Nomads I always beleived that warlords and tribal Elders have an interest in prolonging anarchy in Somalia, for example, worlord who is benefiting from an Airport, Harbours, or traficking drugs will never accept things to change, specially when he can frighten anyone else by sheer force and terror. Nicolo Machiavelli, an Italian Royal court advisor in 15th century, who is credited to the current mentality of politicians ha laid down most political theories followed by world politicians from George Bush to Somali warlords Here is the text of the passage that caught my eye: "And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new." Nicolo Machiavelli c.1505 Nur

Raxmah Fasting is always good, it really using our heads for thinking instead of our biological systems, factories need to be shut down when major strategic process reengineering has to be done, likewise, our body needs a break with the food chain so we can focus on the purpose of life for a while at least. Nur

Summertime House Cleaning and Recycling of old posts, excuse me if you read it before. Nur

SisSade The signs of the hour are classified as the Major signs, (like this one) and the minor signs and many of these had either been witnessed or are happening as we discuss this issue. ( The Fight over the black gold in Iraq is one of these, according to the Hadeeths) The interesting thing about these natural phenomenae is that they happen for a purpose, at the prescribed time, they obey rules set by the author of nature and its laws, so precise do these phenomenae happen, that scientists can predict exactly when that will happen, because they follow some set of laws, if the scientists could decipher mpre of these hidden natural codes, they could even tell us more facts that reenforces what we have believed. But a pitfall is that sometime we hury and use every new scientific phenomenae to show that a hadeeth has predicted it, the problem with that is the double possibility that either the Hadeeth could have been interpreted wrong, the scientific theory could be flawed or both. One of the most amazing phenomenae that will take place in the conclusion of life on earth is described by Suurah al Takweer. 14 natural Phenomenae One Purpose (A soul shall know that day what it had delivered) 14 witnesses ( Phenomenae) One Messenger ( Innahu La qowlu Rasuulin Kariim) One Defendent (Mankind) Are we ready for our day in court? SisSade, for an excercise, if you have the time please post the 14 natural occurances mentioned in TaKweer, so we can discuss them further, it fascinates me wallahi. Nur

Sisade That was a very good encouragement, May Allah bless you sis, my life long wish is to find a small island, with turqouise clear waters, a laptop and a lot of coconut juice, spending my time thinking and writing, off course some swimming and a leisurely jog along the coast line, looking at the horizons as i lift pepples along and tossing them deep on the meter high waves before they break, Can you imagine the feeling, reading Quraan, making ibaadah and being alone for a period long enough to write ten books, and then surfacing back to the real world, by the way I did spend a night in a similar island once, we spent snorkling all day, we were three of us and a large boat, with two 75 horse power Yamaha engines to the best of my recollectiion. Nur

Salafi Bro Jazaakallahu khairan for clarifying and showing the sources of my argument, now we wanna hear from the Rainbow, we indeed need to BOW, to get RAIN, hence Rainbow! Nur

Mansour Here is a great article on how to memorize Quraan, brought to you by who else, Silent Sister Nur

Darman bro. Thanks for being the first to respond to this thread, This offer has no strings attached, relax, when enough Nomads sign up, we'll take off to a great party, you wont be sorry bro, get ready for fun, what I am going to post made me cry like a baby outta joy, see you at the party. Wiil Edeb Badan A turbaned Chauffeur driven, super stretch late model camel equipped with GPS, a fine camel milk and fruits riferegerator, a super sound system starring Sheikh Mohammed Saleh Alim Shaah, a 5G Mackintosh Power book with a broadband mobile EVDO connection to another world, can be dispatched as an appreciation for a classy guest like you, but you need a permanent companion before embarking on this great trip to assure safe arrival, this trip is no fun without a reliable partner(i mean a GEEL JIRTO lady), let me assure you bro., half the fun, will be getting there. Nur

Devils Advocate That was a light hearted comment, sorry if computers cant relay humor, I was just pulling your leg, ooooooops, sorry, I forgot you are are sis, and the expression 'pulling a leg" means joking! Let me ask you this. whay not be an advocate for the Angels on these boards for a change? Nur

Q You write: "I changed the direction from soul to spacetime, in order to prevent you from making the classical mistake, which almost all religious scholars tend to make. This mistake is, to try to use today’s scientific facts as a justification for their beliefs. This is a dangerous road for one take and this is because today’s scientific fact could be thrown out of the window tomorrow. " Answer Jazaakallahu Khairan, I couldnt agree more with you, 100% I also belong to the same school of thought, and if you read my last remark, it reenforces the notion that Islam is stationary, issued by the author of all natural laws. You asK: " Therefore, what I am trying to ask you is , where does it say in Islam, we have three spatial dimensions and one of time (i.e. four spacetime )? " Answer: There is no recorded answer to this question anywhere that Ive came across, so my best answer is I do not know, taking guess work out of a raw direct question. Q About the foolish remark, I was only referring to an implied statement somewhere in your response that you said that is foolish, so I take it back, you did not call anyoine a foolish. Agree on this one too. Q The only reason that i wrote back about the superstring theory because you refrerred to it, and I used to read about it for hobby, not that it is my area of study or work, but shear interest, in cosmology, and also philosphical aspects of physics and astronmomy, apart from that hobby, I remain ignorant, the sea of knowledge has no bottom, because there are thigns we know, and know for certain that we know, and there are things we know that we do not not know, and things that we dont even know that we dont know, and the latter is probably infinite compared to the first two. The beauty about this ignorance is that it humbles us, and makes us turn to Allah SWT. An old woman once saw a man being followed by a crowd of students, she asked what the man was, she was told, that the man is a great scholar who proved the exisitence of Allah SWT 100 ways, she shook her head and said " I have no single doubt" Nur

Viking I never published that story in Somalinet forums, it was another Xur story i guess. That was the light side, sorry if you were looking for a serious treatment of the issue which time permitting I shall respond to. Now, about those encounters, I heard thhis story. A man entered a shop an while he was shopping , teh shop keeper asked him if he can help, the customer said, please help this gentleman first, he was here before me, The shopkeeper said that there was no other customer in the shop, the customer seeming confused, immediately left the shop. Later, a lady entered and as the shopkeeper offered to help, she said " Please help that man first" Te shopkeeper this time got very suspicious, and as the woman left, a man came in and told he was the man in his shop he could not see, and that he selected the shopkeeper for his honesty and philanthropy helping the poor. The strange man then todl the shopkeeper to close his eyes and smell a perfume to lift him to heaven for a special treat, the shopekeeper agreed and when he woke up, his store was cleaned. It was a hoax by resourceful thiefs. Nur

Somali Anarchists and Export Quality Freedoms The Abu Ghureib Brand Dear President Bush As your allies in Anarchy, we the Somali anarchists are following your efforts to provide freedom to the Iraqi people who are resisting these freedoms so viciously that they opted to be taken to the abu Ghureib Jail where they were physically abused, raped, and tortured, because, as you have eloquently explained, those who do not want freedom, shall, rot in jail. As an anarchist I question orderly things, like if indeed what happened at the Abu Ghureib prison was not representative of the American people and morals standards, then could you explain to me how are those alleged 911 terrorists are representative of all of Afghanistan and Iraq to be bombed and thousands killed as a result? You see Mr. President, in America, Freedom has its privilege, like the freedom AFTER SPEECH, In the Soviet era, there was no freedom after speech, but there was freedom OF speech, and freedom from arbitrary arrest, right to a lawyer, innocence until proven guilty, impartial jury and judge, and so on. So, does the American system grant rights to Americans only, or putting in a different way, are these constitutional rights for domestic use or are they exportable to Iraq and Afghanistan? I am also bit confused about the sovereignty thing, if my political science lectures help me, I recall that sovereignty belongs to the people, even if an army invades America, that army will never OWN that sovereignty of America, because each American owns a little slice of the Sovereignty cake, so what baffles my mind as an anarchist, is how in the world can you transfer sovereignty you don't own back to the Iraqi government you have appointed, who don't deserve it, a classic case of someone who does not own, giving Sovereignty to someone who does not deserve by being duly elected to office by a popular vote, the Iraqis are really screwed up badly, since they were a people suffering from the torture of Saddamn and now under occupation of an army who wants to feed them freedom by force, If you force feed me my favorite veggie Pizza with mozzarella, olives, green pepper, I would also resist viciously, by throwing up on your face, so these questions bother me, how can you let your Somali Anarchists down? I am also suspicious about your motives in Iraq, in 1993, America pulled out from Somalia very quickly as one black Hawk was downed and the Rangers were attacked by a ragtag army, In Iraq, you are digging in, despite the most organized resistance against the GIs the since the Vietnam war, I wonder, does Petroleum has to do with your resolve in Iraq? because in Somalia we are living in Anarchy for the past 13 years and counting, so why does Iraq get this attention, we are very jealous, and yet, more NATO troops are pledged to Iraq! ? If it is civil war, we Somalis have demonstrated that we can kill each other better than Iraqis, if humane interference is needed, we are in a deep mess, if terrorism is the issue, Somali bananas are illegally being exported without international OPEC tariffs, please read Banana terrorism. to see how it can endanger America. So, I conclude that Freedom comes in two flavors: 1. Domestic Freedom for Americans and Europeans. 2. Freedom For Middle East and Africa Like the laws that govern export goods from America, certain banned products in America can be exported to the third world, likewise, bad quality freedoms, freedoms without accessories like , freedom that allows authorities for eavesdropping, freedom of denying access to a lawyer, freedom of being considered terrorist until proven harmless and detention without a charge, freedom without a competent court and a jury of ones peers and the only freedom we Somalis appreciate is the freedom of chewing mild narcotic Qat, which no body bother us for. The brand of Freedom that you are exporting is confusing to all anarchists who enjoy anarchy. I was again wondering, if you cant find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, then isn't the mandate of war wrong?, hence, you must pay war reparations to the Iraqis, and come to Somalia where we want you, So badly, we Somalis cant agree on anything except our dream to get an American Green card, You can declare Somalia a territory like Puerto Rico, and peace will flourish in Somalia, then you can make me the American Ally who will promise every hungry Somali a welfare check of four hundred Dollars, Somalis can pay that back by hosting all medical nuclear waste from America on our coasts, dont worry about the greens, we also do not care about them, or Coffe Anan far that matter, even when he is looking at you, his left eye is looking away, . That was my quick thought today of the Export Quality Freedoms. Cag Biciid 2004 Somali Anarchists Declaration Nairobi, Kenya.

Rainbow The word Khalifa is an ambigous one, it can mean 1. Someone to oversee ones property and affairs after his absence 2. It can mean the antonym of SALAF, which is KHALAF or Khalifah, which is someone who takes the place of another or comes after someone (SALAF) who preceded him. Because I do not have enough time, InshaAllah I will explain why I chose the latter in detail. Jazaakallahu Khaiiran for the valuable question. Nur

Q You write: " Nur where does it say in Islam we have four dimensions-- three space and one of time, known as spacetime? What I am trying to say here is be careful in what you say, cause the idea of spacetime was put forward by Einstein in his theory of special relativity. The theory does show how time is another dimension, by linking object’s speed through time just as we can link an object’s speed through space. When an object/particle moves through space relative to us, its clocks runs slow compared to ours. In other words, they age less than we do! " Answer: " I excuse you for a hasty judgement of a passage I wrote, after reading your piece which veered off from the focus on the soul and the Ghaib, to a side issue of physical dimensions and space time theories that attempt to profile them and describe their relationship with the observed natural phenomenae. Here is what I wrote: " I am not quite sure of what you mean by the fourth dimension, but in Islam we have the phyisical with al its four dimensions, 3+ time, as a single dimension, then there is another Ghaib, dimension, which is where heaven and hell lie" The answer was for a writer who asked specifically about the Soul and hence inquired if it has to do with a Fourth Dimension, my answer was not to delve into a special area in theoretical physics and its accompanying K-Theory of non commutative Geometry in search of a quantum geometry, neither was my response about Super String Theory and the on going reserach on Cohomology mathematical tools that are employed for that quest. My response in laymans langauage said that In Islam, the seen and observed natural world around us known in Quraan as DUNYA is composed of the the space and time, if a final dimension existed which the enquirer referred to us the fourth, I said it is the Ghaib, which Allah alone holds the keys to its myteries. The Ghaib is the unknown, in that regard all unproven theories for which no one has a laboratory big enough, tiny enough, heavy enough, light enough, hot enough , cold enough, fast enough, or slow enough to undertake an experiment is the Ghaib, it is immaterial to suggest nine +1 dimensions theory or 10 + 1, the strings are so wishy washy that nothing is detereministic. But those scientists who carry on these research know their limits and are humble, they dont call people foolish, no decent reseracher uses that language, scientists learn from their reserach assitants and students who at times get confused what their mentor is doing, a "foolish" observation I made in a research environment qualified for a patent application and an IEEE student government grant. Finally here is what Scientsis in the Space time Superstring theory say about their works: "We still don't know what the fundamental theory behind string theory is, but judging from all of these relationships, it must be a very interesting and rich theory, one where distance scales, coupling strengths and even the number of dimensions in spacetime are not fixed concepts but fluid entities that shift with our point of view." That is the Ghaib, and they dont even know when they will be resurrected, And as I said and you agreed, ONLY Allah knows the Ghaib. Nur

Viking Bro. This is the best rendering I could come up with the Ghaib, enjoy. Nur

Viking Bro. I am crtain of your firm belief in ghaib, and the fact that the ghaib is in Allah's sphere of knwoledge, but for the sake of this discussion, I can talk about my ignorance in this area. You see Viking, I thnak Allah SWT for giving me an unwavering firm belief in the Ghaib, wallahi bro. I live with the imagination of the ghaib specially the transition to the next life and the reception at the grave by the angels. Since imagination is free, I freely indulge in journeys to the other worlds, and if you have ever read my article on " All in a day, in a place far away" you can grasp how I carry myself through that fourth dimension. In the past, I have experienced several metaphyisical encounters that I cannot explain, I have seen things that look like humans going through walls, I have heard someone I know asking me for help in my quasi dream, later that person confirmed that they were in need for me to help, my dreams are mostly about flying like a bird, gliding in space, I can fly and fly looking down on neighborhoods I used to live in, a very enjoyable experience, all locked up in th ghaib. Can I explain dreams, or how I glide in my sleep, no, only Allah SWT can explain, but I am amazed, I am so ignorant. Nur I

Viking Bro You write: "You said that they were 'two faces of the same entity', which one of the two will be held accountable or will both be held accountable for sins committed? And lastly...what is the fourth dimension according to Islam? " Brother, The Nafs, is linked to lowly desires, earthily yearning and negative influence that is attracted by satan to miguide us. The Ruux, on the other hand is the virtual empowerement fo the bodily functions more concerned with the mechanical aspects of our functions than the logical side, which is the domain of the Nafs. Therefore, the Nafs is where blame will reisde as we will cry in the day of Judgement, NAFSII NAFSII, but never RUUXII, RUUXII. I am not quite sure of what you mean by the fourth dimension, but in Islam we have the phyisical with al its four dimensions, 3+ time, as a single dimension, then there is another Ghaib, dimension, which is where heaven and hell lie, and all others like angels and Jinn. As an astronomy hobbyist, i read many articles from islamic points of view and secular, and each article reenforces my iimaan, Alhamdulillah. Tamina sis you write: " My question is: You've extensively elaborated on the describtion of Nafs and Ruux. How does Qalb(Heart) fit into the scheme of things? Shukran. " My Dear sis The Qalb in the Islamic literature is the home of love, love of Allah SWT which is the essence of warship, the Qalb, can rust with sins, which makes its lenses represent facts in a skewed way, so a person who sins too much, his Qalb becomes like an upside down cub, mirroring only the wrong things and enjoying evil. On the other hand, if one workd to purify their Qalb, it shines Love of Allah, and their outlook in oife is filled with tolerance, patience, benevolence, piety, and diligent work to please Allah SWT by doing the right things of Tawheed, and doing them right by Sunnah. Tamina, sis, you touched my " watar al 7assaas" the qalb is a topic that I like to write about more and more, but today I am in a hurry. Nur

Rahima sis Ngonge bro Viking Bro In the sixties USA, when Angela Davis of the Communist Party of America was being held in prison, the American public was mobilized by the media to hate Communism as an evil. The media ferociously fought communism with all its arsenal and law enforcements took no chance with any commie. It was said that a reporter took it the streets of mainland USA and interviewed passersby of their understand of communism. To the amazement of the reporter, the majority of the public could not define what communism was, but most of them were in support to wipe it. Half a century later America and Nato are facing a new enemy, nicknamed Terrorism, closely identified with Islam and this time the world public, being part of the global village are being brainwashed that Islam = Terror by the same media. Therefore, the war is on terror, it is unfortunate that Islam is being used this time to carry out actions that terrorize the civilized warld. If we learn from the communist experience, we need to eduacte the public about Islam, not yell " War on Islam". It is evident that the 911 attack, was an attack against Islam any which way one slices it, the lie that Islam is linked to terror was only reenforced by Muslims reacting to injustices done to them in many parts of the world. It was very creative that the media ignored the mass killings of Muslims in many parts pf the world, yet, skillfully highlighted the gruesome reaction of some Muslims who acted on their own without any collective approval from the majority of world Muslims. This created a dilemma for Muslims, on one hand, we are collectively branded Terrorists for the action of few, yet when the Prison of Abu Ghureib attrocities were publicized, the Neocons were too quick to deny these actions as unbecoming and unrepresentative of American soldiers and people. In face of this skillful defamation of Islam, if Muslims cry " War on Islam" they will fail to get their case well presented to the western mindset, a different one than ours, a mind that is less emotional, that can be won with a well presented message and logic, one mind at the time. This process needs diligence and patience, not reacting like charging poorly armed Red Indians against Cowboys, look now where the indians are today, in reservations, and what the cowboys are doing worldwide. What we need today is to define what a war is, and what Islam is, to make the connection reasonable, however I assure you that neither one is agreed upon by Muslims or even their opponents. Many Muslims do not hold the same picture about Islam, nor do they all agree on Americas and its allies motives in this dilemma, they vary from well informed to illitrates who watch the evening news to see Israeli Buldozers razing Palestinian homes, Russian soldiers killing Chechens and denying them self determination, Bosnian Muslims women being raped by Serbs, Indian Soldiers denying self determination to Kashmiris, Carpet bombing of Afganistan, Abu Ghreib Prison sadism, the Oil robbery and the division of Iraq, the denial of any Mulslim state to develop weopons of Mass destruction while Israel and the club of 5+India and pakistan are allowed, some 20,000 war heads in total enough to vaporize our planet. Watching these day in and day out can sure create some hot headed people, and when these people act in the name of Islam, fingers are pointed at us collectively, not sparing anyone as reasonable and branding us all as barbarians! So, the way to get back to sanity is to first educate our adversaries about Islam, what it is and what it is not, so as not to deny them the previllage of becoming our brothers in faith to join us in our struggle to gain our respect after we have presented our case to them in a cool headed way, because, islam is not a race, any Isreali, Russian, Fundementalist Christian or even a neocon, can well become our brother in faith if we make an effort to reach out and educate. If on the other hand we choose to fight back, an eye for an eye, the first casualty will be the image of Islam, reenfoircing the image our adversaries wanted to paint us all, and pitifully enough, our people are not up to this tactful task, the world is too close and connected for a medieval war, we need to change the rules of engagement, we need to learn to work with our enemies and win them to islam. This is like a sour medicine, it may even be described as defeatist mentality by our own hawks, but in my opinion, other options are prohibitively expensive. Nur

Truth Seeker I dont have to tell them, Allah SWT did in Quran: " Wa maa asaabakum min musiibatin fi bimaa kasabat aydiikum, wa yacfuu can kathiir" " Any calamity, disaster, attack etc befell on you, is what you have rightfully earned due to your actions, or the lack of, yet Allah has forgiven you for the most part" Also Allah SWT says :" Allah does not change the (bad condition) of a people, unless they change that (which earned them) in themselves" Brother, change begins from within. Nur

Truth Seeker and Viking bro Islam does not need worse enemies than its adherents, afterall it is "Muslims" who should take credit for what is happening to "Muslims", pointing a finger at Christian and Jewsih neocon Zealots does not address the core problem, these neocons are only temporary flies who fell on a wound caused by primarily by Muslims. In my thread as evident, I use the declared statements of those who are "fighting a war on terror", knowing all too well that the Nazi Party of America is a legitimate movement protected by free speech, a party, that no one dares to ban or question their legitimacy, a movement that is credited to the death of 6 Million jews in the most violent way imaginable, in furnances and the white supremacist KU KLUX KLAN, the all white party who used to lynch blacks, and burn their houses, The Jewsih extremits who chased away millions of Palestinians from their homes in 1949, that these and many other similar organizations were not addressed on this "war on terror" is a clear indication of an unfair agenda targeted against Islam, using as a pretext the Muslim extremists who were more likely lured and framed by those who wanted to defame Islam and use it as a pretext to carry out other major world economic and political plans. My question was to discuss the messages from the point of view of those who dance to the tune of Fox News, and who forget that this war is also directed at the very fiber of what is called Democracy, the right to privacy, the right of free speech, the right to an impartial judicial system based on eviudence alone and a jury of ones peers, no mob rule nor lynchings before an evidnce is produced, and a non influenced competitent court system. As an example, today a group of men are being held in Guantanamo bay, declared as illegal combatants, most of these men were aid and relief agency employees, funny enough, this illegal combatants title calls for a licensing process for all those who wish to fight against the US, as if the international laws have a provision for an enemy to get his legal cambatant certification from Congress and White house. Hitler soldires were also illegal combatants in the same sense, but the Geneva conventions covered them well unlike the CIA trained Mujahidin who later were named Al Qaeda, who turned on their CIA former allies after the Soviets were defeated in Afganistan, which weakened the Soviets in the eastern Europe, resulting in the liberation of eastern Europe, Later, the Ex Mujahidin, renamed Al Qaedah, so as not to confuse the good ald allies Mujaahidin name, were deemed to be redundant, but dangereous, thus requiring a liquidation strategy of monumntal proporations, a concerto called 911 was orchetstrated by hidden hands, in which the dummies were the focus of the public, while the maestros were playing behind the scenes like Mozarts fifth symphony, so flowless was the execution of 911, that a European observer said that, No Arab can pull out such an attack on America, they dont even attend meetings on time. This language is more convincing than to simlistically yell " This is a war on Islam" if they have not officially raised the official banner of war on Islam, why suggest it when you know that we are to be blamed in the first place of what happened to our faith? people who calim to be "Muslims" played to the hands of those who want to defame Islam as a faith. Devils advocate You worry me by agreeing with me, because whenevr the devil agrees with me, I question myself, but waht is your trick this time, because we sure agree? :rolleyes: Nur

Br. Sahal A brilliant observation indeed, maashAllah, tabaraakallah, jazakallahu khairan, interestingly the Ansarul Sunnah exisit in Sudan, and the Muhaajiroon in UK, so if any name has validity of being used at the time of the Messenger, it should have been the Ansar and Muhaajiroon, If the Prophet SAWS discouraged this Dawaa as Jaahiliyyah, calling to diviide brothers further, than how can a Salafi agenda and name be defended? In contrast, waht we need today is to bring feuding groups together and bridge their gaps by friendly discussion, because as I believe, we have some 80% of issues in agreement, 20% in dispute, if so, we should build on what we are in agreement, earn each others trust and then cement our diagreement in the other 20% starting with serious aqeedah issues, then progressing toward lesser significant topics. Nur

Salafi Bro. Justifying the validity of a group named Salafis by Sheikh Albanis comments is not sufficient for the following grounds. 1. Allah SWT says " In case you dispute concerning an issue, then refer to Allah and His messenger" by quoting Sheikh Albani as a criterion to settle this issue, you have over looked the Quran as your first source, the Sunnah as your second and even the Saxaabah as a distant third option. If the term Salafis did not exist at the time of Rasulullah, the term has no valid grounds to exist today. If it does, then all groups are also justified. 2. When no Hadeeth nor a verse exists to settle a dispute, an issue could be referred to a scholar, if the scholar is specialized in that field of study, has shown sincereity and understands its repercussions, Shekh Albani's area of expertise that he is well respected for is in the Hadeeth science, the area we are discussing has yet to produce a scholar who can assess the dimension of the problem, put together an assurance measures and call for remedy, in that sense, Albani whose followers have disputes with followers of Sheik Binbaaz is part of the problem of disecting the ummah further, not the solution, and hundred years from today, the Albani followers will have their own interpretation differences as followers Prophet of Proiphet Muhammad SAWS have produced, the sequence thus never ends and one must think about : A. MAQASID AL SHARIICA. ( The Moral Of The Laws) Islam is a surrender to Allah SWT, its laws have both moral aspects and a clear message. The moral of Islam regarding faith is to UNITE people to worship Allah alone, not to divide, there will always be people who will justify divsion, with or without a sincere intention, that in itself is Sunnah kowniya that Muslims will follow the Jews and Christians in the subdivsion, the group that will be saved are not Salafis, nor Tahrirs, but those who follow the prophet SAWS, so instead of identifying our selves with the Prophet and Allah alone, identifying with the Salaf as the Ideal USWAH to follow is indeed in contradiction with the Hadeeth of Rasuulullah SAWS and the name given to us in Quran as Muslims. To say that the name Muslim is not enough, is playing right into the hands of the very people you are trying to admonish and offer advice, it is to open a door of division and fitna that will endure the times. Sheikh Albani is a human after all, not a messenger, so are the Salaf, we should identify our selves with the Prophet as our example, because that is waht Allah SWT said " Laqad kaana lakum fii rasuulillahi USWATUN XASANAH" "Indeed, A Good Model to emulate was set for you in the person of the Messenger of Allah". Is there a better Model in the Salaf for us brother? So If the Salafii Dawa is preaching to follow the Messneger, why stop at the Salafi level? why not say we are Muslims. Our Dawa when peple differ should be to call people to worship one God, not make shirk, and that none of us should take others for Gods by blindly obeying them against the revelation. If they refuse to follow our Dawa, we are instructed in Quraan to say to them " Be witnesses that we are MUSLIMS" isn't that enough brother? " Yaa ahlal kitaabi, tacaalow ilaa kalimatin sawaa in beynanaa wa beynakum, allaa nacbuda illa Allah walaa nushrika bihi shey'an, walaa yattakhida bacdunaa bacdan arbaaban min duuni Allah, fa in tawallow fa quuluu ishhaduu bi annaa Muslimuun" That should be our common meeting grounds, whenever Muslims diverge away from each other, we come back together ascordin to Abrahams call : " Wa jacalahaa kalimatan baaqiyatan fii caqibih lacallahum yarjicuun" Making Tawheed a common word for reproachment for the Ummah to trace back collectively to our origins as Mulsims, not as Salafis. Nur

Assalamu Alaikum a raxmatullah wa barakaatuh All Nomads An advice for Nomads from an ignorant brother. The best Dawa one should support and engage is that of Prophet Muhammad SAWS, in its entirety, nothing added to it, nothing taken away, realistic, wise, addresses the questions of our times and heals our problems, a Dawa that unites Muslims, closes their gaps, and gets people get closer to their maker, a Dawa that shuns polemics and endless arguments that bear no fruit nor heal our wounds. The very usage of names that describe belonging to a particular school of thought like Salafia, Tahrir, Ikhwan, Tabligh, etc is a departure from the Sunnah itself, non of the salaf themselves ever used these names nor did Allah SWT authorized its use, because Abraham had named this Ummah Muslims, the action of some Muslims should not warrant a change of that great name, if anything had ever contributed to divisions among Muslims, it is names and sects that lift banners and rally around a controversial topic to compete for followers. No movement has monopoly on being right, being righteous is an individual effort deeply rooted in the individuals sincerity, while these groups stress on particular aspect of Islam, no one should use this difference of interpretation as the basis for split up, we have disected the ummah into many parts, this forum should not contribute to fomenting difference, it should seed trust and reproachment that is gained though respect of the others point of view, never making people prepackaged and prejudged because of their points of view that can change from day to day. If there is no difference that was raised, one should not intiate a thread begging for one, because, any confusion that is created in the course of a controversial topic like this, and any evil committed, awakenes a dormant fitnah, the writer gets his or her share of this ithm. For a change, there are many topics that majority of the audience would appreciate to read, like fiqh, Tawheed, ibaadaat, akhlaaq, social issues, current events, how to restore our brilliant past, etc. And while these topics are discussed, we should show maturity and accept that everyone has a point of view, but as long as everyone is committed to his deen, and Tawheed is adhered to, we should focus on building together and breathing life to a dead ummah, not dividing up the carcass any further. Nur

OG Girl Was that you who lived next to Cag Biciids house in Qabri Daharre? After reading your case, I think you do need a vision examination of the light side. I do not handle female patients you need to see sister Rahima who apart from the poligamy issue has great vision. Honey D sis ( aka RHM) where in Australia have you been , New Zealanders say Australia is an Island, but i beieve it is a continent because it houses someone like you. Whre was i? 222222 BBBBBB ZZZZZ, I just found a freak free time, I hope it lasts a while. Nur

Nomads, let us visit this rare and serious article I wrote on Islam pages last year, without the influence of any Camel Milk, after revisiting my own writep, I am amazed how time has vindicated my point of view. Nurtel Network News Presents: The War on Terror, The Nomadic View. In This thread, I am sharing my insights with fellow Nomads on current issues that affect our lives, and their implications. In no way do I imply that I have a solution, rather I am just raising questions as to where the current train of thought on these issues is destined, so that wise men and women, regardless of creed or country can reflect and make a better informed decisions to influence direction of current affairs. Billions of Dollars have been earmarked by Congress to fight the scourge of terrorism after the tragedy of September 11, a new Department was created to secure the nation from this dreaded enemy and a lot of freedoms Americans enjoyed were compromised, in order to protect Americans from the terrorist death and destruction. When a public official was asked the motive of the perpetrators of the 9/11, the official said, " they ( Terrorists) hate Freedom", so, as a response the administration requested Congress to issue laws that will revoke present freedoms enjoyed by Americans given to them by the Constitution so that the administration can fight the terrorists who hate our freedoms. If you are like me, a slow learner, you may come to the conclusion that if indeed the Public Official was right about the assertion that the terrorists hate freedom, by curtailing freedoms such as privacy and association, that the terrorists have indeed emerged as the winners in this war. So, it may be worth our while to look into the effects of this terrorism thing to see if indeed it warrants a reaction so fundemental as to repeal basic human rights, International agreements and common sense. What is even more amazing is that, in a time when totalitarianism is going out of fashion, the nation that helped championing human rights is chopping the freedom bird's wings right in its own backyard. Historically, in the seventies and beyond any armed group that caused a terror act was know as guerillas, they targted governmet installations and even civilians to get their point accross, so, if you go back and read old magazines, you will not find the popular buzz word "terroirsts" anywhere, all you will find is guerillas, rebels and the like. Some of this guerillas were even popular among the youth as heroes fighting against what was termed at the time imperialism and hegemony in the Communist Socialis literature. These guerillas were portrayed in the media as heroes fighting for justice and equality like Che Guevara of Chile, Angela Davis of Communist Party of America, Patrice Lumuba of The Congo, and Nelson Mandela of South Africa. These "terror" or "Guerilla" groups were ranging from religiously motivated, like the Jewish settlers of Palestine who were fighting for the establishment of a Jewsish State in Palestine from the British Empire, the Ikhwan Brotherhood of Egypt who wanted to establish an Islamic state in Egypt, to state sponsored or secularly motivated urban Guerillas like the pro-llife groups, California Redwoods Preservationsists , Animal Rights groups, The Japanese Cults, Irish Republlican Army, Spanish Basque, Italian Brigate Rosso, organized crime bosses or Somali Warlords. All these groups had one thing in common, they used illegal or violent means to send a message to intimidate their adversaries to influence a policy. Unfortunately, Their messages always meant human misery, loss of life and destruction of properties. So, the end result of their actions always amounted to death and destruction. Clearly this phenomena or any other that causes human loss of life and properties must be stopped, and in that regard I looked into the statistics of past twenty years of all events that led to loss of human life, legally state sanctioned deaths or illegally committed crimes by terror groups, astonishingly, here is what I found within an hours research. Terrorism: Hoffman a well known expert in this field writes: " Religion has been the major driving force behind international terrorism during the 1990s. As described below, the most serious terrorist acts of the decade--in terms of the number of people killed or the political implications--all have had a significant religious dimension. Hoffman's states: 1992 onward: Bloodletting by Islamic extremists in Algeria has claimed an estimated 75,000 lives. (Note: Here the author does not mention that this war was trigerred by the Military who intervened a potential win by Islamists in the elections and rise to power, fatally damaging the democratic process of power sharing, he also does not mention that the government committed massive killings and deception in the process, all available in Archives of International dailies) February 1993: Thirteen car and truck bombings shake Bombay, India, killing 400 and injuring more than 1,000, in revenge for the destruction of an Islamic shrine. ( No International Action taken ) February 1993: Islamic radicals bomb New York City's World Trade Center, attempting to topple one of the twin towers onto the other, reportedly while releasing a deadly cloud of poisonous gas. ( Dubious Framing) December 1994: Air France passenger jet is hijacked by terrorists belonging to the Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA), who plotted unsuccessfully to blow up themselves, the aircraft, and the 283 passengers on board precisely when the plane was over Paris, which would have caused the flaming wreckage to plunge into the crowded city below. March 1995: Apocalyptic Japanese religious cult releases sarin nerve gas in Tokyo subway system, killing a dozen people and wounding 3,796 others, with reports that the group also planned to carry out identical attacks in the United States.( Japan Was never mentioned as hosting Terror Groups) April 1995: Members of the American Christian Patriot movement, seeking to foment a nationwide revolution, bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. July-October 1995: GIA unleashes a wave of bombings in Paris Metro trains, outdoor markets, cafes, schools, and popular tourist spots, killing 8 and wounding more than 180. November 1995: Jewish religious extremist assassinates Israeli premier Yitzhak Rabin, viewing it as the first step in a mass murder campaign designed to disrupt the peace process. ( The victim could not stomach what Sharon is doing) February-March 1996: String of attacks by Hamas suicide bombers kills 60 people and turns the tide of Israel's national elections. April 1996: Machine-gun and hand-grenade attack by Egyptian Islamic militants on a group of Western tourists kills 18 outside their Cairo hotel. June 1996: Religious militants opposed to the reigning al-Saud regime in Saudi Arabia perpetrate truck bombing of U.S. Air Force barracks in Dhahran, killing 19 people. November 1997: Terrorists belonging to the Gamat al-Islamiya (Islamic Group) massacre 58 foreign tourists and 4 Egyptians at the Temple of Queen Hatshepsut in Luxor, Egypt. August 1998: Attackers believed to have been financed by Saudi Arabian dissident Osama bin Laden bomb U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 257 people, including 12 Americans, and injuring more than 5,000 in Kenya, and killing 10 people and injuring dozens in Tanzania. Bin Laden had issued a fatwa, or Islamic religious edict, as part of his worldwide campaign against the United States. An estimated 5,000 adherents throughout the Muslim world allegedly are prepared to follow his summons to battle. The last part of this report by Hoffman is very interesting, Bin Laden, as he claims, has alledgedly 5000 potential followers who may commit spectacular crimes like his ( which has never been proven in any court of law anywhere so far), this allegation if true is indeed horrible for humanity, but shouldn't we look into other similar group's intentions as close as this one? Like state sponsored terrorism , Sharon, who was found responsible for the killing in Sabra and Shatilla by a a competent Israeli court and who has as many followers as voted him into office, but horribly enough, with proven Nuclear capabilitiy. A Somali Proverb says: * ( Oohinta orgiga ka weyn) and its English counterpart says: * "It is but seldom that any one overt act produces hostilities bewteen two nations, there exists more commonly , a previous jealousy and ill will, a predesposition to take offense". (Washington Irving, The sketchbook of Geoffrey Crayon) But because Israel is an Ally of USA, attrocities committed by this state in trigerring the mayhem, destruction and international terrorism is seldom addressed by Congress where the pro Israel Lobby viciously attacks any suggestion to control Israel. To this effect Leon Trotsky said : "An ally has to be watched just like an enemy" because at the end, American interests, regardless of its ehnic groups or pressure lobbies shall weigh heavier than any expedient political manuevers if the nation has to exist as the its founders envisioned. Assuming the 5000 zealot theory of Hoffman to be true, I compared these numbers to PROVEN and legally state sanctioned deaths in the USA. America, a nation that prides itself in the preservation of human freedoms, dignity , property and life, I compared the Terror statistics and deaths with statistics from the Departmenmt of Justice on Crime and other statistics of legalized venues and means that cause the same if not worse devastation and horror, but only if cameras were present like the one that scared the hell out of me. No one describes death like the man who killed millions of his subjects in the name of communism and Patriotism: Joseph Stalin said: " A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic. ." Here are some of the sobering statistics: 1. Over a million babies are killed in cold blood every year in USA ( Silent Screams) 2. 1000 Americans die of Cigarette related ailment DAILY, 3000 kids begin smoking every DAY. ( Philip Morris should be tried for these crimes against humanity) 3. 15 Million violent crimes are committed in USA annualy ( Murder, Rape, Robbery,Aggrevated assualt etc) 4. 20,000 Americans are murdered every year ( Compared to 2900 in 9/11 Tragedy) 5. 17,000 Alcohol related crimes and 16000 Alcohol related Traffic deaths, 3 Million crimes/year committed by drunk offenders. 6. 1000 Americans are Raped EVRY DAY, and 3 % of all college women are raped ( completed rapes 1.7%) 7. 15000 Robberies annually ( Billions of $$ are stolen, white collar like ENRON or street thieves) So, who should Americans fear most? As much as I abhor anarchism and terrorism, I equally detest what is called war on terror, because like Henry Kissinger said " The conventional army loses if it does not win, the guerilla wins if he does not lose" , I do not see an end to this madness and honestly if it continues, The USA will emerge out of this war that may never have a decisive end a weaker and poorer nation that compromised a lot of its centuries old ideals while chasing an elusive enemy of its own creation. The Chinese Philosopher Sun Tzu summed it up as: " There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare." , The Art Of War. In Conclusion, if securing human life and its quality is the priority of the American Constitution, then there is no better way to achieve that goal other than a comprehensive system of justice that everyone can buy into it, because like Martin Luther Kind said " Injustise ANYWGERE threatens Justice everywhere" , as long as any segment of the human family is not safeguarded, there will be no equillibrium, or a balance and thus security will remain an illusion at best. Allah SWT referring to Prophet Abraham's plight with his people says : Those who "aamanuu" (became peaceful by surrendering to their maker) and further, who have not cloaked up their convictions and ideals ( their surrender to Allah) with injustice, those indeed ( deserve ) security and these are indeed the guided ones. Nur 2003 Nurtel News Networks Nomadic News Analyses