from a sovreign, and the only sovreign Islam recognizes is Allah SWT whose name is SAMAD, meaning the Sovreign. Islamic law was a natural progression of the need of the Muslim community to settle its differences according to the Quraan and Sunnah, and as such, Islamic fiqh was born and the Fiqh - Al Buyuuc, the fiqh of sales transactions was compiled. The years that followed, the fiqh of business covered many topics such as Al Mudaarabah, al Muraabaxa, wages, agreements, incorporations " Sharaakah, and the like. The longest verse in Quraan deals with business, the verse in Al baqarah ' Yaa ayyuha alladiina aamanuu idaa tadaayantum" meaning " O yee who believe, if you incur a debt between you....." This verse was the birth of the notary public as we know it, that we use today as a standard instrument to verify articles of an agreement. To make a long history short, 14 centuries later, Islam as nation ceased to exist, and secular nations came to being who have adopted colonial secular laws, so apart from the lip service in all Muslim countries given to Islam as the main source of law, Islamic law ia far from taking its rightful place as a judicial intstrument to settle differences Corporate or otherwise. Based on the above background, the question remains, is it permissible in Islam to practice Corporate Law? It all depends on how we define a practice. If we mean that you will be helping people to claim their rights under a secular system, I do not see a problem as long as you never deny anyone their rights using this law. On the other hand if you are going to practice this legal profesion to become a judge, then clearly you are in violation of the spirit of the verse " A fa gheyra Allahi attakhidu xakaman " meaning " shoul I make other than Allah SWT a judge?" for which the answer is a NO. Wallahu Aclam Nur

Walaal Northerner A friend of mine who was with me on a business trip in Belgium had the exact same problem, he was supposed to deposit some half a million dollars on an interest earning account for his company, being the Assistant CEO, he was facing the guns barrel, he conuslted me and my answer was to delegate the responsibility to another willing employee on behalf of the company. As you can see, that was the best of a questionable situation, we live in a Riba based economy system, but as Allah SWT says, " ITTAQQUU AALLAHA MAS TADACTUM" meaning " protect your skins from the anger of Allah SWT, as much as you can". So, be creative in avoiding the responsibility, you can take a day off, or even be sick when your turn comes around, that was what Prophet Abrahim did when his folks invited him to worship the Idols. Nur

Salaams Nomads Marxabaa bikum, welcome, benvenuti, karibu, soo dhoawaada to yet another interesting topic, not as controversial as my last topics on Marriage, for a change! The purpose behind this thread is to provide comsultancy to Nomads who are at cross roads on paths to take for an Islamic friendly career, this thread was prompted by the notion that many Nomads take the time between classes to see Nurtel Posts, some viewers have privately consulted me on the subject, so I reasoned, why not post a thread on career planning, form an Islamic prespective, that is, halaal jobs in terms of suitability to women, or from the Riba point of view. In addition to discussing career paths that may be hot in the future in our country ( If we still have a country ) . So, Dear Nomads, If you are still in school, or are about to graduate soon, or are thinking about change in careers, or aspire to start your own business selling Camel Milk on line, the platform is open, what is on your mind today? The service is free, so take advantage of it. Nur 2003 eNuri Human Resources Development Helping Nomads Rise To Their Potential

Dear Nomads Assalaamu Calaykum Wa raxmatullah wa barakaatuh As a volunteer activist on this forum and other Islamic Forums, I raise issues that raise eyebrows in amazement, I post burning topics that can cause forest fires, controlled that is, after the fire is out, I till the ground, to change soil so we can throw in seeds to grow new crops, much more stronger in quality than those we have burned, and more lasting in duration. Such was the past two topics that I have posed on these threads @ Somaliaonline Islam pages ( Marriage Is On Your Mind? and A Letter To A Married Somali Woman). I was after a result that i postulated and my findings, contrary to what I may have written of being let down by sisters, It was on the bulls eye, a long way is ahead of us before we can discuss an issue without immersing our deeper emotions and its apparent repercussions. Solutions to our problems are too close to see at times. In other forums where I took radical ideas to viewers in support of women's point of view, I was also ridiculed, I was accused of being a woman ( I was called Nasra) masquerading as a man attempting to change status quo, and InshaAllah I will post some of the interesting responses I received from my gender and strangely enough form our complementary partners, women. Personally speaking, as a male, I have unparalleled level of respect for women in general and Somali women in particular, in my own community, my advice is sought in resolving conflicts that arise between family members living abroad, and on my vacations ( I go to Mogadishu, other details are withheld for fear of being taken hostage, going rate over my head after reading responses by sisters should be around U$ 100,000.), there is nothing more touching than to see the plight of disadvantaged women, the weak and children in our war ravaged country. I go to pieces over the horrors of neglected kids, abused women and irresponsible men altering lives of the innocent beyond repair. The More you read Nurtel publications, the more you will realize the driving force behind this one man institution dedicated in assisting his people, both in their relationship with their maker, Allah, and in their worldly needs, ( I will be posting new threds about career planning soon, come and see) and nothing gives me more enjoyment than to know that my conributions have helped someone change views that were limiting their potential or that my writeups have helped them get closer to their maker. In Conclusion, I apologize to my viewers if I came rather strong, I do not take your opinions lightly, but as a facilitator, I push the envelope of possibilities to new heights so that, after we've exhausted a discussion, we can look back with envy, what we might have failed to solve, so we can resolve to act wiser in the future as life is a learning curve, marriage being the roughest ride, so the steeper the curve, the faster we learn, and the rougher the ride. So, My California viewers near Disney, Marine world, or the Medieval Times theme Parks, you should understand my analogy, and further consider this piece as the final splashdown on your faces after ending the ride, the learning ride. Nur 2003 e-Nuri Corporation Syndicate Serving Somalis In Troubled Times

Nomads Time to boost your engines Ramadaan is halfway, make sure that you fill up your iimaan reservoir, next stop is Hajj season. Salaams Nur

Quick responses To all sisters and brothers The topic is picking up critical mass, I am afraid to say of where the solution is pointing to, I am having fits pronouncing it. But come back, I may have the solution in a fictitious letter addressed to an intelligent lady. Rayaana sis I love Australia , it is the single continent on the globe that I have not set foot on, I als love nature, corals and exotioc life down under, i hope that upu have read one of my articles titled " How to get high by going down under" We need more aussies contribute to this topic, because so far you are the second card carrying aussie active on this topic, have you ever considered visiting home@kurtunwaarrey.com just kaftaming. Nafisa sis Well said sis, but keep the critique up, it begs well thoujght out responses that educate as well as present a balanced audience and prespectives, if you did not post your view, i would not have known how sis Miz Unique viewed the issues at hand, so in effect your piece was vvery beneficial as we are not here for self gratification but for learning our deen together. Sofist What can I say, your deep philosophical discourses are sure to tease our brains affixed on livelihood rather than ideals to live and die for. So now that you have voted for the SINGLE FOR LIFE option if the right prospect is not found, sit tight, because I am going to take everyone for an emotional roller coaster ride with my off the hook solutions, the dreaded letter, addressed to you know who? Idil sis Aren't you supposed to be in the office, what are you doing here? Just kidding, I happen to ahve used your name on one of my fictitious posts, Idil was our receptionist at Nurtl Opticians post if you've had the time to go over it recently. Now, Can everyone read the "Letter". Nur

An Apology To Nurtel Audience. Brothers and Sisters Please accept my deep apology for not being able to complete the task that I promised you all, to explain Suratul Racd, the Thunder in DETAIL. You see walaaloyaal, as i sat one day to organize my thoughts to expolain the first three verses, I realized how huge the job is, I will miss out on many other commitments for Ramadan, commitments, I may not be able to complete what I set out to do. So, please keep the discussion up, I will respond, and let everyone share their insights, because knowlegde is NOOR, and ignorance is darkness. I want to hear your feedback on the first 3 verses of Al Racd, Nur

Walaal Sophist I enjoyed your writing, this problm deserves a radical solution, a solution that preserves chastity and our faith in a setting that is far different than the saxaabahs setting in which most hadeeths were referred to. Because I stil do not have even an idea of where to start for a solution, I am going to use a trick that opens many doors of wisdonm to me whenever i find myself facing a problem of this proportion, Make a lot of ibaadah in this month, and inshaAllah, Allah SWT will help us all by inspiring one of us to come up with the crystal ball solution, and reading what Sophist wrote and Rahima's patience, I am very hopefuls Allah will help this audience with a brreakthrogh solution, till then I am out searching for an answer. Rabbi Zidnii cilman, warzuqnii fahman. amin Nur

Nafisa sis You are a hidden treasure, how come you don't write more often? Now to answer your question: As an internet Dawa activist, in the course of my chosen path of helping others grow and find peace, I have come across many situations that need to be addressed so that we all reach our full potential in serving Allah SWT in our respective capacities, Allah SWT says: " Wab taghi fiimaa aataaka Allahud daaral aakhira" Seek the hereafter life with all that Allah has granted to you" In my capacity as a volunteer and as a Somali Muslim one-man web activist, Allah has given me the gift of moderation and facilitating discussions which I discovered few years back, and ever since, Allah SWT has given me the honor of this great job of mine, and in that spirit I posed this topic to understand how the nomads reason given the conflicting moral and material issues that need to be resolved if we have to focus without distraction on the purpose of our creation. As a facilitating volunteer and Dawa activist, I do not expect people to change overnight to become better muslims in every aspect of their lives, I settle for little but continously increasing increments of improvements, so that after couple of years the person who reads my posts grows mature in their Islamic Character and outlook with respect to their decision making skills. Once they mature in the decision making art, it becomes easy for them to approach Allah SWT and strongly hold on to the siraatul Mustaqeem, my final goal. But holding on to Siratul Mustaqeem is no picnic, there are many distractions, and Marriage is such topic that most people, married or non married have to a degree, some problems with, and nothing can prepare anyone to this institution other than to connect them with Allah SWT in a very cibaadah-intimate way. But to that effect and dimesnion, though some writers marginally mentioned, it was not the center stage criteria for the Nomads criteria. So, in this thread i learned a lot of how many nomads think about marriage and where it falls in the list of their vital priorities, and as a volunteer facilitator, it helps me select the proper topics that can attract, keep and improve the spiritual dimension of these nomads who need a friend when they feel strange within their Caravan family. InshaAllah, I will summarize the findings and post before the topic is milked to the rim. Nur Nurtle Social Engineering Labs Helping Emotionally Challenged Nomads

Bambina Dating is an outgrowth culture of a Judeo-Christaian Pagan cultures, even in some Muslim societies like ours back in Somalia we have a term for it which was widely accepted and chances are that some family members may be able to verify for you, Somalis, who for the most part were igorant of Islam, use to date, and even dance tribal dances, the dating busines in Somalia was known with many names, depending on the region, " Xodxodasho, or Shukaansi" being two of the terms. In the western DATING game, it is all about premarital sex, and rarely about marriage. As an example, Once when I was in College, I used to stay alone and pensive most of the time, and never chatted with woman classmates, and one day as I was leaving the school, two women followed me, I was nervous, so I walked faster, but they caught up with me and asked me if they could join me walk to a nearby park, I agreed, and as we walked out one of the women introduced herself and the other girl who was blushing ( very red faceed white girl). So the first girl says that her friend would like to date me, because she admires my character, I told her nervously that I am a Muslim, I can not do that, so she said, : " this girl is not that type also, she is interested in marriage" Now , I am trapped, and honestly, the girl was extremely good looking, but I had no eyes for her, so I told them, sorry, I am a poor student, to my surprise, I am told that the girls family owns the town, she alone owns so much properties that I did not have to study anymore, all I needed was to get married and count money and kids. But that is rere. We do have a problem in the Muslim community, in conservative muslim countries they have a woman known as KHATTABAH, she is more like your internet matrimonials site, she knows of all the girls and the guys in town, and she matches couples. When a couple become interested in each other for marriage, they are allowed to see each other it is called " Nathrah sharciyah" the legal meeting in which the woman takes off the hijaab, so the guy can have a glimpse of his potential wife, and a chat, since it is important to cement the marriage with that preview, which may or may not ineterst the guy or the girl, A friend of mine, was rejected by a girl after she so the way he walked, she said : "wuu dhutinaayey" and she changed her mind, she missed a great guy. Now, I find it puzzling in the western countries, eleigible Somali men, who are shy, are never in the spot light, so are good Somali women, and there is no better medium available than the internet, which at best gives marriage hopefuls a peek into the mind of the writer, but not his or her other physical qualities. And no one wants to go first, because being known and not knowing back is a big risk many marriage hopefuls dread. In another interesting incident that may have have happened to other men, a friend and a business associate of mine, and an observing Muslim, proposed in a humorous way that I marry his sister, the guy, was very bright and intelligent, his genetic make up would have been an asset for my future kids, but I was so afraid of coming to a situation of loosing him over this deal, so i said, marriage was not in mind inorder not to hurt his feelings, (may Allah forgive me because it was) This was a stark example of how difficult to bring couples together for Somalis who are away from home. It is a big problem, unfortunately, to this writing, I have no clue for a solution, but talking about it helps. Nur