Warsame As usual, you pick verses of Queraan out of context, the very Surrah Ancaam that you have used to refute my argument, puts your intention in perspective for all to see. Say (O Muhammad )] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. Let us see the real context of the verse 115 of Ancaam, who it talks about, and what it meant; 115 And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All­Hearer, the All­Knower . Now let me show the complete Contextual meaning of the verse as you have again maliciously pulled it out of its context to use it for a wrong argument: 114 Say (O Muhammad )] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt . 115 And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All­Hearer, the All­Knower 116 And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie . 117 Verily, your Lord! It is He Who knows best who strays from His Way, and He knows best the rightly guided ones . From the above we deduce 1. The Quraan is from Allah SWT, Christians and Jews at the time of the Messenger could not but become believers in Muhammad SAWS and his Messengership, and the Quraan, the words of Allah which contain judicial rulings ( Sharica), stories of past peoples, and the the day of judgeemnt, good conduct and struggle in the cause of Allah SWT. 2. The word of Allah are his judgements on issues He revealed in Quraan, Not, verses, because Allah SWT tells us, yamxullaahu maa yashaa wa yuthbit, wa cindahu ummul kitaab 39 Allah blots out what He wills and confirms (what He wills). And with Him is the Mother of the Book (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz) ( Al Racd 39), You write: The adherents of the true Christian Faith are Trinitarians and we believe that God is NOT the Messiah and that the Messiah is not the Holy Spirit, so on and so forth . Please let us focus here and forget about all other issues for now. You said Jesus was FULLY GOD JESUS WAS FULLY HUMAN JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH Above you say: we believe that God is NOT the Messiah Also explain which part of JESUS DIED iF he was fully God and Himan at the same time. Wishing you luck Nur

Warsame I have noticed that your knowledge of the Tafseer of Quraan is very shallow, in order to use Quraan as an evidence for an argument few conditions apply: 1. Context of the verse ( situation a verse addresses), translating verbatum without a knowldege of the Seerah is a disaster. 2. Time when it was revealed, ( each time period the new Muslim community was growing, hence transitional rulings that were nit final were revealed, alcohol for axample was gradually made illegal by four separate verses, the last of which asked the people " Fa hal antum muntahoon" are you then quitting drinking, gambling, and worshipping idols? 3. The translation of the word must be correct not only by transliteration, but also by translating the meaning in the native language. When you write the verse ““ Those who commit adultery among your women, you must have four witnesses against them, from among you. If they do bear witness, then you shall keep such women in their homes until they die†Sura 4:15a Sabeelaa does not mean DIE, it is a VENUE , a solution that will be revealed to the Messenger through either Quraan or his Hadeeth. According to the hadeeth, the venue was revealed and the new punishment was spelled clearly in Suurah al Nur, and subsequent hadeeths. So, as a respect for the audience, as a non qualified Mufassir of Quaraan, and a non believer, please stop making un authorized Tafseer that is out of synch with the very science of cilmul tafseer as followed by Muslims, demonstrating either an outright blasphemy, or severe case of ignorance. This forum is for sharing knowledge, not ignorance, so If you continue spreading your ignorance in this Forum to confuse Muslims, so they can accept that Jesus ( peace be upon him) was Allah SWT in person ( Subxaanahu wa tacaalaa cammaa yaquuluuna culuwan kabeeraa), and refuse to learn and admit your ignorance, I will not only stop debating with you, I will edit what you write to make it in line with Muslims accept, as I did above as a first warning. This medium is not a pulpit for misinformation and misleading Muslims, my advice is : ( Yaa ghareeb, kun adeeb)if you are stranger, be respectful of our faith, in our own forum, one way to do that is to try and learn what you do not know, and not to present yourself as knowledgeable in Islam when in reality your base is very shallow based on your formal study of Islamic studies and the Arabic language and its grammar, the seerah, Fiqh. If you desire an honest debate, and are willing not to twist verses out of their context, nor post maliciously half truths like the case of the Trinity in which you posted the first part of the Nicene Creed that is in line with Muslim faith and ommitted the most damaging and the longest part, and for change if you come across as an honest debator who admits when he has no explanation for his beliefs, or calls a spade a spade, in all honesty I feel that you will be able to debate with respect from the community for your views on this forum. Nur

Xaniifa sis, runtii Magacaagii hore waa fiicnaa, haseyeeshee, Tawxiika Xaniifa ayaa ugu dhow, may be haddan isku darbo labada magaca, wexey noqonayaan, gabdh lagu ilhaamiyey iney ka soo iilato waxaan allah aheyn ( Xaniifa) Just a thought Nur

Maymuuna sis walaalo waayahn warkaag ma maqlin, waxaan Allah kaaga rajeynayaa, adiga iyo reerkaagaba kheyr badan, ducadaadana ha iga illawin inaad igu darto. Nur

Walaal Dirir Shareecada Islaamka wexey u soo degtay lix dan in la ilaaliyo: 1. Diinta Rabbi oo Xaqqa ah oo lagu ilaaliyo Bayaan, dood, iyo cilmi la fidiyo 2. Caqliga ( oo laga ilaaliyo khamriga, drugs, yo qaatka iwm) 3. Nafta ( oo laga ilaaliyo fujuurka, lagu ilaaliyo taqwada) 4. Hantida ( in aan maalka dhexdeenna lagu cunin baadil) 6. Nasabka ( oo lagu ilaaliyo guur xalaal ah) Walaal, waxaan noolnahay waa cussub, oo wata khatartiisa iyo fursadahiisa labadaba. Danaha aan soo sheegnay oo islaamku leeyahay waxaa lagu gaadhaa is xikmad leh, taasna wexey u baahan tahay cilmiga usuusha shareecada in si fiican loo yaqaan, tan labaadna, in si fiican loola socdo xaaladda ay muslimiintu marayaan, iyo waxa lala damacsanyahay. Haddii labo dan oo islmaaku leeyahay isku dhacaan, waxaa la doorbidaa in la qaato hadba tan nafciga badan, ama tan dhibka ay diinta soo gaadhsiin karto ay yartahay. Dabiqaadda Shareecada waa waajib, laakin shareecada kama dhalato bannaan, wexey u baahan tahay xeyn dad ah oo degaan leh, oona awood leh ey hirgeliyaan diintooda. Haddii intaa la waayo, xikmad ma aha in loo doodo in dhacdo gaar ah sida taad ka hadashay in lagu dhaqaaqo, maxaa yeelay danta islaamka maanta ma aha in lagu dhaqaaqo tallaabo ka hor imaneysa danta islaamka, oo ah in dad badan diinta qalad loo fahamsiiyo, mana wanaagsana inaad ku muujiso qoraalkaaga ood fitno o noqoto kuwa lumay markaad ceebaha cadowga islaamka ay ku sheegeen oo ah diin dadka leysa oon naxariis u leheyn iney aad u dooddo. Waxaanad ogsoon tahay sababtii nabi Maxamed SCWS uu u dili waayey Munaafiqiinta iney aheyd in la yidhaahdo, muxamad asxaabtiisii ayuu laayaa, taasoo noqonoyesa ceeb lagu ceebeeyo Diinteenna oo natiijedadeeda ay noqoto in dadkii loo bandhigi lahaa diinta ay dib u gurtaan , taasna wexey ka soo horjeedda Danaha Islaamka aan kor ku soo sheegay qaybta Xifdiga diinta, ayadoo islma markaasna xukunka Murtadka ay soo hoosgeleyso Xifdiga diinta, sidaa darteed markey labada maslaxo iskudhacaan waa in la qaataa tan horumarineysa diinta, dhibkana ka yareyneysa Muslimiinta, annago fiiro gaar ah u leh hadba xaaladda taagan iyo meesha aan joogno.. Walaal, meeshaad ku nooshahay ma aqaan, laakin Somali, gudaha ama dibedda wexey Marti u tahay gaalo, dhab ahaantiina, dhibka aan annaga Somali isku sameynay, gaalo naguma sameyn ( markey u yartahay si muuqata ), haseyeeshee, wexey soo dhaweeyeen Somalida rayadkeeda oo Refugees ah, aadna wey u wanaajiyeesn, taasoo ay ku taallo sharciyada ay dajisteen oy kun socdaan. Waxaa ii muuqata, in xamaas darteed aan looga boodin talo laga shallayo berri, islmarkaasna, inaan laga fadhiisan fidinta Diinteenna oo lagu fidiyo si xikmad iyo dareen wanaagsan uu ku jiro, maxaa yeelay walaal, sababta keentay in Somali ay gaalowdo waxaa sabab u ah annaga, isku laayay qabyaalad iyo diin xumo, marka, haddii dad ciqaab muteysteen, waa annaga, inteenna faraha ku dhiigga leh, iyo inteenna ku kaalmeysay waxqabad, maal, ama aamusnaan. Hadda iyo dan. Allaha kaa abaal mariyo xamaaskaaga, hana kuugu deeq intaas in le'eg oo talo fiican ah, si aad u noqoto mid Diinta ugu adeega hadba sidey ku jirto danteeda, mar walba uu waqtigu isbeddalo, tabtana wey isbeddeshaa, xukunka sharciga ah sanam ma aha, ee waa mid loo soo dajiyey inuu danaha kor ku xusan uu xafido, miyaadan maqal ninkii ay Saxaabada u fatweeyeen inuu meydho asagoo buka oo boog leh, dabadeedna uu dhintay, Rasuulkuna SCWS uu yidhi, Qataluuh, qatalahumullah. Wey dileen, Allaha dilee! Doodda socota waa mid cilmi badan uu ku jiro, haddaad sabir laato oo la socoto waxaa laga yaabaa inaad ka faaideysato sidii berrii aad ula doodi leheyd kuwo la mid ah Warsame, maxaa yeelay, waxaa dhaba ah in Somali ay is beddeshay, maalmaha soo socdana inaad maqli wax kaa yaabiya, hadaba, fiiro cusub u yeelo waxa dhacaya, mar walbana ogow in Allah uusan kugu kallifin taagtaada wax ka weyn. Nur

Femmme Fatale Jazaakellaahu Khairan sis, May Allah bless you, I have just posted an inspiration piece about the reason we do not take our job as Servants of Allah SWT seriously, if we dont take our job seriously we can get FIRED, literally, so we need to come to our senses, and ponder, what is our real Job on earth? Nur

Deeq, Viking and Aanil Brothers Thanks for your good thoughts, I pray Allah SWT rewards you for your good Niyah, as our Messenger SAWS said, The Niyah(with ikhlaas) is better than deeds (without ikhlaas). More insights to share with fellow Nomads: The other day, I had a ton of things on my To-Do-list, so, to get them all done next day, the night before I set my Calandar and alarms right, but after fajr, I fall asleep, the alarm failed and I am behind on all deliverables that day. So, who am I gonna call? Not the Jinn Busters for sure! I sat down and had a minute of meditation, here was what was going on in my head, inspired by Allah SWT. Before I rush to salvage the day of what I can deliver, I reasoned " What is my real Job on this planet ?" A voice within me whispers" " Worship of Allah ", because Allah SWT said, " I have not created mankind and Jin except for my worship " Me: Wait a minute! Me again: You mean, being a Muslim is a Job contract with Salary? My Conscious: That is right, saaxib, your Job is to read your daily Adhkaar, read your Quraan, help the poor and write on Somali-on-line forum . Me. You mean thats my real business? My conscious: Didn't you hear Allah's words " Those who recite the Book of Allah, and who established regular prayers and who who pay part of what we have provided them with ( Money and Time to the economically needy and knowledge seekers) anonymously and in public, those (truly) hope for a business that will not go bancrupt, Allah will pay their reward in ful, and then, throw in (some surprise, like we say in Somali, ( Suubis) a bonus as a token of His generosity " Me: Ok, Ok, I dont care what happens today, I am going to sit down, enjoy reading my Juzz of Quraan, ( Juzz 3), will say all of my morning Adhkaar ( Prayers), then, I will seek out my Rizq, since my real Job is Allah's service, I demand payment of Rizq from Allah alone, but of course after I perform all of my daily tasks. My conscious: Now you are on the right track pal, you see Nur, Allah SWT says " Remind,and order your famuily to perform prayers, and force yourself to be patient doing it, We are not asking you to source your own susutenance, We sustain you, and the ( Caaqibah, good ending) last laugh is for Taqwa " Me: Great!, so that means, that I am an employee of Allah SWT, I worship Allah to the maximum possible, then, I go and earn a living in an honoroble way, knowing that, if my purpose is the worship of Allah, then doing business means, a means for survival for that purpose, a higher purpose indeed, which makes it necessary being honest, and truthful with my clients and partners so that my earnings can be used for that higher purpose! wow, My Conscious: Its Satan that makes you believe that cutting corners will earn you more wealth, that is Burger King, your earnings are fixed, your check is issued, you either receive it after you have done your job as an (employee) or, you can take it without really earning it, either way, the amount is fixed, and the accounting department will either confirm that you have earned or will tag your ears for paying back, there is no such thing as free Big Mac, if you play, you pay. Me: I got it right, Alhamdulillah, InshAllah, I will remind myself that I am an employee, with a FULL TIME Job, a clear job description, starting early at Dusk, and not ending until I retire to bed and say my evening adhkaar, my job is not fourty hours a week, I have to be honest, kind , tolerant and observeing my duties 24 hours a day, even in my illness or in my sleep, I am rewarded for my intentions, my check keeps coming, even way after I die, as long as Nomads pray for me after reading my posts. Nur 2005 eNuri Inspirationals Power is not measured on conquering others, conquering one's evil intentions is Genuine Power -- Prophet Muhammad SAWS (eNuri Transliterations)

Deeq bro. A Wonderful story, maashAallah, its a great news, another soul finding purpose and direction in the simplicity of Islam. We will all pray for the brother that Allah keeps his feet firm on this right path, the Siraatul Mustaqeem. I have one more wish, can everyone on this forum also pray for Brother Warsame our fellow Somali Christian, he is need of your prayers to find the simplicity of Islam, its direct connection to Allah without a proxy. Meaning of proxy is “ one who is authorized to act for another .†Nur

Viking bro. Jazaakallahu khairan for bringing this advertisment to my attention, I remember seeing a disturbing pop-up wiggling on the right side of the screen which I found to be annoying, though I can not remember its contents. If its about gambling, rest assured that you have earned yourself a great hasaanaat from Allah, congratulation, YOU ARE A WINNER INDEED! and rest assured that it will be off the screen. Nur

Sheherzaade sis Thanks for sharing your thoughts sis, I too had many similar experiences but I learned the following wisdoms inorder to reconcile conflicting issues: 1. We havea sphere of influnece that we are obliged to work and improve. 2. There is a sphere outside of our influnece. Only Allah can decide in that sphere. Our success in this temporal life and hence the next life lies in our recognition and focus on the sphere that we can influence to make a difference, we are only graded on that sphere, because Allah SWT is just, he does not place a burden on our shoulders that we can not bare. So, leaving your worries to Allah SWT is a tricky issue. If you mean it that we do our responsibility in the sphere of our responsibility, then leave the unknown factors to Allah SWT, that you are correct. If on the otherhand, like many lazy Muslims, we fail to do our fair share in making a difference in the sphere of our influence, then we get an adminition from Allah SWT saying: " Allah does not change (good situation and welbeing) of a peole to ( an undesirable condition) unless they change ( the good things they were doing to deserve the good conditions they were living in)" Muslim Youth and Pacifist, thanks for your duaa and comments. Nur

Walaalo Geeljire iyo Geeljirto, Waxaa laga soo wariyey Suubanihi SCWS, inuu yidhi : " Dadyohow, Allah dambi dhaaf weydiista, una towbo keena, maxaa yeelay aniga waxaan istigfaarsadaa maalinkii walba boqol jeer " Sidaan horey uga soo hadlay, mar walboo qof dambi ka dhaco wuxuu qofkaas isu bandhigay ciqaab Allah oo ifka ku intuu joogo ku dhacda, waxaana ciqaabta Allah looga baxsadaa in la dhowrsanaado,( Taqwo) oon marka horeba dambi lagu dhicin, Laakin waxaan wada ogsoonnahay in bani Adamku uusan marna hureyn inuu dambi ka dhaco, sidaa darteed si looga baxsado ciqaabta Allah markii aan dambi galno waxaa loo baahan yahay in Allah laga baryo dambi dhaaf, ama Istighfaar. Marwalboo dambi naga dhaco, malaaigtu wey qortaa, waxaana loo bandhigaa Allah acmaasheenna xun iyo kuweena fiican maalin walba. Allah naxariistiisa wuxuu noogu soo dedejiyaa ciqaabta dambigeenna adduunka intaan ku noolnahay si aan u galno jannada annagoo nala meydhay, oo daahir noqonnay, maxaa yeelay waxaa laga soo wariyey suubbanihii inuu yidhi Jannadu waa wanaagsan tahay, mana galo qofaan wanaagsaneyn, sidaa darteed, waa in la is meydhaa, taasoo nalagu meydho ciqaabta iyo dhibaatada nagu dhacda intaan adduunka ku noolnahay. Allah SWT wuxuu leeyahay," Wax walboo musiiba ah oo idin soo gaadha, waa waxey galabsadeen gacmihhiina, (sidaas ooy tahayna Allah), wax badan buu cafiyaa " Meeshaas waxaa ka cad in dambi walbaa uu keensado ciqaab adduun. Hadaba, sidee baan uga baxsannaa ciqaabta aan ku muteysanney dambigeenna? Waxaa looga baxsadaa ciqaabtaas in la badiyo istighfaarka, maxaa yeelay istigfaarku wuxuu meydhaa dambiga, sidaa darteed qofkii badsada istigfaarka waa laga dhaafaa ciqaabta uu ku muteystay dambigiisa, Allah wuxuu leeyahay: " Allahna ma aheyn mid (dadka ) cadaaba, ayagoo istgfaarsanaya " . Aayaddaas waxey timaameysaa in qof afka istigfaar ku haya aayan ku dhaceyn musiibo adduun oo ah cadaab dambi, marka istigfaarku waa sida Insurance policy. Waxaana laga wariyey Rasuulka SAWs inuu yidhi, " Qofkii hadwalba istigfaarsada, Allah ayaa wixii hammi ku haya faraj uga fura, markuu cidhiidhi galana, Allah ayaa u fura meel uu ka baxo, Allahna wuxuu qofkaas ka arzaaqa meel uusan ka filaneyn " Waxaa kaloo jirta in dambigeenna uu naga horjoogo inaan helno kheyraadka iyo nicmooyinka aan jecelnahay, sida ubadka, maalka , daaqa xoolaha, iyo wax walboo naga farxiya, sidaa darteed, kadeedku waa ciqaab ah in lagaa horjoogsado in laguu soo daayo nicmooyinka aad jeceshahay ood raadineyso. Allah wuxuu leeyahay: " Rabbigiinna dambi dhaaf weydiista, wuxuu ahaa mid dambi cafis badanee, wuxuu idiinka soo daadin cirka roob badan, wuxuuna idin siin maal iyo ubad, wuxuuna idiin yeeli beero wuxuuna idiin yeeli wabiyaal " Meeshaas waxaa ka muuqata in dambigeenna uu naga horaatgan yahay nicmooyinka cirka iyo dhulka, taasna lagu gaadhi karo in la badiyo istigfaarka. Marka halkaas waxaannu ku soo koobnay in dhibaatada looga hortago, laguna celiyo istigfaar. Sidaaso kalena nicmadaha lagu soo daayo laguna muteysto istigfaar ( In Allah la weydiisto inuu na cafiyo). Sidaa darteed istgfaarku wuxuu ku dhaxalsiiyaa farxad iyo laab furan, Allah wuxuu leeyahay: " Rabbigiinna weydiista danbi dhaaf, una towbo keena, wuxuu idiin raaxeyn, raaxo wanaagsan" ( Huud 3 ) Istigfaarku wuxuu kordhiya xoogga, iyo caafimaadka, wuxuuna kaa horistaaga cudurrada: Allaha SWT wuxuu leeyahay: " Rabbigiinna weydiista dambi dhaaf, una towbo keena, cirka ayuu roob badan idiinka soo daadin, wuxuuna idiinku kordhin xooggiinna xoog kale" ( Huud, 52 ) Alloow, haddey dunuubteyda badatay, waxaan ogaaday in cafiskaagu uu ka weyn yahay dambigeyga, Allow, hadduu qofka wanaagsan oo qudha uu kheyr kaa fisho, Qofka dambiilaha ah, yuu baryaaa oo cafiya oon adiga aheyn? Allow, ma lihi tab aan kugu soo gaadho, oon aheyn, inaan qirto inaan raalli ka ahay xukunkaaga,iyo inuu xukunkaaguna uu yahay mid igu fulaya, cadaaladdaadana iney tahay mid ku dhammaata garbixintaada toosan, iyo inaan ahay addoon raadinaya cafiskaaga hadwalba, anigoo ah naf Muslim. Nur 2003- i-Nuri Softwaano Series Somali Editions @ Somaliaonline -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kuwa iga da' yar waa iga dambi yaryihiin , Kuwa iga da weyn waa iga ajar badan yihiin [ August 08, 2007, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Nur ]

e-Nuri Short Message Reminders (SMR) Dear Nomad Every trade has its jargon, language and tools. Engineers master the physical sciences and learn its applications in real life to solve problems or build devices, they also learn the symbolic language of problem solving known as Mathematics, which is a representation of facts in a quantitave format in order to manipulate terms, envision abstract concepts, design systems, implement and test physical stakeholders requirements. Thus, graphical illustrations, symbolic equations, and word problems are all mirroring real world for one reason, to understand and solve a problem or meet a need. This means that no one can avoid mastery of this art if one's intention is to become a problem solver or a professional solutions designer or an implementer of such a solution. Likewise, If we want to understand and practice Islam as a faith, the most important document to understand is the Holy Quraan, followed by the Hadeeth sciences. But, without a thorough knowldge of the Arabic language, one can never quench her/his thirst for the study of the Quran and its subtleties ( Mutashaabah ). By opting to delay learning Arabic while mastering English (101) or Spanish (201) with an A+, your priorities are : Life on earth first, next life? ( lets worry when we get there ). Well, my dear Paesano, ignorance is a choice we make in life, but its far more expensive than aquiring knowledge. So unless you are very rich ( I mean if you can afford to buy your way through Allah's court in day of judgement ) my advice is think and worry of becoming an informed Muslim, an educated thought consumer, and an action oriented and a fully practicing Muslim, all of which require a basic knowledge of Arabic language. Moses' ( May peace be upon him ) miracle overpowered Pharoah's magicians, and transformed them from wealth driven men to principle driven men, so firm in their belief that they cared less of Pharoah's threats to execute and crucify them. Jesus' ( May peace be upon him ) miracle overpowered his Jewish people to show that he was indeed the Christ al Masiix, they were waiting for. His miracles of quickening the dead, and curing the leper was the medical mind boggling miracle to prove his genuine mandate from Allah SWT. Like Moses, Muhammad SAWS, did not split the red sea, nor did he quicken the dead like Jesus, but his everlasting miracle was the Holy Quraan, the most everlasting comprehensive document inherited by mankind, a document that sent the most respected linguists at that distance time back to their Linguistic drawing boards, so captivating is the Quraan that when you read, or even listen to it, you will agree, they are not the words of a mortal. Qureish called the Quraan a magic, Sixr. Al Waleed Ibnul Mugheera famous opposition to Islam, described the Quraan with an anology of a tree with fruits on top and fresh cool water below, a document so powerful, that will always conquer and that will never be conquered. Such is the Quraan, Qureish were even challenged to produce a similar ten chapters like the Quraan, but they failed, how can they? havent they written the famous mastrepieces of Al Mucallaqaat al Sabca? ( the seven hanging poetry masterpice scrolls on the Holy Kaaba ). So, My dear Nomad Geeljire, and Geel jirto, what is holding you back? you have learned English to live and work in the west sacrificing your Somali language along the way since you have no plans going back to live back in Dhuusomarreeb or Iskushuban ( no problems with indigestion in these towns I guess ) or Jarriiban ( where you feel trapped till someone sends you a visa ) or Matabaan ( the village that you will not miss once you leave ) But my dear Nomad, there is another place where you can not avoid going, its not a town nor a village, its a new world, a world with another king, and another world order better than Bush's world disorder, and deffinetly not ruled by familiar earthily Kings or Presidents, we are talking here of a King who is Just and Fair ( Yes there is One and only ), who has no rivals whatsoever, who is not pressured by a passing need that drives him to fumble and make wrong decisions, who does not bargain nor accept compromises, who always has it His way no matter what. A King, who defied Pharaoh, when he vowed to kill all defenseless oppressed Isrealites boys, by making Pharaoh raise the very boy who would cause the fall of his Dynasty and Empire, a King who does not interfere in tribulations to test the believers and record the evildoers injustice. A king, who is great enough to have created everything, yet gentle enough to hear your supplication in person, many people love Him immensely to devote their lives for His cause in this life, some are confused about His nature, others see His greatness thorugh His creatures. To appreciate Allah SWT, you need to read His message. To read His message you need to understand its meaning. And without a mastery of the Arabic language, you will never get a true feel of Allah's message , having an english translation to understand Quraan, is like having a fellow Nomad scratch your back, they'll never get it right, like they say in Arabic " Maa yaxuk dhahrak, illaa dhufrak ", nothing can scratch your back like your own finger nails. So what are you waiting for? 2005 eNuri Inspirationals Quraan & Sunnah Service @ Somaliaonline

Tamina sis Thanks for the compliment, y'd need your Somali vocab inorder to stay a step ahead of our Anarchist government, so brush up on your Somali before you set up your grocery store in downtown Kurtunwaarrey. Wiilo sis A great article sis, jazaake-Allaahu khairan, where are you? Mango and Papaya with fried Tuna in Marka or Bariis Dheri with tender goat meat in Burco? Nur

Nomads We need volunteers for the different roles of this rendition, when i posted it back in 2003, and even then from my old archives, no one bothered to add to this thread, let us here your voice in deffence of this batrayed deffendant in a creative way. Nur

Reer Guraaga Waxaan la yaabanhay waxaan qoraalkaygaan aanan loo akhrinin, amaaba aan faallo laga dhiibanin. Nur

Viking Bro and all other Nomads I was away from the waves, still too busy, however, the bulk of the answer I prepared since last time remains to be posted inshAllah soon, excuse me for the delay. Nur

Raula sis It was my intention to explain the Tawheed concept in depth in laymens language, but I got distracted, InshAllah, I will complete this article soon. Nur

Brother Kheyr. As Brother Xiinfanin said earlier, the Islamic Fiqh ( Jurisprudence) grew out of an Islamic state that accepted its rulings, you can not enforce Fiqh rulings in makeshift courts, and even when an Islamic state finds that some of its members are apostates, the wise thing to do is to understand their motives and circumstances that led them to become an apostate in the first place, in the best of ways as Allah SWT says : Wa quuluu lil naasi xusnaa" Say good (words) to people. The good words that we say do not mean a compromise on our beliefs, but simply a learning process in which our first priority is to save a fellow Somali from the punishment of Allah SWT which is by far worse than any punishment a human can mete out. What I appreciate is Warsame's candidness in sharing his life history of his conversion to Christianity, (NOT THE FACT THAT HE CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY), as deplorable that fact is seen by Allah SWT, it is still the way we see it, not the way Warsame sees it, it is therefore in our best interest to engage Brother Warsame in a respectful way so he can too see it our way, for the purpose of finding a common word. To us that word is Laa ilaaha ilallaah, the epitome of Tawheed , the absolute oneness of the Almighty for which all Messengers were sent, in contrast, to a Christian, that word is Jesus, as they see him the embodiment and encarnation of God as a human (subxaanahu wa tacaalaa cammaa yaquuluuna culuwan kabeeraa). Discussing the Fiqh Issue of the ruling of Muslims apostates, is one thing, applying the specific rulings of that Fiqh is another thing, and I hope that you are not suggesting that we apply it on Brother Warsame on this forum by talking nasty to him, that would be against rules of engagement, and simplistic, since that would deny him the opportunity of understanding and appreciating our faith as dearly as we do. There is no questoon that all scholars agree that an Apostate should be engaged in a positive manner and taught what he may have overlooked, he should also be respected, and given ample time to reconsider his conversion. Unfortunatley, you have failed to highlight the most important quotes that I wrote, such as my question about his knowledge of Islam when he converted. Why did I ask that question? because, his knowledge or lack of the knowledge of crucial Tawheed principles matters tremmendously in later rulings as apostacy means changing a faith, while a person who was a Muslim by Firta (Default) alone, ignorant of details of the aqeedah (beliefs)and who later adopted a differnt faith is exempted from these rulings which are conditional to prior ample knowledge, as we will visit once I post my rebuttal. Thus, I have launched a new page that will allow him and any other Somali Christian to discuss with Somali Muslims on this forum about their faith and ours. To be calm and patience and tolerant when discussing with others who come from a different persuation is a sign of a desire to help others find the light we found, not a sign of weakness. "Strength", Prophet Mohammad said, "is not the ability to conquer others, but the ability to control ones ( bad actions, words, intentions) while under the influence of anger. Nur

Warsame Welcome to Somaliaonline islam pages, we appreciate your contribution and reading about your life experience and conversion to Christianity. Could you please elaborate more about your knowledge about Islam before your conversion, what was your age when you converted to christianity? and how much did you understand the Quran and the Sunnah? Comsider this as your exit interview (similar to those given employees who quit their jobs) Xiinfaniin Walaal, Warsame, no matter how much one disagrees with him, he is welcome to share with the audience his experience, there is no other way we can learn from each other unless we shares our experiences, and we hope to have fruitful dialogue with our fellow Somali Christian. Nur

Viking bro. It is not personal, please dont take it that way, take it as advice from a fellow brother. I do not expect that you agree with me 100% on any issue, no two people on earth do, if that happens, one of them is unneccessary, but, all I asked was that you subject Br. syed statements the same scrutiny as your very thoughtful questioning. Brother Syed, dared to change an age old ruling on the punishment of Murtadd, so unanimously agreed even, shia and all four Madhabs of ahlul SAunnah wal jamaacah have traditionally accepted except for few scholars each with differening way of looking at it, and whose statements were amplified more than their true scholarly weight by bro. Syed, . For you to welcome is article without any questioning of his premises and conclusions, exposes you to be seen as though you agree with him 100%, and I know you may not, for that reason I asked you, to distribute your concerns equally as sign of impartiality. Again I apologise for any statement of mine that may be interpreted to be out of step, Kamaal ( Perfection) is for Allah alone, the rest of us goof frequently, and I have my share of goofs which remind me to be humble, and further, I am no hollier than any Nomad, if not worse. Nur

Maha sis ( if ur still around after a year) This Somali language piece is intended for Nomads who can read Somali well. Once I set in mind the language, it is difficlut to rephrase it in other, so this artucle goes down as a Somali forever. You can print it and share with your folks who can tackle the somali language, to justify all those hours you spend on the net. Nur

Warrior of Light, Bashi I find that most nomads had no formal education in the science of the Hadeeth, although everwhere we read that they say, Quraan and Sunnah only, which is great, but the problem, Nomads are not spending enough time to learn the Hadeeth Science, I found how terrible this is through some of the writings of brothers who have weak foundations in Hadeeth, yet refute arguments using wrong principles in this science. I shall clarify this isnhsAllah when time permits. Nur

Muad, Discrete, Rahima, Genious, And The Supersonic Xiinfaniin Just to illustrate the importance of the Remembrance of Allah ( Adhkaar), acouple of days ogo, chasing my daily bread, I was between a truck and the curb of a highway, I esaped the accident in a miracolous way, when I looked back, It was astonsihing how I escaped, given the truck driver didn't even notice I was there when he decided to make that almost fateful turn. That was at noontime, that morning, I remembered my Dhiker before I left home, I said " Bismillah, Tawakkaltu calaAllah, wa laa xawla walaa quwata illaa billaah" Angels followed me as escort from that point on, ensuring my protection, as they were dispatched by Allah,our protector and benefactor " Hudeetum wa kufeetum". Nur

Walaal, Xalku Waa Islaam, Mushkilada Waa Annaka. Thanks for the article, the article shows how right e-Nuri and company are in predicting the future, so interesting is that USA will spend billions in Islamic education. Three years ago I wrote this article, please enjoy reading: From My Old Posts Archive Nurtel Presents Back To The Future This is the year 2103, some of the news headlines: New York Times President Abdullah Tannenbaum has formally asked congressional committee on Islamic affairs to expedite the appropriation of three hundred Billion Dollars for the next fiscal year for Islamic education in public schools. The president was convinced that the positive results of the 12 year pilot project executed by Council of Islamic Alternative ( CIA) to test how Islamic education can assure reaching the US national goals of highly focused and driven graduates with high moral character and work ethics. The intitaive warrants that the nation invests in an Islamic education. The president was so encouraged that he told to Congress that the law enforcement is behind his initiative after they have received positive results in their own study which supports the presidents initiative. Congress is expected to approve the bill early January 2104. On another front, the European Union president Mr. Ahmed Gí±»í´¥r Kuhlmann and The ASEAN Union of States president Mr. Mohammed Suzuki have jointly proposed uniting the Pacific and the Atlantic under a single government that can serve humanity in a better way. President Abdullah Tannenbaum of The USA is very sympathetic to the idea and have even suggested that the three superpowers collectively cooperate in disseminating Islamic knowledge in Africa, Asia and the Arab World, nations that are suffering severe economic and social upheavals due to the vacuum created by deforstation and the oil bust respectively. Also, Mr. Suzuki has proposed the creation of the Makkah fund to flatten the hills around Makkah in order to increase the capacity of worshippers from the current 4 Million per year to 30 Million per year due to his large constituency in China and India. The Disney parks CEO Mr. Ali Disney has proposed a visionary architecture that will allow up to 30 million pilgrims to make the Hajj by the year 2106 when the project is completed. Of course the above is fiction, but below are the drivers that could make such a scenario possible. 1. The Death of Distance through this medium (internet), and Hybrid Air-Space planes that will fly two hours between New York and Garasbaalley or Jarriiban, which are on the drawing boards. 2. The failure of Communism to add a value to mankind's material needs (let alone spiritual) and the impending failure of "Democracy" to walk its talk, in its claim of truly representing the wishes of the people ( or should we change it the wishes of the influential). 3.The spiritual void created by secularism ( OK, you allow two men marry each other, what is next? Secularism must be runnig out of thrills!) 4. Islam's Supremacy and comprehensiveness in every sphere of life compared to all other religions and political theories combined. The first item will lead to the breaking of mental barriers that have kept Islam depicted in a negative way. ( QOD) Quraan on Demand, Quraan will be viewed for the first time ever without biased middlemen's interpretation to reach directly thought consumers wherever they are. The second item, Communism failed to provide bread to the workers, and Democracy began showing cracks, first in Algeria when the people clearly were leaning to elect an Islamist government and the "free" world interfered through their support of a military dictatorship instead of a democratically elected civilian government. What happened in Algeria is similar to a sales man who made a presentation to sell a product, once he was done, the customer decided to use the product for his own application, and the salesman who does not like the customers application, decided to interfere with the method the customer should be using the product. 3. The third Item, In the non Islamic world, there is affluence in terms of material wealth, but there is poverty in terms of spiritual wealth. People are desperate to find their creator, which is an imbedded trait like a salmon fish. But their false gods are in the way. The minute these people come in contact with Islam, and listen with an open mind, they feel freed like a bird. I have personally seen the fervor of new reverts to Islam and how much they value their new identity. Islam is growing fastest among Women in the west, isn't that interesting? of all groups, proving that the King has no clothes. 4. Fourth item, Here comes the solution, a one stop shop for all mankind's needs in this world connected to their needs in the next life. In today's parlance we call convergence of media, when we converge networks to save money and provide a better service. And in business when companies combine their assets and employees and cut waste to become profitable. So you can see why Islam is getting so much attention these days instead of Falun Gong. Islam can deliver and can save mankind. Nur 2002 NURTEL NEATWORKS

Raxmah sis Tahoor inshAllah, may Allah cleanse you fro all sins, and make this accident the best thing that happened to you, a point of inflection and a time for reflection, in which you rest from the hectic rat race and spend in bed thinking about Allah SWT alone and how well you would serve Him once you recover. Now that you are ill in bed like many other Mulims, you may not easily get up for prayers, or fast or do other good. So think about the times when your body was well, and how you have spent your days away from what counts most. Because our head hurts, we may not be able to make Sujuud no matter how much we like to do it, because we are ill. So, think, that this was a wake up call and you may have been chosen by Allah for a purpose. Allah tests his servants for a purpose, if they pass the test with colorful grades, they get even closer to allah SWT. So, make istighfaar a lot, make Dhiker of Allah a lot, this hardship shall change to a hardstone (diamond) and the loss to a gain, and your solitude to a company with Allah SWT. My prayers with you walaalo, please pray for me, too. So, say, " Innaa Lillaaah, wa innaa ileyhi Rajicuun" To Allah do we belong, and to him is our return. Say that to win, Salawaat ( Kindness ) from Allah and Raxmah. Nur