Viking Bro. You write: " Sometimes people just wonder how and why certain events unfolded the way they did. The questions Sakina has posed are legitimate and deserve to be adressed, for her worries are not about the contents of al-Kaafi or the story of ibn Saba, but certain significant historical events . Answer: Allah SWT says "And those who came first to belive in Islam, from among the Immigrants and the Helpers and those who followed them in good deeds, Allah was pleased with them and they were pleased with Him . He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein forever. That is the great triumph ." (Al-Tawbah, 100) He also says: " Muhammad the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him, are firm upon the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves, you see them bowing down, prostrating themselves ." (Al-Fatx, 29) The best source to validate any claim would be the Quraan, here brother Allah SWT clearly says that he was satisfied with the companions of Muhaamad SAWS. Not to believe the Quraan and instead to believe concotted stories written by people I have shown their contempt for the Quraan is a grave error, to claim that the companions have collectively conspired to deny the Imamate to Ali would constitute a conflict with the above verses of Quraan in which Allah SWT exonerated the companions with such laudable qualities, it also casts doubt on the choice of Allah's words about the companions, which is a major league sin. The story of that thursday is the congregating point of the Shia who wanted to make a case predating the problem created by Abdullah Ibn Sabaa and company , so that the rift would seem to have started way back during the first Caliphate which is an outright lie. What is known by all is that the Companions never held a unanimous vote on any issue, although they ovewhlmingly made bayca for Abu Bakar, there were those who did not, however, it never constituted a warrant for the divison of Muslims politically nor in beliefs as stark as I have presented. A critical person would at least suspect some fishy business, shouldn't you too suspect who would be the beneficiary of such division in the Ummah during these early days? Who would have benefited from chaos in fight over leadership? and of all people, why would Ali give baycah to Abu Bakar if he was the right WASIYY for Wialaayah, like the Shia claim. The reason that I have presented the stories from the Shia books and their beliefs was in itself to support of the invalidity of their claims. I have even presented from their Major source Nahjul Balaagha, the Sermon of Ali RAA about the caliphate Which Ali Clearly says without any protest from the authenticity: " I was elected by the same people who have elected Abu bakar, Omar and Othman whith the same mandate as theirs, so neither does a present person has a right to elect nor an absent person have the right to reject (as the same committee elected me with the same mandate), because the Shuraa consultative election is for the Muhaajirs and the Ansaar, and they have unanimously elected a man and they named him an IMAAM, an action that pleased Allah SWT, so in case a person dissents their choice by a slander, or introduces a Bidcah, (innovation ) bring him back to his sense, if he refuses, fight him for his (crime) of following a different path than that of the believers" source ; Nahjul Balaagha, Volume 3, page 7 Ali RAA in his speech referred to the above verse in which Allah SWT said he was pleased with the companions, when hes said : " because the Shuraa consultative election is for the Muhaajirs and the Ansaar, and they have unanimously elected a man and they named him an IMAAM Ali goes on to tie this fact to the satisfaction of Allah in the above verse saying : ".......an action that pleased Allah SWT " With such a clear manifest from the Amirul Mumineen, Ali RAA himself, and from their most revered source, Nahjul Balaagha Book, neither you nor the sister are still convinced until I address what happened that Thursday, but with Allah's help, I shall, inshaAllah, I will address it if Allah blesses me with a breathing time. But again, you may well decide not to believe the facts I presented, but that would be your rightful choice, and my duty as a warner ends at that point. Nur

The Bashi For President Campaign Comittee Presents: An Interview With Bashi Dear Bashi Please answer the folowing questions on behalf of the silent audinece who would like to know where do you stand on major issues that matters to Somalis. First: Securing Anarchy: 1. As the next President of Somalia, what would be your priorities to secure Anarchy which we Somalis love, in the first 100 days in power? 2. Do you belive in the freedom to own and carry guns? because as they say, guns dont kill people, (poor)people kill (rich) people. 3. How would you enforce and maintain Somalis's supremacy in Anarchy? This is the only category that we have no competition as a Nation. 4. What would you do with petty criminals raoming the streets? Any programs to increase their income? 5. What is your long term strategy in securing Anarchy in Somalia, for example, The Northern Brakeaway Republic of Somaliland is a threat to Anarchy, and Puntland is imitating that region , what are you going to do about these concerns? Economy 1. What are your priorities in the liberalization of the natural resources and water supply? toxic waste dumbing, forset destruction, over fishing on Somali coasts with japanese trawlers vacuuming all our resources to make few anarchists rich etc..? 2. Do you believe in globalization ( in Somali it is dubbed " Ninka Roon Reerka Ha U Hadho " principle of dog-eat-dog market competition, dumbing and locking out little guys out of lucrative consessions? 3. How are you going to spend aid money? 4. How many of your clan supporters are going to be treasurers of public funds? 5. Who are you going to appoint to head the important position of Briggs?Cash Transport Company? 6. We understand that you are currently broke, financially, we accept the fact that the first 4 years is for you to get rich, my concern, is waht are your plans for the next four years to develop your clan? Cag Bakayle from Nairobi Sponsored by: Somali Anarchist Association London - Minneapolis - Melbourne - Maine - Toronto - Dubai

Sakina sis Allah also says; " O ye who believe, why do you say things you yourselves do not act on, It is indeed earning you Allah's wrath that you say that which you don't act upon" Al Saff verses 1-2. Dear Sis First you make fun of Wahhabis, then you suggest that they changed their name to Salafis, then like you say you believe the Shia version that Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab was a working for Saud, which in accodring to the Shia sources you read , implies that he was not good man therefore should not be believed, and then you call the facts that I presented " Wahhabi Propoganda" Amazingly you've also missed the spirit of the verses that you have posted, the spirit was to make Muslims United in doing good and stopping evil and worshipping Allah SWT alone, so the verse before that one in Suurah Al Hujuraat orders us to mediate quarrelling parties with impartiality, which you have not shown in your parlance. Sister, based on above observation, is there a chance that the verse in Surah Al Hujuraat applies to you also? if yes, then why don't you tell that to the Shia to think well about Aisha RAA who Allah SWT sent a whole Chapter Suurah Al Nur, to clear her name and the Shia are so bent on defaming her in their literature, also her Father, the Prophet's BEST FRIEND, Omar the Just , and the man who married two daughters of the Prophet SAWS Othman, all of which the Shia believe they are Kuffar along with all the companions except for three companions. You can find that out by doing more Research, and according to the records in this thread if you have any interest to dig for truth? When I critisize your thoughts, I am critizing ideas that have no place in Islam, Poison that is being sugar coated for non suspecting people like you, I am NOT CRITISIZING YOU PERSONALLY, just the thoughts that you espouse, so do not make your person the object of this thread. This thread was opened to educate poeple about the Shia School of Thought in full transparency, so before you buy the whole package called Shia, become an educated consumer of thoughts, read my research and then correct me if I am wrong, however if you throw a direspectful salvo at great Muslims like Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, without clear proofs, then you may not be happy with responses like mine. Peace Nur

Viking Bro. What makes you think that suspecting a person to be a Shia is necessarily a bad thing? As my thread says, " I am also a Shia too " with double confirmation, Being A Shia as we defined is being a defendant of Ali RAA and his supporter ( Waliyy) , I said over and aver, that all Sunnis are in this regard (WALIYY) to Ali and his place in the Khilafa. The sister clearly has confirmed that she believs what she called Wahhabis to be making Propoganda against Shia, which no matter how you slice that statement, she is a sympathizer and supporter, thus a Shia. You dont need a certificate to be a Shia, just thinl like them. My main point in this thread has been the differentiation of Shiism today as represented in their books ( Kaafi, Bihaarul Anwaar etc) and Shiisam in Ali's time, which I have clearly demarcated like Geological times. In a discussion, debators will say statements that tell a lot about their stand no matter how much they try to conceal. For example, In this thread Q, or Feinman began debating as a third person, it was that sensitivity and my awareness of past tactics in past discussion that makes me bold to challenge debators to be transparent in the disussion, not making rings and calling a spade a spade. The sister, with all due respect, is masquarading, she has not interest whatsoever in referring to any of my post and she presents a fresh new question lists that show that she is on to some other mission, well, in that case, I do not accept divertion tactics, she needs to ask question on what has been presnted, either agreeing or disagreeing, but to ignore all that meticulously copliled and verified references from shia books, is a an intellectual fraud at best. Nur

Nomads As you have all read above, Mudane, Mr. Bashi, BS,MSE, PhD, LLP, PE, STU, SRT, BE, SeR, Ght, FFR, SceHH, ER, PPA, WQ and YUT ( 16 Degrees) Has shown beyound doubt his spotless qualification in the following areas: 1. Edgmocation ( 16 Degrees) 2. Womens Rights ( Raula as Running Mate) 3. Extensive Experience in doing nothing 4. Tribal Loyalty beyound question 5. Support of Ethiopia, USA, Puerto Rico and Micronesia 6. Ferocious fighter against terrorism 7. Privatisation of government ( he believes that it is non of a government's busines if you decide to grow Marijuana or Qaat in your backyard, as long as his Government gets its cut, he wil also protect you with Ethiopian Police ) 8. He believes in saving government expenditure by outsourcing Defense to contractors like Ethiopia and Burkina Faaso. 9. He belives that he can show the world a new Model of gevernment, the Perpetual government, which runs without any apparent interference except from weopons dealers, drug traffickers, " See we had no traditional government for 13 years, and we are still functioning " says the candidate to the highest Office. 10. He is a devout Qaaderi, meaning, he can immediately win Condaleeza Rice's cornfirmation and Coffe Annan's nodding, he has pictures showing them in a Sufi Dance session. The Committe for the Election of President Bashi BASHI FOR PRESIDENT " Follow Me Out Of Curiosity " President Baashi Nur: Secretary Conscious Manipulation: Chairperson Murad: Treasurer ( Lacagta ha la fakanin yaah?!) I am hereby Announcing the: Bashi For President Campaign Committee Ladies and Gents, The Campaign is in Full SWING Please send your conributions to these address: 1. Muraad C/O. Maqaayadda Muraayad Cag Bakayle, Eastleigh, Nairobi , Kenya. ( Note: You can only Use Xawaaladda Reer Qansax ) Nur

A Mock Convention To Be Held on these Pages Nomads As always, Brother Bashi is a catalyst in these forum to seed thoughts that are timely and needed. This time his thoughts gave me an idea in launching our own Anarchist Government in Exile and call for a mock convention on these boards to elect SOL members who are hopeful to be Presidents and Ministers. The Convention will be called Somalia On A Lie, A Big Huge lie, I believe after reading the thoughts of Nomads on these pages that they can make a better Anarchist Government than that one in Nairobi. So let us organizae this mock convention on SOL, invite family and friends to support you become a Presdient at least on these pages, tell us about how you'd run a government, plans etc. audience is used to listen lies from politicians all the time, so be creative, because the maturing audience don't fall for simple lies anymore, you may need a PhD in Metaphisics in conjunction with Neuro-refugee-braino-disorderites Pathology. Just Imagine, if this parody , like any other lie that is going on, takes a life of its own, say we collect signatures of all SOL Nomads to show that the ellected guy ( or Girl, to be open minded, just in case we need a mind ) has real constituency, just imagine, the euphoria that at last you too can send your favored politician from these boards to represent SOL crowd and we can call Coffe Annan to sent observers to SOL Politics section to see for himself , that we SOL froums Somalis are for REAL just like the guys in Nairobi The late Xaaji Malcom X Al Shahbaaz, once said in one of his famous fiery speeches that black Americans will get their rights either by " The Ballot or the Bullet" Well, well, the Somali Anarchists congregating in Nairobi have found a compromise, you don't need a Ballot nor a Bullet to get your rights as a Somali. Somalia will be the first country in History in which those living a normal life and thinking logically like me and you are not allowed to vote to determine the future of their country, In Nairobi, Somali Anarchists with the support of Aid Donors like the EU, USA, IGAD , Ethipia and Kenya have agreed that the Dead Somalis alone should be allowed to vote to decide who shall run ( or destroy ) the country. The Dead are finally vindicated, they can decide who will govern Somalia, and with their numbers, they shall point their dead fingers at those who took heir lives away, electing him as the President for the living as a curse to haunt us collectively for years to come. But since it is not convenient for the dead Somalis to vote for their choice of candidate, because they are unable to move around their tight graves, talk or disagree with living Somalis, The delegates in Nairobi decided that the Tribal faction that killed the most Somalis will be given the previllage of leading the living Somalis, that is right, if you can't prove that you have killed a lotta Somalis, you have no power or mandate to rule the living, because, the dead citizens count in Somali politics as they run political affairs from the background , and they are quietly deciding our fate as a nation. So in that above spirit and soul ( or lack of it, in the case of the dead Somalis ) Nomads at SOL shoul do a little ( Soul Searching, I mean counting dead Somalis who can vote for us, I mean has any Nomad killed many people back home ; ) ?) so we can find a way to put the Nomad of our choice in the forefront of this quest for power in Somalia from the comfort of our living rooms as armchair Generals and Commodores. Now, please nominate your Candidate for the following positions: President (Cerimonial l Like the Queen) Prime Minister ( Most Powerful Guy/Girl in Somalia) Speaker of The House ( He is not required to speak at all, Just count votes and silence the talkative MPs) After we succeed in eleceting these three Candidates on these boards, we can give the Prime Minister to Form her/his Government Like Our Politicians say.....To Be Continu-weed (Qat) Nur 2004 e-Nuri Satirical Political Lampoons Where Even Dead Citizens Vote

You all surprised me with your creative suggestions . Thanks to Rudy man, always a pleasure to have on these boards, he is deffinetely a politician on the rise, his sense of humor shall qualify him for Minister of Culture ( Californian) who may have to figure out a solution to the Somali expatriates who wil come back with different backgrounds and outlook in life. Shifta Bro. I liked your suggestion, I immediately incorporated in the requirements, you are must when it comes to the Minister of Border Control to aid fleeing refugees across NFD. Waryaa Dude is realling diggin this, I suggest we nominate him Minister of mental institutions, who will have to deal with a crazy population beyound hope, this Minsiter can aonly survive his job if he can laugh out loud and roll on the floor with tears in his eyes. N-O-O-R, Bro You figured it right! truth makes you laugh, never a lie, unless of course it is a good one, like the warlords claims for justice, order and progress for Somalia. Shoobbaro That is right, that ststement was a true statement quoted by a Big Business man who was listening to a Business Plan proposal presentation that was in English by a guy from the west looking for funding, the rich businessmena said " Af Somali noogo fasir, saa nin Af Ingiriis yaqaan lacag ma heystee" Baashi Bro. The best contribution to e-Nuri Satirical Political Lampoons, I am archiving these great points to be used in future posts, when we are ready to declare our own Anarchist Parody Goevernemnt on Somalia-on-a-lie Convention which will be held , you guessed it, right here on SOL pages. Saxardid bro. Thanks for the additions, we will advertise jobs for unemployed Philosophers working on SOL. They can serve great posts in the anarchist Government of Somalia, Bwana Jumatatu agrees with your view and so do I. Nur

Mutakallim Kowneyn Viking This is a an auxiliary side thread I posted to aid in the authentication process for hadeeths that we will use in the debate. If You have to post a Hadeeth that is said to be from Sunnah source as a proof to your point of view, please do not post without its accompanying classificationa dn Isnaad., such as Reporte by, Class Saxiix, etc. As we debate the topic, we will probably disagree fundementally on sources, since the Shia scholars do not accept the Sunnah hadeeths except for those that aid their point of view, and vice versa, and since the background in which a Hadeeth was compiled is more important than the Hadeeth itself, I will post a summary process of the Sunnah Methodology that I compiled a while back for another discussion. Likewsie, I Kindly ask you to post the method of authentication of hadeeths for the Shia scholars so that I also will not post a Shia hadeeth to supportt my claim which is not accepted by the Shia due to its failure in their methodology criteria. Bismillah, wa bihi astacin, wa usalli wa usallim calaa Rasulih, wa aalih, wa saxbih wa man ittabacahum bi ixsaan iaa yowmil qiyaamah. Summary Of Authentiction Of Hadeeths for Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamaacah. 1. Definition of hadeeth, 2. Classifications Of Hadeeths, 1. Definitions for starters Linguistically, the meaning of (Hadeeth) is from the Arabic word HADATHA, or news, incident, event etc. Hadeeth ( News) linguistically is antonym with (Qadeem) past, old, history. Also, in the Arabic, the young kids are known as (Axdaath) new age ( not to be confused with new age religion). The word Hadeeth in the religious context is reserved to all the news that were reported from the Prophet Mohammed SAWS. So the news needs verification. And the verifications of the story is the science of the Hadeeth. If the same rigorous method of cross verification, contextual, integrity, background, environment, etc verification is applied to Newsweek and Time Magazines, ( The contemporary Hadeeths), for example, they would not stand a chance in publishing a single issue, why you may ask, and the answer to that question leads to the next the following: Types of Hadeeths 1. Category one : Saheeh (Correct ) A Hadeeth of this category enjoys the highest credibility, it is used in the Sharia as an augmentation of the explanation of the Quraan. Denial of a Hadeeth in this category is a grave sin and it can lead to Kufr. This Category has many variations of Correctness, and ahadeeth to be ranked Sahih, or Correct must meet all of the criteria's of correctness, ( Political Correctness, is not considered in Islam ). As an introductory survey, we will mention three of the elements of correctness for an example. 1. Correct in terms of the line of narration (ISNAAD) 2. Correct in terms of the anthology ( Method of collection) : Similar to police evidence collection methods ( Remember the Simpson Case?) 3. Correct in terms of the text itself (MATN). So as you can deduce, a hadeeth can be correct in terms of line of narration and compilation, but still may fail the textual integrity, in this case we call this hadeeth a defective Hadeeth (maa' lool), failing to reach Sahih level, but still may qualify for other category as we will visit. If on the other hand the hadeeth is textually correct, but the line of narration has a gab in the linkage of narrators, we call this hadeeth Broken chain hadeeth ( Munqadie). If the hadeeth is compiled in a way different than the standard methods employed by the scolars ( Jumhur), then, that hadeeth does not enjoy the Saheeh category and we will visit the terminologies in the days to come in ShaAllah. A hadeeth can further be Correct (Saheeh) for its own contents self support, ( This is like a travel document for a refugee, not a passport for a citizen) we call this category ( Saheeh li thaatih). A Hadeeth can further be correct for the support of another Hadeeth only ( Saheeh li gheirih), or the Hadeeth can serve both roles. In another category, the hadeeth can be saheeh on the conditions set by the compilers ( saheeh alaa shardeyhimaa), the compilers are Bukhaari and Muslim. And the last category of this quick survey is the (Correct-but-Odd) category, (saheeh ghareeb), meaning the hadeeth has qualified for the saheeh category but was reported by only one narrator with top credibility clearance. Criteria For the Classification of The Hadeeth The following Five Criteria are used to classify a hadeeth to be a Saheeh 1. Al Sanad ( Chain of narrators ), The chain is continuous, no missing links. 2.Adaalah, (Narrators Character, must be flawlessly perfect, in terms of piety, credibility, courage, generosity, wisdom and good judgment) If this stringent condition is applied in politics, no US president or any other world leader today can fulfill such requirement. 3. Al Dhabd, ( meaning that the narrator have memorized the hadeeth beyond question, or recorded it in a tablet, and is able to recollect it with consistency whenever requested ). This condition implies that he is mentally sharp, serious in delivering responsibilities. ( President Ronald Reagan would not have made it to the Whitehouse with his famous "I Do Not Recall" ) 4. Cadam Al Shuduud , ( A Hadeeth must not be an odd hadeeth ) , Shuduud means that a narrator who is sufficiently credible provides a hadeeth that contradicts another hadeeth narrated by a more credible narrator, in terms of degree of their respective memorization competencies, lingusitic compprehension abilities ( Not failing their SAT) etc. ( This is analogous to two officers with different levels of security clearance presenting testimony to a judge to support a point of view. The testimony of the officer with the higher level of clearance supercedes the testimony of the lower clearance level officer) 5. Cadam Al E' laal . ( Free of any defective characteristic that compromises the hadeeth's credibility) For example there is a mismatch in the names of the narrators, like saying, Ronald Kennedy reported this hadeeth from John Reagan), so although this hadeeth may have met other stringent requirements, it clearly has a defect (E'llah) although when closely viewed may not present serious infringement of the rules, if we patiently reconstruct the sequence, like ( Ronald Reagan reported form John Kennedy). So Any Hadeeth that passes those criteria with flying colors is called Saheeh in general terms, because, there is more to calling a hadeeth saheeh than this survey of ours can cover. Category Two. The Hassan hadeeth Hassan Hadeeth is not as flawless as the Correct ( Saheeh) hadeeth we have discussed above, but is nevertheless a reliable hadeeth that passed key Non-Fatal error criteria to qualify for applicability with caution, this is like the yellow light when driving, you have to proceed with caution, relying on Quraan as a check, but still leveraging its value on areas were other more reliable hadeeths are not available. ( This is like physicists relying on a theory until they find a better explanation) This Category though, is much more reliable than the next category of the Daciif, weak hadeeth. Al Tirmidhi , One of the major compilers of the Hadeeths has defined the Hassan Category as follows : Any hadeeth , whose narrators: 1. Character is not a Questionable issue , while some of the narrators in the chain may be known to be forgetful in some past narrations , but have never lied knowingly at any point in their lives ever. 2. The Stature of this narrator do not rise to the level of the reporters of the Saheeh category in the above five scoring criteria ( Meaning, they have lower level clearance ), yet, the narrators meets some minimum acceptability standard (beyond scope of this brief survey) to be considered a reliable hadeeth. Final Category is the (Daeef ) category ( Weak hadeeth) Any hadeeth who fails in the above two categories is Weak, A weak hadeeth is not advised to be followed or applied in any legal issue nor settle an ambiguity in faith matters nor business law dsiputes. Unfortunately, Many of the Hadeeths floating and causing confusion in the Muslim world belong to this last category, which promts the attack on the Sunnah and Hadeeth and. This type of hadeeth, is the kind of evidence a Judge will not hesitate to throw out of his court Nur 2002 e-Nuri Legacy Traditions Reliable Hadeeths , flow from Reliable Authentication Process.

Sakina sis You write: " I found that most of the propaganda against the shias are coming from the Wahhabis. Wahhabis call themselves Salafis because people started asking questions about the Sheikh they follow Mohammed Ibn Abdullah Wahhab. Infact his own brother Ismail and father were against him. So he made an alliance with Saud and they took over all the Arabian Peninsula" Answer: Since you have done "Research" and found out about the "Wahabis" which you imply I belong, since they are those more likely to make " Propoganda" against the Shia, could you please as a scholar who made research DEFINE : 1. What is Wahaabism? 2. Who coined this term? 3. Who are the Salafis? 4. Are you sure that the Sheikh's name is " Mohammed Ibn Abdullah Wahhab" because if this is the way yo do research, at least you should get names right, His name is Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, not Abdullah Wahhab as you wrote and its no Typo error. 5. Since you claim to be a neutral person, why do you say what is said about the Shia is Propoganda, and what the Shia say about the Sunnah is NOT. to be believed as a neutral pesron who is doing research, you need to listen both sides, then make a non prejudiced judgement based on evidence presented. That way you will be respected, otherwise, if you dont read what is written and try to divert the discussion to Conspiracy theories claiming that Wahaabism was invented by the British empire, I will be careful not to call you an impartial researcher. Allah knows what you indeed are, and what you are concealing, It is not easy to think well about a person who follows people who believe that all the companions became Kuffar after the death of the Prophet SAWS. Nur

Shifta bro. You sure are having good time in Mandheera, you must be envied fro such a great life, are any of your rural development taking off, let me know if you need assistance from e-Nuri Renewable Energy Research, we theorize the use of accoustic energy of Fadhi-Ku -Direr people to power an entire village. How are the Garam garams, I only passed through their territory running on foot to save my life, How is life in Garmgaramland? Nowadays I like all of garamgarams because of your great personality, so next time I come through I have to cool down with a Haroob buuxa of caano geel, inshAllah. Take Care. Nur

Dear Sister Sakina: You dont have to hide being a Shia, it is OK, because if you dont admit being one you can not be helped. A have defined Shia to mean in Arabic a Supporter of Ali RAA,. so in that regard all of the Muslims in the workd are Shia. The problem of who should lead the Ummah as Imam after the death of teh Prophet SAWS was not as reported by the NEW Shia, who have fabricated much of what you have read in history to make a case for their existence that began in the Khilafa of Ali and took a tailspin afterwards during the purported absence of the Kid Imaam for 65 years who communicated form his hideout through three guys who pretty much highjacked Shiism to the point of make absurd unbelievable stories such as when they claimed that a Donkey talked to the prophet SAWS. Now , let us assume that you dont believe Sunnis either, that is fine sis. So let us get to the bottom of this in a deductive or inductive reasoning like detectives. let us ask smart questions. 1. If Ali was the rightful Khalifa, who the prophet SAWS assigned to be the next KHalifa or imaam, whay did he give bayca to Abu Bakar? We will not accept that he did it for TUQYA, because if that was the case, he would have done it with the Khawarij, Ali was a brave man, he spoke his mind and never accepted falshood, if he did accepted falsehood, how can he be brave khalifah? 2. We all know that the Companions,how much they have sacrificed for the Prophet SAWS, how much they loved him and his family, here are some examples of how much they loved the Prophet SAWS a. The Prophet SAWS married Abu Bakar's daughter b. Othman married two daughters of the Prophet SAWS, he was nicknamed "Dhul Nurein" Double Lighted" companion c. Omar asked Ali for the hand of his daughter in marriage, when Ali asked why, Omar said, he wants to feel the progeny of the Prophet SAWS because of his love for Alal beit, Omar married Ali's daughter. d. The Conmpanions were willing to sacrifice their lives for the Prophet SAWS. Now after his death, all in a sudden they conspire agianst his advice and usurp power and do injustice to Ali and Fatima? What could be the driver for so many companions who served so well to change so swiftly to become Kuffar as Kuleiny and other Shia Scolars report and you seem to believe. Was it: Money: you know better than that! Love of Power: you know that none of the Khalifas, Abubakar, Omar or Othman allowed his kids to be khalifa after them, so that rules out! May be they all became Crazy.... . that is better than being Kuffar, but can all of them except three guys go crazy knowing there was no Qat to chew like in Somalia, that is why we have Civil war in Sonalia, because of Qat! and Qabil! Tell me sis what would be the driver for something even you would not do, are you and me better than the companions of the Prophet SAWS? 3. Why would Ali say this statement in the most respected book of the Shia: source Nahjul Balaagha: " I was elected by the same people who have elected Abu bakar, Omar and Othman whith the same mandate as theirs, so neither does a present person has a right to elect nor an absent person have the right to reject (as the same committee elected me with the same mandate), because the Shuraa consultative election is for the Muhaajirs and the Ansaar, and they have unanimously elected a man and they named him an IMAAM, an action that pelased Allah SWT, so in case a person dissents their choice by a slander, or introduces a Bidcah, (innovation ) bring him back to his sense, if he refuses, fight him for his (crime) of following a different path than that of the believers" source ; Nahjul Balaagha, Volume 3, page 7 . Shifta Bro. Good to hear from you again, did you read the whole thread or part of it Bro? your comment seems politically correct. Nur

Bashi and Murad I have posted a response to your thoughts on the Politics section, check it out! Nur

Somali Anarchist Declaration # (SAD)65432 The Formation of A National Anarchist Government For Somalia. The Nairobi Convention. This piece was triggered by Nomads Muraad and Baashi, who reminded me of the Anarchist Convention in Nairobi. Murad and Bashi Kii waxaa waaye, Cag Bakayle, as Bashi reminded me, how can I miss such an easy hint! You see, bro, kii is everywhere, even as we speak in the Nairobi Anarchists Convention, the anarchists who are all representing their Tribes are discussing how to share power, the selection process criteria is as simple as follows. 1. Electing A President: The person who heads the tribe that killed the SECOND MOST civilians, and if not elected can contribute to the derailing of all the peace efforts. 2. Prime Minister: The person who heads the Tribe that killed THE MOST civilians, and if not elected can derail all the peace efforts. 3. Speaker of the House The person who heads the Tribe that owns fertile lands, bread basket of Somalia. He Reminds Members of Parliament " Af Wax Cunay Xishoo" Ministers 4. Minsiter of Finance : Goes to the Tribe that has most weopons and least money. 5. Minister of Trade : The person whose tribe controls and occupies most shipping ports and airports and has most ISBAARA points on roads between Bossaso and Kismayo. 6. Ministry of Forestry and Livestock; Person whose tribe burned most Trees, destroyed the environment and exported charcoal and female goats and camels to the Gulf. 7. Minister of Education Person whose tribe owns most businesses but lacks knowledge to run the business, such as basic skills of writing a business plan. The Ministers Signature reads ( Wallee, Maanta Nin Af Ingiriis Bartay Lacag Ma Heysto ). 8. Minister of Defense Directly elected by Ethiopia, with Kenya's approval. 10. Minsiter of Interior Appointed by Condaleeza Rice 11. Minister of Telecommunications,Posts, Internet, whispering, iljabis, isu baaqid and all forms of communications Appointed by Condaleeza Rice 12. Minsiter of Religious Affairs A Kitaab Gaablow, from minority Tribes, Appointed by Conaleeza Rice with Jerry Falwell Recommendations, Mandate : Simple " The Only Fundementalism Allowed is Christian Fundementalism " 13. Minister of Refugee Affairs and is-Xambaaridda, Baasaboor Fujiska iwm . Goes to Tribe who sends most money back home. 14. Minister of Justice The Warlord who is most fearful to be summoned by the World Justice Court at the Hague and the Interpol for Genocide, who needs immunity while in office for the next 20 years. 15. Minister of Fadhi Ku Dirir Affairs To serve a large constituency abroad who need representation Candidate should prove that : a. He was on welfare for the last 12 years b. Never worked a day to earn a living c. Who found out all about his tribes origin after the Civil War. Please fill other Ministries I forgot about. Nur 2004 e-Nuri Satirical political Lampoons When you cant stomach it, laugh about it!

Mutakallim bro. Thanks for your patience, it was learning journey for me, I feel that I could write a book after compiling so much of the Shia sources around me, I hope it was the same for you. Now the flor is all yours and I am all ears (eyes) to read and respond to you. I hope that in order to reach an agreement or decide to disagree that we first stick to definition that we use , like 1. Shia (As Defined in Arabic Language) 2. Imaam ( As Defined in Arabic Language) 3, Ilaah, God ( As Defined in Arabic Language) 4. Bidaa ( As Defined in Arabic Language) 6. Rajcah ( As Defined in Arabic Language) 7. Cismah of Imaams( Infallibility) Nur

Sakina sis You asked me: " My question to brother Nur is are you saying that all the islamic ummah were not following the sunnah till Ibn Abdullah came to save them in the late 1700th? " Answer: No, my dear sister, I am not saying that. With all due respect, your question tells me that you have not done your research well, because if you read my post, you will not find a SINGLE reference to Ibn Abdullah. What I said in a nutshel is that 1. Shiism, has not been the same throughtout the ages. 3. The original Shia, ( Phase 1, and Two) where not even a Madhab, they were the core Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaacah, the support of Ali was the right thing to do at that time. 2. Present day Shiism represents a stark departure from the original teachings of the Imaams which was greatly affected by the ( Ghuluw) extremism of the Shia during the absence of their missing Imaam ( Al Ghaybatul Sughraa) 65 years of reporting from a missing Imaam, and ascribing all the stories to him. 5. If you read the summary of my work you can see the proof from your Shia books. I pray for your salvation and all other Shia brothers and sisters, Amin. Nur

Discrete1 Releigious Holiday may not be the ONLY legitimate excuse. Please read From The Web LAST CHANCE FOR EXCUSE - JURY SELECTION Once the initial jury assembly is complete, the remaining group ("panel") is eligible for the jury selection process. You will be asked to line up in a specific order. You will be taken as a group to the courtroom and guided to a specific seat. A seating chart has been created so everyone in the courtroom will know who you are. The judge will then offer a greeting and general instructions on what is about to happen. The judge's instructions may take 30-45 minutes. Following the judge's initial welcome and instructions, questioning of jurors will begin. You may hear this process called "Voir Dire" (pronounced 'voy dare'.) Voir Dire means "to speak the truth." You will be sworn to tell the truth and answer questions in open court. The questions are designed to reveal any conflicts of interest you may have in judging a specific case. For instance, if the case is about bank fraud, the court wants to make sure you're not a banker who is too biased to judge the case fairly. Expect questions about your employment, friendships and family relationships. You may also be asked if you have friends/family members in law enforcement. You will be asked standard questions about your belief in the jury system and if you can judge the case fairly. Questions may be asked by attorneys or from a list of prepared questions presented to you by the judge. You will likely be asked at this time if you have any scheduling or personal conflicts that will prevent you from serving as a juror. Regardless of whether the question is asked, at this time you must make it clear that you have a conflict with jury service. Be prepared to state why you can serve (work, family, philosophical difference.) If you are passionate enough you will shouldn't be asked to serve (though you won't immediately know the court's decision.) The court only wants to select jurors how want to serve. If you make it clear that you do not want to serve, chances are you will not be asked. During questioning you will be asked if you believe in the jury system and if you can judge the case fairly. Answering with a simple "no" is a sure way to get dismissed . However, you should tell the truth... you are under oath at this time. Expect the judge to ask you why you feel as you do. Following questioning, the group of potential jurors will be excused for a break. During the break the judge will decide which jurors will be excused "for cause" (meaning they have a legitimate conflict in fairly hearing the case, Like Praying in the Courtroom in the middle of the trial ) Attorneys will also reject potential jurors using a limited number of "peremptory challenges." Peremptory challenges can be used against you for any reason. They are mostly used to eliminate jurors that either the defense of prosecution thinks will be too detrimental to their side. Once the final list of jurors is determined, you will be asked to return to the courtroom. The names of the chosen will be called by the judge. The people who were not selected as a juror or an alternate will be excused for the day (though they'll have to continue calling in each day for the remainder of the phone-in period.) ONE MORE "LAST CHANCE" TO BE EXCUSED If for some reason the improbable has happened and you've been seated against your will, there is still "one more last chance." Send a note to the judge requesting a meeting. After the first break in proceedings, the judge will see you the courtroom with both the defense and prosecution there to watch. You can then restate your objection to serving and ask to be excused. OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENTS TO "THROW" THE PROCESS Once your friends find out that you've been summonsed for jury duty, they will tell you their favorite "get out of jury duty excuses." These generally are humorous or advocate that you make some kind of outrageous statement to the court. Of course you can always pretend to be an e-diot , a bigot or a radical . However, this is unnecessary. As you can see from the techniques above, the court leaves plenty of opportunities for you to honestly get out of jury duty.(From The Web). The Islamic Excuse. The Islamic religious reason to exempt yourself from the Jury duty is: Legal Judgement on matters of Money, Life and Dignity is governed by the Sharia Law in Islam, as A Muslim, I can not judge others on any other law, doing it will constitute as major sin at the least, thus I should be excused due to my religious beliefs. Wallahu Aclam Nur

Murad bro. Shimees ka baxaa? loool Lama goodle, geelkiisii, iyo arigiisii daaq u helay, meel ma u socdo Where in Orange County is (YAAQ BARI WEYNE)? I ahve never heard of this village, please tell us. Kii ! yaa waaye? Lama goodle miyaa? Shimmees ka baxaa? markii la xambaaro oo visa uga soo dirto San Diego. Nur

Kheyr bro. You did not upset me for sure, I am entertained by your thoughts. There is a saying taht goes like this, "If you want to know if someone is thinking clearly, make them write a page". if the above response to the detailed questions I posed for you are representative of your thinking process, and logic, it leaves a lot to be desired bro. Because I expected more substance from you honestly, what i read justifies that I should ignore about your comments in the future. Nur

Kowneyn bro. You write: " I am a Somalilander from Burco what do i know about dhadhan muufo? " Lol, The gabay was selected from the South of Somalia, have you ever heard villages named: Massaggawaa Cadale Raage Ceelle Dirin Masajid Cali gaduud Muuffo is e very good smelling bread made from fresh ground corn prepared in an underground home made ceramic oven called Tinnaar, the Muuffo has a great smell, and taste, hence the " Dhahdhan Muffaa leh" As a Burco guy, the best equivalent I can think of in the Burco culinary culture is the " Bariis Dhari", great smelling rise steaming with aroma pf the oven and fresh goat meat, uuuuuuumh. I am getting hungry. By the way, Don't you think that you should be more familiar with the other Somalilands cultures, by looking south, instead of the western world in which some of us are forced to live as refugees from anarchy? I Think I am going to start a new thread to educate nomads about their different cultures and lands. Nur

Kowneyn Bro. Thanks for your response, a world of difference in style and content than last one, even we disagree on every point, the discussion remains enjoyable and purposeful. We need to separate our persons from the issues, that way, we keep our karaamah, yet debate very seriously on the issues. I will come back with my thoughts on your post soon. Nur

Sareedo sis There are many, but the translations vary, some have commentary like Yusuf Ali, some are excellent in the translation like Mohamed Marmaduke Pikthall, and yet new ones are coming out from the Haramayn Quran Service with oficially certified translations. I would advice that you get the Yusuf Ali and Pikthall both, they compliment each other. Devils Prosecutor You are 100% right sis, now that you are on the Quraans side, can we agree that you become reborn with the screen name I suggested " Devils Prosecutor" with the Quraan? Nur

Shoobaro Thanks for the corection, however, please be easy on the sister, she did not mean any harm, it was just a " Halqabsi" Baashi You ask: "How's the real state bizz bro Nur? gimme a ballbark figure in various cities. Are the tittle's authenntic as you might know I got lil reservation for taking pple words as a face value since the civil war." Answer. Well, for novices like you and me and strangers on their own countries, Real Estate Biz in Somalia can be quite an experience, in Hargeisa, and many other parts of the former country, there are many schemes that you should watch out for, because of previty i'll discuss one scheme today: 1. Ku Qabso, Ku Qadimeysidee. This scheme works well when the victim has limited time, has a lot of cash and his relatives are not influential. As you bargain for the house or plot of your dream, and put up the money. The owner goes away tipping his relatives about your potentially naive ways of doing business with locals, so someone shows up and says, this land was mine, hence the term " Ku Qabso, ku qadimeysidee" the guy raises hell and threatens the Lobster out of you, just to settle for a hundred dollar settlement when mediators try to " HELP" the parties. But he may not be the last guy. On the good side, e-Nuri enterptises has just found a solution for the fraud , document management and certificate of ownership archiving systems. Real Estate in Somaliland and the rest of malia, is depressed at present, prices are all time low, if you can offord to put away several grans to bet on prime commercial zones, you can rest assured that your investment can bring you secure returns in the double digits, and that is in an anarchy, the minute these rascals declare a pseudo government in Nairobi, you can cash out to live handsomely in your dream coconut house on the beach near Kismayu, spending your time enjoyably and making dhiker, in a " Baldatun tayyibatun wa Rabbun Ghafuur" In Mogadishu the prices vary widely, in the busy Bakkara area, a plot can go for $50,000, while in the industrial zone, the prices are around $ 7000, residential areas are in between depending on the neigborhood. As for Hargeisa, unlike industrialized Mogadishu, is economically a consumer city, the prices are lower, on the average, now the city has expanded far out all the way to the airport, and the twin mountains, i have even seen few ambitious housing projects under study, and if these projects are implemented, they will be a magnet for attracting more expatriates to come back and start a decent life in their natural habitat, thus stimulating the economy by generating demand for commodities, education, entertainment, telecom and etc. Salafi Bro. I have been to Borama, I call it the France of Somalia, snece the British built this twon, little has changed, it ebdured many Jenkis Khans and Hulako's, it is the only major city that escaped the aftermath of the collapse of the Former Republic. The Locals made an agreement with the victorious SNM offering no resistance to the re-birth of Somaliland, which earned them a reputation of the most civil people we have in Somalia. Today, Borama is a leader in the Higher education in quality, not in Numbers, as Mogadishu dwarfs all regions in that respect, Amud University is attracting many students from all around the country, in all scientific fields and the nascent medical program. Religious wise, Borama like most of the country is generally conservative, thus ideal for you. Nur

Nomads The Quraan is the everlasting Message that came to us from Allah SWT after all other Divine Revelations were altered to fit nthe whims of mankind. As a Mercy, Allah SWT sent down the Quran, the Final Testament, complete and eternal. I will start this thread with an old discussion from Somalinet with a brother who asked me about the meaning of an ayah, today, the meaning of that aayah has more significance than ever, so let us share our thoughts on this old discusion: Salaama Aleikum Bro Nur, couple days ago while we were praying Fajer prayer Imam recited this verse. " Waqaala Rasuulo Yaa Rabi ina Qownii Takhaduu Haadal Qur'aana Mahjuuraa" so what that abandon Prophet talking about? May Allaah make for you to explain us. Answer: Dear Brother Ahmed Jama I pray Allah reward brother JB look the verse up in Ibnu Katheer, I usually rely on Imam Abu Jaafar Al Dabari for Tafseer as he is the oldest, and respects the way people think differently by narrating all that is said then weighs them and selects the explanation that best supports the other ayaats, Tafseer ul Quraan bil Quraan. The hijraan or abandoning of Quraan takes many forms, I would like to begin with an athar that I lost the line of narration. The gist of this athar is: Anyone who does not make khatam al Quraan within thirty days has abandoned Quraan, and anyone who makes khatam Al Quraan in less than three days does not get Fiqh or understanding. Forms of Hijraan abandoning: 1. Not reading Quraan 2. Not accepting its teachings (like a sister who finds unreasonable to wear hijab, a brother who sets his alarm watch to sound past Fajr, A leader who finds applying sharia offensive to christians and so on) 3. Not taking the time for tadabbur by thinking about about its endless treasure of ideas ( Al Imraan, "Surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth there are signs for those with clear minds (ulul albaab)" 4. Not struggling to make it the basis of our life and communities. second post continuation of answer: Ahmed Jama The Hijraan of Quraan has too main meanings. In my last posting I only discussed one of the meanings, that narrated by of Ibnu Abbas which is popular in most tafaaseer connoting the meaning of abandonment . The other meaning in the Arabic language which Brother JB has briefly mentioned by narrating the verse " Do not listen to this Quraan rather make noise to make it hard for others to understand" which was the tactic of Quraish during the arrival of Pagan pilgrims to makkah while the propphet was making dawa. So Quraish resorted to this scheme by making loud noises in order to confuse the pagan pilgrims not to hear the message. This tactic is still going on, read your daily newspapers Radio and TV. The meaning of Hajara in suuratul muminoon, " Mustakbireena bihi Saamiran Tahjuroon" ( while you are too arrogant and proud to follow Quraan, you say bad thigs about quraan. Here TAHJUROON means the root of the word HAJR which means HADAYAAN or when a sleeping person talks unintelligible talk, or a crazy person speaks. Qureish, were too proud to obey the prophet SAWS, so in their night clubs or gatherings (saamiran) they attacked the Quraan with ****** accusatons similar to the unintelligible talk of a sleepy person . Now we conclude the meaning, ( My people have taken this Quraan as an object to attack with foolish remarks) is the second meaning. Both this meaning and the last one are vividly rich in describing what is going on against Quraan and the people who carry Quraan in their hearts today in our surroundings. Quraan is a book of Barakah, meaning abundant good, overfolowing knowledge and increasing horizons of wisdom, there are secrets to discover, and lofty goals to reach, because every Barakah in this world that one can attained in this life and the next can only be reached by following the guidance of the Quraan. Likewise, every misery, and worry are the result of keeping Quraan out of sight and mind. What the Quraan says about the Quraan 1. Quraan is a healing and Mercy " And we reveal (portions) of the Quraan which are a cure and mercy for the believers, (while) it does not add to but more of a loss for those who do injustice" Suurah Israa, 82 2. Quraan is Guidance and light "Allah guides through (Quraan) those who follow his pleasure, peaceful paths, helping them scape from darkness toward light" Suurah Maaedah, 16 3. Quraan is Good News " This Quraan does indeed guide towards the rightest (0f every issue), and breaks good news to the believers who are busy doing good deeds, that they have (indeed earned) a great reward" Israa, 9 4. Quraan is Wisdom " And hence we recite for you some of the verses and the wise reminder" Suurah Aal Imraan, 58 5. Quraan is a counsel " Counsel (them) with Quraan he who is fearful of my (punishment)promise" Suurah Qaaf, 45 "O people, an advice from your Lord has indeed been delivered to you (which is) healing for your consciuosness, a guidnace and mercy for the believers" Younis 57 6. Quraan is a spirit and Life "And so forth do we have revealed to you a spirit(revelation) of our concern" Suurat Al Shuuraa, 52 Quraan and the Sunnah on: The importance of studying Quraan " Say, (to the unbelievers) Allah and he who has knowledge of the Book should be sufficient as a witness(s) between us" Suurah Al Raad, 43 The Prophet SAWS said, " Best among you is he who studied Quraan and (then) teaches " Reported By Bukhaari The Importance of the Recitation of Quraan " Those who recite the Book of Allah, who have established regular prayers, and in private or in public have spent part of the sustenance we have provided for them, these shall (rightfully) hope for a business that will never go bancrupt" suurah Faatir 29 The Prophet SAWS said " Read the Quraan, because (Quraan) will come in the day of judgement as an advocate for his companions" Reported by Muslim The prophet SAWS also said " the(person who) has no Quran in his inner realm, is like a destroyed home" Reported by Tirmidhi The prophet SAWS said " Whoever reads a letter of the Book of allah, erns a Hasanah ( unit reward ), and a Hasanah will be multiplied tenfolds, I do not say ALM is a letter, rather Alif, is a letter, Laam is a letter, and Meem is a letter " Reported by Tirmidhi. Nur

Kheyr Bro. You write: "AT WHAT POINT DID YOU XAWA'S/EGO'S TAKE OVER YOUR ARGUMENTS" Answer: First, the word " XAWA spelled in Arabiac as: "(حواء), if read in Somali, it is (Eve) or Women, but I assume that you may have misprinted the term. You may have meant the Arabic word AHWAA (أهواء), meaning whims in English. Secondly: I would be very thnakful if you can show me where in my write up you see me follow my whims and departing from the path of Islam, because I made my vocation to work for Islam and the last thing that I like to waste my valuabe time is self glory which will not get me anywhere close to Allah SWT if that is the driver behind my efforts. Thirdly, the question is one of those tricky philosophical questions like " when did you really fall asleep?" when people follow their whims as you have described me and Mutakallim, they would not have any idea when they went off track, but an observer like you, would know the answer, so be kind again, and tell us the answer to your question becasue in all honesty I can't. Fourthly, If after reading the entire thread, that was the only comment you have, it leaves me with three possibilities 1. You do not understand the issues 2. You do understand the issues, but you careless 3. You did not read the issues deeper enough to make an intellectual contribution, so to be seen as sophistacated, you hastely post a response to put everyone down with a thoughtless comment like that. Which one is true Bro.? Please enlighten me, I always enjoy your comments. Nur

e-Nuri Biographies Presents: Greetings, from The Messenger of Allah SAWS Just before the death of the Messenger of Allah SAWS, in the his last Pilgrimage, Hujjatul Wadaac, the farewell Hajj, which was his last pilgrimage, Allah SWT revealed the following verse of the Quraan : " Today have I completed your Deen ( all you need to worship Allah SWT, and legal guidance to live by) and I have perfected my Nicmah ( here it means iimaan, faith) , and my final wish was for your total Surrender ( Islam) as your Deen ( way of Life and worship). When that verse was revealed, Abu Bakar Al Sadeeq, may Allah SWT be pleased with him, wept. The Messenger of Allah SWT, asked Abu Bakar " what made you weep about this verse ?" Â " It is the eulogy of the Messenger of Allah" Abu Bakar answered. After the Prophets return from Hajj that year, just nine days before his death, again Allah SWT revealed yet another stunningly complementary and predictive verse : " And beware, a day that you will all be summoned back to Allah and every soul shall be fully compensated for its deeds, (duly processed), and they shall not be dealt with injustice" %0