Nomads Why did ya all drop ball on me?, we all promised that we're in Quraan reading club, but after registration, all of the Nomads are no where to be seen, have they all travelled to the far end of Kurtunwaarrey? I read Suurah al Zumar today, these verses caught my imagination, inshAllah I will expound on them once I see the ball rolling again, an empty room is not a good place for interactivity. " 39.9": What! he who is obedient during hours of the night, prostrating himself and standing, takes care of the hereafter and hopes for the mercy of his Lord! Say: Are those who know and those who do not know alike? Only the men of understanding are mindful . " 39.10": Say: O my servants who believe! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord; for those who do good in this world is good, and Allah's earth is spacious; only the patient will be paid back their reward in full without measure . "39.11": Say: I am commanded that I should serve Allah, being sincere to Him in obedience . "39.12": And I am commanded that I shall be the first of those who submit . "39.13": Say: I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the chastisement of a grievous day . "39.14": Say: Allah (it is Whom) I serve, being sincere to Him in my obedience : "39.15": Serve then what you like besides Him. Say: The losers surely are those who shall have lost themselves and their families on the day of resurrection; now surely that is the clear loss. "39.16": They shall have coverings of fire above them and coverings beneath them; with that Allah makes His servants to fear, so be careful of (your duty to) Me, O My servants! "39.17": And (as for) those who keep off from the worship of the idols and turn to Allah, they shall have good news, therefore give good news to My servants, Your thoughts about these verses are appreciated. Nur

Femme - Fatale ( Dressed to Kill?) I have written the following piece in Somali language, an excerpt of the topic ( Kaalaya ila arka jannada, Come lets discover Paradise), on this Islam page, no time to say it in English, I hope it helps . Reer Jannaadka Xaalkooda 1. Ragga Ree Jannadka Waxaa Alla soo saardi doonaa ragga reee jannadka ah ayagoo u eg aabbahaood Adam, ayafgoo qaawan, oo qurxoon oo indho kuulan oo cumrigoodana yahay 33 sano jir. Ayagoo leh quruxda Nabi Yusuf, qalbiga Ayyuub, iyo carrabka Nabi Muxammad SAWS. Ayagoo allah u dhameystiray, qurux iyo dhallinyaranimo, oonan dhimanin, oonan hurdin. 2. Haweenka Ree Jannaadka Haweenka Jannada waa labo nooc a. Xuurul Cayn Waan uun Allah uu ku uumay jannada, oo loo uumay ree jannadka oo Allah uu ku mataalay Yaaquut wal marjaan, ama lul maknuun. waa haween aad u qurqurxoon, carfoon, kor jilcan, hadii mid ayaga ka mid ahi ay soo qooraansato reer adduunka, wexey iftiimin laheyd adduunkoo dhan iyo wax dul jooga, muminkana waxaa sugaya kuwa aan la tirin karin oo ayaga ah. b. Haweenka Ree Adduunka ee muminatka ah. Kuwass waa boqorrada Jannada, waana ka sharaf badan yihiin, oo ka fadli badan yihiin, oona ka qurux badan yihiin Xuurul Ceynka c. Wilasha Waa uunka jannada oo ka adeega jannada oo da yar, oo u adeega reer jannadka, ayagoo la wareega cunnada iyo cabitaanka , mar walbana heegan u ah iney u adeegaan ahlul Jannada. Araggooda aad buu u qurxoon yahay taasoo farax gelisa reervjannadka markey ka qaadanayaan cuunada iyo cabitaanka d. Dhasha Jannada Ku dhalata. Dhashaani waa naxariista Allah siiyo dadka muslimiinta ah oo adduunka ku dhali waayey acrruur , haddey doonaan dhallan, Allah ayaa siiya carruur ahlul Jannah ah ooy ku farxaan, raxmaddiisa awgeed

Prosecution Media: Objection your honor. Judge: Sustained: Your honor, its unbelievable what these two experts are saying, after all they are women, they are oppressed and they are probably forced to say what they are saying, I cant believe that Muslim women are liberated by Islam, look, how these two women are forced this despicable medieval rags! why cant they wear fashion from Bloomingdlaes, Fifth Avenue or Dabenhams? Where are the Muslims men, why are they hiding behind their women? there are non in this court because they are all terrorists or are planning terrorism. Judge Public opinion: The law says that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, how can you accuse all muslims to be terrorists? Prosecution Media: Your honor, all of those involved in 9/11 were Muslims. Judge: How do we know that? This Judge of Public Opinion can not trust the Media as it is a party in this dispute, also, the government has misled the public on Iraq Weopons of Mass destruction, so, we need neutral information, may be from Europeans other the British. Besides does it make to say that since and those involved in Abu Ghreib and Guantanamo were Americans , then its an American crime against all Muslims? I am sure you know better. As the Judge in this court, Public Opinion, using the free internet as a means of finding truth, since the Media is a party to this dispute, I will only accept untainted accounts of events that show transparency and objectivity, no prejudice, racism, or special minterest groups motives. Judge Public Opinion: Miss Og-Girl ( Deffence Lawyer) you say : Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, the biggest culprit in demonising Islam and Muslims are the media. Few powerful groups with self-serving interest control the media. Your Honor, I am not saying we don’t need a media, we do and a very active one for our free society to function. But what have today is media controlled by very few rich people and these people are the ones who decide what you get to read, hear or see at the end of the day " Could you please elaborate more on this point, if what you are saying is true, we should all be rightfully concerned, because, Justice if for all, and no one is above justice. Ms Hiba As the Presiding Judge in this court today, Miss Public opinion, myself a female, I am amazed how we have been mislead by the Media, could you please be specific, we need specific examples of your accusations against the Media. 2005 e-Nuri Common-Sense Advisors Justice is the best Security

Nomads, Mini, Hiba, Sageguy, Kruella and Almas Thanks for taking the time to respond to the questionaire. My intention was to remind us all of a very important Islamic concept known as Ibaadah Ibaadah is devided into two components; 1. Between you and Allah 2. Between you and Creatures the latter is devided into; 1. Relationship between you and Humans 2. Relationship between you and Animals the Relationship between you and Humans is further divided into; 1.Relationship between you and Raxim ( Family) 2.Relationship between you and all others In the context of family and friends, I feel after we spend the cream of our time with all others, famly ( Raxim) ends up with the leftover of our time, and as a person guilty of this sin, it feels terrible that we save the worst of our time to those we consider to be the most valuable in our lives, our Raxim. InshAllah, I will elaborate more on this topic soon. Nur

Jazaakellahu Khairan Bint Abi Saciid The Principle of Tawheed is the most fundemental one in Islam, without it, Muslims we are no more, the concept has as the author pointed out valuable benefits, but, today Nomads do not get the idea clearly because in their practical life, they adhere to other principles in clear conflict with Tawheed. A cornerstone of Tawheed is the concept of ilaah, which I have explained in one of my threads ( Looking back to the concept fo Tawheed), a fuzzy understanding of the meaning of ilaah creates a fuzzy response and fuzzy action. The same goes for the meaning of Rabb, ibaadah. Did Pharoah of Egypt claim that he created the Children of Isreal and Copts when he calimed " I am your highest RABB" ? not indeed, his claim was that he had the last say in their affairs and their lives due to his power and their weakness. When we read Suurah al ikhlaas, and come across the word Allah is SAMAD, does it mean to us that all Muslims should strive to make Allah the highest source of authorization anything we do in private and Public. SAMAD in todays parlance means Sovereign, he questions all, but no one questions him. As Muslims today, and from a practical point of view, our miseries and pain emanates from our poor understanding of Tawheed, and thus our actions that show a fear of other than Allah, belief that Rizq can come from others or that others can harm us, which are all what is driving this ummah to be the laughing stock of the world. Unless, we walk our talk, fully apply the Principle of tawheed in our lives, not only are we going to suffer in this life, a more severe suffering may be in store, acaadanalaahu minhaa Nur

Najma sis Baarakallahu feek! for sharing with us this great piece. Prayer ( Salaat) is indeed a refreshing session with our maker, imagine how much spiritual decay and pollution we pick up in the course of a day?, if our souls are like our houses, and usage of the house was intense, then it makes sense that we routiely clean it up to keep it fit for its purpose. Of all the tasks, Salat ( prayers) is the most relaxing, and rejuvenating, optimizing our energies and focusing our progression. The Messeneger of Allah used to say " Arixnaa bihaa yaa bilaal" " O bilaal, refresh us with it(Prayers)". In contrast, many Nomads including myself, at times, when we get so much involved in Dunyaa, we say " Naga bixi salaadda" let us get it over with Salaats burden. Nomads, we need to examine our performance in our prayers to see if our on the right course, because, our Salaat, is our Silaat ( connection) with our maker, if teh connection corrodes, no duaa transmissions, our calls not answered, and our worries in this life and the next multiply. Let us pay a close attention on the quality of our prayers. Nur

Its summer time again, the third summer since I posted this article on SOL, for most nomads, it is a time of reflection and change, I suggest you take the time to read this topic again. Nur

Walaal Sahal Wexey carabtu tiraah "Sharruyl baliyati maa yudhxik" balo waxaa ugu shar badan, tan kaa qoslisa. Wexey carabtu tiraah oo kale " Idaa zahara al sabab, batala al cajab" Haddey sababtu caddaato, yaabku wuu tagaa" In this occasion. please allow me to repost one of my satirical all time articles on the relations bewteen Americanism and Islam, I am reposting it for an audinece who may have not read it before, at least before the law of free speech is updated with a new sensorship law from congress. Here are the articles: Nomads This is an earlier e-Nuri Post the contents are timeless, enjoy reading. DISCLAIMER The information in this Post and ideas delivered with it is intended only for the sole purpose of Edutainment ( combination of entertainment and education), Ideas presented in this post should be discussed cautiously at home or at heavily populated fadhi ku dirir cafe's. as it may contain hilarious material as well as useful knowledge. 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Statements and opinions expressed in this post are those of the the fictional Cag Biciid pesronality alone, and do not necessarily reflect those of Somaliaonline nor of Nur, e-Nuri, Nurtel Communications or its subsidiaries. Nurtel Communications should not be confused with Nortel Networks, the Canadian based Telecom manufacturer, further, Nurtel Communications is not owned by Somaliaonline, Warlords, Somaliland, Puntland or the TNG, nor is there any negoatiations for purchase by said entities. This disclaimer was prepared under the influence of strong Somali Tea, the strongest substance used by the writer ever . A Tale Of Two Religions Americanism and Islam, a comparison . These days one can not escape but see comparsions of Islam and the new great world Religion called Americanism. As a former priest of Americanism, and currently a simple muslim at peace with himself and the world, I thought some bridging of gaps of misunderstanding may help. The cornerstone and the foundation of the Americanism Theology is a concept called: PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS This concept simply states that as long as what you do does not negatively affect others, you are entitled to pursue it and enjoy it. It allows gays to get married, but due to the negative impact of polygamy to society, polygamy is prohibited. The Americanism church is sometimes kind enough to declare your additional wife as a girlfriend. The Americanism Religion does not explain life after death, and what is in store for Americans after they die, it leaves this part to a myriad of religions including Islam to explain. Americanism religion stresses The value of this life and how one should fully enjoy it while it lasts. This concept is transmitted through sermons aired by TV , movies, Billboards and the lists go on. So many followers of the Americansim religion try to be happy and not to worry specially when they lose their jobs, houses repossesed, wife runs away with boyfriend and leaves behind a dog to look after if she is kind to him. Later, this follower of this great world religion, out of joy takes advantage of his rights, the right to die, and jumbs from the Brooklyn Bridge to pursue happiness. Some other followers of the Americanism religion, have it all, money, power, looks, ..., but late at night when he is alone, ponders the purpose of life, why I am here, what is my function, why so many people hate me, why are they envious of my success, this follower of this great world religion, is trying to pursue happiness, so in the morning his body is found floating on his expensive pool. Police say he took his life, and reporters explain that he was always depressed due to all the money he had that failed to fill the void that he could not explain. Islam also encourages followers to pursue happiness, But it teaches the way to be happy is to first understand the purpose for which people live. Islam explains in layman's terms the beginning and the end and it teaches that initially mankind was happy, they lived in the garden of Eden. There was no worry nor pain. Mankind fell from grace due to his disobedience to his maker and obedience to his arch enemy, Satan. Islam teaches that to be happy again, one has to strive to attain his lost paradise where true happiness can be claimed back again. So when you do actions that lead you to your destination, a Muslim becomes happy, like benevolence, charity, prayers etc. Muslims enjot these acts and find relief doing it. Right To Life Second Principle that both religions Americanism and Islam share is the sanctity of life. Americanism religion began as a religion that saw human life through a Prism. Different colors were assigned different rights and different values. Some colors did not even enjoy the care and love shown to dogs and cats. Later, through the acive participation of christianity, this moral imbalance was narrowed, and the Americanism church reevaluated the sanctity of human life and came up with a new (Fatwaa) Edict stating that those with money go up in the church's hierarchy, and those with no money are at the bottom and should serve their masters. So, if you have any money, the church overlooks your problems and the high priest of the church will forgive you in exchange of a donation to one of the clergy at the congregation congress. Islam sees the value of human life as sanctified by his maker, all colors are the decendants of the same couple, in effect, David Duke and Malcolm X are brothers, so are Sharon and Hitler, all four can be a happy family under Islam, can you imagine all these guys hugging each other out of joy saying Assalamu Alaikum, Peace upon you. The Right To Bear Arms Americanism Religion states that every human has the right to defend their lives and properties, as they are sanctified. Even when the state tries to take these rights away, a follower of the American religion, specially the extremist faction the NRA , is taught not to obey his church of Red-White-and-Blue. So bearing arms for ones deffense is a cornerstone in Americanism Religion. Islam teaches followers the same idea, It teaches one must deffend his life, properties and religion this concept is called Jihad. Jihad is not meant to transgress, as Islam teaches not to transgress but even to forgive for the sake of kindness to attract others to Islam. Islam does not teach aggression, it teaches compassion. But when one is endangered, it teaches to defend his religon, life and properties, in that order. The right to Privacy Americanism religion teaches that no one should violate peoples privacy. To secure the privacy of its faithful, Americansm religion has created the worlds largest machine and collection of talent and gadgets to peek into the lives of the faithful to be able to locate violations before one contemplates doing them. Now the Americanism church can even tell you what is in your mind. A follower of this church is always aware of his Big Priest behind his shoulder. Islam teaches the same thing. Privacy should not be violated. Three verses in the Holy Quraan assure this fundemental right whose meaning are. 1. O ye who believe, do not enter houses that are not yours without the permission of the owners and greeting the inhabitants. 2. Approach houses (when you want to enter them) through the doors (right venues, not from alleys) 3.Do not spy on one another. Islam does not judge you by intentions, but by actions only an example was when a man threatened ti kill Omar, the second Caliph, Omar asked not to prosecute, and the man Abu Luulu'ah went ahead with his threat and stabbed the Caliph while in prayer. The caliph asked not to punish the man beyoud what he has committed. Ronald Reagan did the same, but then, the assailant kid came from a rich family. 2002 Nurtell Communications From the archives Americanism Religion Fundementals Edited for Somali Nomads and Refugees Chapter One Americanism on Life The Americanism Religion has established a deacon for the search for extraterrestial life. This diocese who works under the theologists at NASA, have swept 5% of the sky and found no other life, intelligent or not, so the deacon decided, to accellerate the distruction of the planet as a response, by inciting the conflict of civilizations and religions to bring an end to history. The institute that is intrusted to look for lifeforms in depths of the oceans and the edge of Universe care less if children in Africa can survive a famine this summer, because these bloated bellied naked and crying children in Uganda, are not the same species to warrant an alarm for church members. So these can be wasted, and no one would argue. But the church is worried about fanatics who advocate for the animal rights, and the Redwoods in Nothern California. Americanism on Justice The Americanism church have appointed judicial system that protects the rights of the faithful. Here is how it works: The faithful elect a clergy member for the church who they pay him elected and then he sells them a piece of paradise. The clergy can perform burial tituals even for dogs as long as the dogs are paying. The archdiocese teaches that justice is the distribution of wealth of the planet by giving 5% of world population the right to consume 80% of world resources and if anyone fails to understand the logic, they are told to believe in miracles. The church teaches that there is only one life to live and it can be best enjoyed in Sunset boulevard, fifth Avenue, Mawi and Palm Beach. As for punishment, there is Ghazza, Guantanamo, Afghamistan, Somalia, and Iraq. The church does not recognize a nine month ald fetus as human, so best time to kill a person according to the female members of this great church is when they are s fetus, acually you can collect some benefits by killing fetuses if you donate them to the branch of the church that undertakes research and cloning. Historical, the church has ordained some human sacrifices In WWII, the Killing of 70000 Japanese was justified to protect the fishing vessels in Hawaii, since the Japanese can reach and drop bombs on San Fransisco's Fisherman's Warf and New York's little Italy Pizzarias. Millions of Vietnamese in the Vietnams War, Millions of Europeans in WWII, Millions in the mideast have so far been sacrificed by the church, the latest being the Iraqi Kids who were watching Fox news News when Tomahauks were sent to libereate them. The church has admitted that it can not stop this madness alone since it has a commitment to buy the weapons of mass destruction to employ the faithful, and keep the factories running and the Banks getting their investments ten times or more. These wars are like forest fires,the church reasons, they sweep the world every ten years taking away inferior life forms to make room for good life in America. This cycle always coincides with cycle of recession when the church normally ordains new priests who preach wars and destruction in poor parts of the world. So the church spent the lst century fighting Communism, and Communism disappeared. Now there is the menace of a new threat to the church and it is called Terrorism. Lesson Two Terrorism . Americanism Church can not define terrorism, so I will try o explain what it means in my own way. When a person has fear of hights, that person has a desease that ends with Phobia. Some people have a desease in which they fear their mother in Law it is called Motherinlawphobia. So some members of the church buy a gun and shoot her, Terrorism can justify her killing. Toddlerphobia, is the fear of toddlers breaking your expensive artifact from China. You can throw the toddler from the balcony, or drown five of your children in the bath tub, ( As seen on TV) as a follower of the church of compassion. Psychologists see this all the time. Now, people in the Mideast have their own phobia And the people in the land of Amerigo Vespucci have their own phobia The people in the Mideast feel threatened by Coca Cola, Pepsi and McDonalds. They have phobia of freedoms given by the Americanism church like Bishop Hugh Heffner's Cult, the People of Soddom and Gommorrah, and the marginalization of their religion by the mighty Americanism religion. The Church leaders in the Americanism religion fear the Coca Cola Phobia itself. Because the church believes that there should be only one religion in the world, If you are not with Americanism religion, you are against it. The faithful must be babtized by Coca Cola holy water. Bishop Hugh Heffener shows how anyone can find paradise in Americanism religion without dying, he has the most beautiful women around him and he changes them weekly, a clear sign which shows how the church values women by taking their closthes off and selling them for profits. The church is afraid about extremist organizations who conspire to put clothes back on women beautiful bodies, specially the veil. The church thinks that if women are veiled, they will talk smart behind the veil, and no man can babe her anymore, this terrorizes the members of the church who can not tame their hormones. Lesson Three Democracy for Dummies As a slow reader, I usually look for titles like (...For Dummies) which makes me comfortable, I reason, if dummies can learn OOPS ( Object oriented Programming) so can I. As an extension of that statement I searched for Democracy for Dummies and I could not find the title, so I decided to author it myself, here is a head start: Democracy is a composite Greek word, Demo, means Dumb people and Cratis means rule or power. It is equivalent to Republic which is the same thing in Latin, meaning Re = king and Public is People , which means the peoples Kingdom. The idea of Democracy was to to give the power to the people and take it away from feudals, Popes and Emperors of mideaval Europe. To make a long story even longer, Democracy has many engineering flaws, it does not work, but somepeople believe it does and that is how it really works. ( The reason it does not work is because it was not invented by scientists, because scientists use rats to see if it works) 1. Democracy was not meant to be an ellitist or controlled by the wealthy. Fact: Today, demographics tell us that ignorant people sell their votes for the highest bidder, usually political action lobbies representing organizations who support a politician with election money in order to make the politician sign billions of money as a return, a great investment. 2. Democracy was meant to be secular Fact : USA is being run by the Neocons, a Fundementalist Protestant and Jewish Zealots. Some Democracies in Europe are religious , for example in Germany, Italy and others there are religious parties that are named Christian Democrats. With an exception in MBT (Military Bullied Turkey), no Islamic Democratic Party is allowed in Turky, the word Islam is banned to appear in any political forum, so the Islamists cover themselves with Virtue , Justice etc. In India the BJP, tyhe Ultra riligious Hindu Party is enjoying the overwhelming Hindu Vote, the largest democracy on earth is religiously motivated, with a religious agenda. In Israel, Ultra Religious parties are fueling the motivation of the exisitence of the Jewsih state founded in 1949 on Plaistininan usurped lands, Without these religious parties, no one can justify the exisitence of Israel, a racial and religious entity which uses Democracy as a shield against criticism, in its drive to collect donations for its armed forces and settlers who encrouch on Palistinian Lands ever day. In Algeria, the Islamists were winning the election when the European backed Military intervened against the eventual victory for the Islamists, their hopes crushed, a civil war erupted. 3. Democracy is meant to represent the majority of citizens of the republic. The majority of Americans stay away from voting every year, because the only choices are a Donkey and an Elephant, this year the elephant is in power in all houses and the elephant is charging like a bull in Papillona Bull Chasing festival in Iraq, the elephant is mad, everyone is keeping their heads down. If the majority truly rules, the following tally should appear in TV Democrats = 15 percent of votes Republicans = 16 percent of votes Unsatisfied citizens silent Party = 69 percent of the votes So this year, NO BODY FOR PRESIDENT. Mr. Nobody will make a great president in my opinion. Imagine a four year period in which you go about your life and you hear no politicians lies. Democracy, a lie with weak feet to run on whose moment of truth arrived. Nurtell Religious Politics Studies Institute The Light side of the heavy stuff

Najma sis a great story, jazaakellah khairan, what was your previous screenname, i may be confusing you with other Namad? Nur

Nomads fro Australia and New Zealand Word is that many Aussie Nomads found the Qaat naturally growing on streets, and that they no longer import the weed from Kenya, also, they found wild camels in the desert, which explains that Somali ausssies are rather quite on this forum. ( I am not suggesting that all Somali aussies chew the naturally growing weed, may be just a few!) Nur

Nafisa sis. MaashAllah tabaarakallah, a pricelss post, Allah said: Have you not seen how Allah coined a similitude (of parable) a good word like a good tree, the root of that tree is firmly established in the ground and the branches reach the heavens ." The good word is the : Tawheed : No Sovereign other than Allah SWT Allah says about that word. " Ileyhi yascadul kalimul tayyib, wal camalu saalixu yarfacuh" To Him ( Allah) does the word (affirmation of Soveerignty of Allah) rise ( to be accepted and honored), and (as a result of that word) the good deeds ( The word inspires in total ikhlaas sincerity) Allah SWT raises it to( be accepted). May Allah SWT accept our deeds, and make our last word the affirmation of His undisputed unshared Sovereignty ( uluuhiya) Nur

Xiinfaniin Walaal, 600,000 oo dollar oo dhiman weli ma la helay? haddan weli la helin, halkee wax u marayaan? bal nala soo socodsii si loo raadiyo lacagtaas dhiman. Nur

A great read indeed, Abul Qayyim Hearts, says Ibnul qayyim, are created for our awareness of Allah SWT. If I describe this, The heart is like a radar, it contnuesly seeks out its Lord by seeking the faintest of signals, the good heart is like a good radar, it finds its Lord from many signs around, it appreciates Allah and worships Allah SWT , while a rusty heart barely sees the signs of Allah SWT due to the corrosion laminated on it by the accumulation of sins, but the worst of hearts is the dead heart, the Quraan, becomes a fitnah for them, the more they learn from the signs of Allah, the more they get confused. Nur

Xiinfaniin Jazaakallahu Khairan for your comment, thee Mwduuc category is rather interesting, as many benevlont as well as malicious narrators introduced Hadeeths that were fabricated ( Mowduuc) . Ther was an instance that a man was caught redhanded creating a Mowduuc Hadeeth, the hadeeth was reenforcing that Muslims should do more good althogh it was false. So, when this man was asked why he lied about the Messneger SAWS, he defended himself by saying that he did not lie against teh Messneger of Allah SAWS, rather, he lied FOR him. Today, people call this type of a lie, a white lie, but in reality, there is nothing right, or white about a lie, any lie. Nur

Ina Kaadhi Najaasle Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ To the record, Mr. Cak Bakeyle’s front teeth are gone for he drafted letters to you without the full knowledge of Anarchists leadership The reason that there are so many Kaadhi Najaasle members in the Anarchist Somali parliament is because every clan believes that a wadaad will not be able to stand for the other Ina najaasle, so we have a parliament by the Ina najaaslayaal, for the Ina Najaalayaal, to the Ina najaaalayaal. Will come back with more analyses Cag Bakayle 2005 Somaliaonline e Magazine The light side of the heavy stuff

Its Summertime again, hot pants, hot desires and hot hell afterwards are all lined up for those who unleash their uncontrolled animal instincts followed around by Satan ( Fa atbacahu al Sheitaan, fa kaana minal ghaawiin) or for those who willingly choose the comoany of bad influence over the righteus friends ( Wa qayadhnaa lahum quranaa fa zayanuu lahum maa beyna aydiihim wa ma khalfahum). For those mentioned above, the Devils, influence them to awaken their dormant animal instincts, causing them to shake like a Devil reposessed person. So, if you feel weak to stand the heat of temptation this summer, avoid, being found in the Ghafla state, shaking your butt with Music. Try listening Quraan for a change. Nur

Nomads Many of you active on this forum or other forums, participate in discussion on issues that interest you. The discussion takes time slots of your daily schedule, which leaves scarce time resource for the rest of your Islamic endeavors. I kindly ask you, do you think that most of us can answer the following questions favorably if we were asked? How much of the following Islamic activities do you find a time for: 1. Helping of the poor and disadvantaged monetarily, morally or materially on a regular basis . 2. Dedicate some of your time for family and relatives as an exercise of connecting with your Raxim as a token of Allah's love ( Raxim was derived from Allah's name Raxiim ) 3. Influence others to follow your lead. Nur

i -Nuri Coming attractions ! Constitutional Anarchy A New Constitution to legalize Anarchy, the first in the world. Minster of Defense of Somalia's war arsenal: WMD ( Weapons of Mass Destruction- TRIBALISM as a WMD, Should guarantee Somalias permanenet seat in UN Security Council Minister Of Commerce upcoming campaign: Brand Managemnet of Anarchy, let us export Anarchy with a logo that reads Anarchy Made In Somalia . Minister Of National Security National Plan: The Anarchist help Desk: For Destruction press 1, For looting Press 2, Murder-for-Hire press 4. Minister Of Foreign Affairs: Applied Anarchy For Hire Service offered to foregin nations who need results Nur 2005 i-Nuri Subliminals @ Somaliaonline

An Ambassador From A Sovreign . Open your heart to receive him . Imagine, someone knocking on your door late one night, you crawl out of your warm and cozy bed and peek out the door, its a cold night , weather is very bad, windy and dangerous. You are not sure if you want to open, you dont know what to expect. Who could it be you wonder, walking this late hour of the night? what could be his motive and what does he want from me? He knocks on your door at a time when you lost trust of all people, including your close family ( Raxim) and decided to cut relations with them, and for that purpose you bought a Caller ID phone, removing your name from the white pages for a fee if you have donated to your poor relatives, it would have bought them food for a week. He knocks on your door at a time when injustice and oppression is everywhere, in some places, injustice has its own Ministry, its called the Ministry of "Justice', and in the name of justice, a lot of injustice is committed. This brand of Justice is for sale, and those who have money can buy it, and use the Justice they just bought as a means to make more money so they can buy more Justice for their interests. He knocks on your door at a time when socially, no morals are left to be safeguarded, Steeling/robbing other nations resources is known as National interest, annihilating an entire village is a Policy, hypocricy is known as politics, the art of having permanent interest, not permananent friends as the smart principle. The law, you come to find out the hard way, does not protect fools, the disadvantaged, the poor, so in every deal, you need a troop of lawyers to arbitrate a troop of liars whose hands are in each others pockets while using the remaining hand to form a coalition of the willing to jointly steal others wealth. He knocks on your door at a time when morality of the sexes is being redefined, men are no longer all men, and women are no longer all women, two new sexes are an accepted reality, and no one knows what is coming next. He knocks on your door when Somalis are a collection of suspicious tribesmen, each one bent on dispising, suspecting and hating the other tribe, while each one of them is in bed a worse enemy with a catastrophic interest in their division and anarchy. He knocks on your door just when you wanted to be delivered to safety. He is an Ambassador from a Sovereign. Unlike world sovereigns whose sovereignty is questioned by B-52 Stealth bombers hovering over their heads (are there any sovereigns anymore?). This Sovereign, sees the perception behind this birds stealth and might. A sovereign who has absolute power over all things and full undisputed ownership of all you see or dont see, hear,touch and smell. A Sovereign who wil always have it His way, no one can change His plans, nor influence His decisions. His Ambassador, is not Chauffeur driven in a late Model Mercedes Benz, nor on a Stretch Limo with a bar and a Giacuzzi, He is not interetsted meeting the rich and the influential, He prefers, the poor and the downtrodden for friends ( Axibbu al masaakiina wa jaalisuuhum). He came alone, to your life to show you His Sovereigns kind message for your happiness, to demonstrate to you the message practically in person as a Husband, father, leader, teacher, warrior, peace maker, Judge, businessman and a friend. He tells it as it is, no official lies, no split personality, He is a model of all that is good, He was honest in character, brave when dealing with his enemies, fair when negotiating with his adversaries, forgiving when he had the upper hand and prudent when he fulfilled his obligations, he was a model parent, raising His children with love, not violence, caring about his neigbors, playful with his spouses, and above all, a very likeable person, like the powerful blackhole in space , no one who've ever met him could help but admire Him. He, came to your life in the form of collection of his life's story and collected sayings, ( Jawaamic al Kalim) He is Muhammad Salla Allah Caleyhi Wa Sallim Please open your door, and let him in your life, Enjoy eating with his Sunna way, emulate him in all of your endeavors The way you dress Theway you deal with people The way you earn a living The way you treat friends, family, neighbors and spouses " Laqad kaana Lakum Fi Rasuulillahi uswatun Xasanah, liman kaan yarjullaha wal yowmal aakhir" Truly, There was a good model (to emulate) for you in the person ( and life) of the Messnegr of Allah, for those who aspire for meeting Allah and (are ready) for the day of judgemement. Nomad bro and sis. How much of His do you (emulate)apply? Nur 2005 eNuri Softwaano Series Iron was meant to corrode, not our perception

Hadeeth Science, Simplified The Prophet Muhammad SAWS spent 23 years delivering the message of Allah to the people of Allah in Arabia. His companions who have known him and his opponents alike respected him in a way no man was ever respected in History. Prophet Mohammed SAWS, since his childhood was known for honesty, within his tribe , the Qureish, they called him Mohammed Al Ameen, or the honest. At age 40 when he suddenly the revelations came to him with the message of Islam, it caused great anguish among his closest relatives and tribe alike. Because his message was compromising the position of their predominant and highly regarded tribe among the Arabs. In a sense, the message was similar to a southern white fighting for the rights of the blacks in the 1800's can you imagine the uproar he could have caused? In those 23 years of active Dawa (Preaching) of Islam and political and military life, his companions, listened and memorized his sermons and speeches, short and long. A father would narrate it to his children and so on. So while he lived there was no problem with authentication as he was alive and no one has attempted to make up stories. During his life, the prophet warned that anyone who falsifies a hadeeth is securing his permanent place in Hell. For that reason, the companions took great pains in not reporting a Hadeeth that they doubted its authenticity. After his death, the Muslims saw the importance of compilation of the Hadeeth and a meticulous system of collection was set up for the collection and classification of the Hadeeths. This process grew into a new Islamic science in its own right called the sciences of the Hadeeth (al Cadl- wal- Tajreex, cilmul- isnaad, Al taraajum etc) These are sciences that set qualification standards of credibility for narrators of the Hadeeeths, ISNAAD, or the science of referencing, which was born with the Hadeeth science, and the AL Taraajum, which are the biographies of the reporters of the hadeeth, their genealogy, geography of their lands, cultures and everything related to the reporters of the hadeeth as a measure to qualify there assertions and motives. As we will learn in this thread, the Muslim scholars went great lengths to ascertain the authenticity of the hadeeths for fear that imposters would make up hearsay hadeeth and they have actually created some. Because the product in question was the word of the holy Prophet SAWS to be transmitted to human kind, Islamic scholars invented the due-diligence and credit and background check system employed by the financial and the law enforcement industry today for the purpose of authentication. Hadeeth Science and the compilation of a single Hadeeth was based on the following Criteria: 1. Definition of hadeeth. 2. Classification and glossary, 3. Methods of narration. 4. Biographies of Narrators 5. Science of Referencing (ISNAAD) Today, we will cover 1. Definitions for starters Linguistically, the meaning of ( Hadeeth ) is from the Arabic word HADATHA, or news, incident, event etc. Hadeeth ( News) linguistically is antonym with (Qadeem) past, old, history, Also, in the Arabic, the young kids are known as (Axdaath) new age ( not to be confused with new age religion). The word Hadeeth in the religious context is reserved to all the news that were reported from the Prophet Mohammed SAWS. So the news needs verification. And the verifications of the story is the science of the Hadeeth. If the same rigorous method of cross examination, contextual integrity, background check of narrators, environment of narration, etc. If the same Verification process was applied today to Newsweek and Time Magazines, ( The contemporary Hadeeths ) which are more reliable than the King James Vesrion of the Bible, for example, they would not stand a chance in publishing a single issue, why you may ask, and the answer to that question leads to the next Chapter. Types of Hadeeths 1. Category one : Saheeh (Correct) A Hadeeth of this category enjoys the highest credibility, it is used in the Sharia as an augmentation of the explanation of the Quraan. Denial of a Hadeeth in this category is a grave sin and it can lead to Kufr. This Category has many variations of Correctness, and ahadeeth to be ranked Sahih, or Correct must meet all of the criteria's of correctness, ( Political Correctness, is not considered in Islam as the case was for the drafting of the Nicene Creed of Christian Beliefs ). As an introductory survey, we will mention three of the elements of correctness for an example. 1. Correct in terms of the line of narration ( ISNAAD ) 2. Correct in terms of the anthology ( Method of collection) Similar to police evidence collection methods ( Remember the Simpson Case?) 3. Correct in terms of the text itself (MATN). So as you can deduce, a hadeeth can be correct in terms of line of narration and compilation, but still may fail the textual integrity, in this case we call this hadeeth a defective Hadeeth ( maa' lool ), failing to reach Sahih level, but still may qualify for other category as we will visit. If on the other hand the hadeeth is textually correct, but the line of narration has a gab in the linkage of narrators, we call this hadeeth Broken chain hadeeth ( Munqadie). If the hadeeth is compiled in a way different than the standard methods employed by the scolars ( Jumhur), then, that hadeeth does not enjoy the Saheeh category and we will visit the terminologies in the days to come in ShaAllah. A hadeeth can further be Correct (Saheeh) for its own contents self support, ( This is like a travel document for a refugee, not a passport for a citizen) we call this category ( Saheeh li thaatih). A Hadeeth can further be correct for the support of another Hadeeth only ( Saheeh li gheirih), or the Hadeeth can serve both roles. In another category, the hadeeth can be saheeh on the conditions set by the compilers ( saheeh alaa shardeyhimaa), the compilers are Bukhaari and Muslim. And the last category of this quick survey is the (Correct-but-Odd) category, (saheeh ghareeb), meaning the hadeeth has qualified for the saheeh category but was reported by only one narrator with top credibility clearance. Criteria For the Classification of The Hadeeth The following Five Criteria are used to classify a hadeeth to be a Saheeh 1. Al Sanad ( Chain of narrators ), The chain is continuous, no missing links. 2. Al Adaalah , (Narrators Character, must be flawlessly perfect, in terms of piety, credibility, courage, generosity, wisdom and good judgment) If this stringent condition is applied in politics, no US president or any other world leader today can fulfill such requirement. 3. Al Dhabd , ( meaning that the narrator have memorized the hadeeth beyond question, or recorded it in a tablet, and is able to recollect it with consistency whenever requested. This condition implies that he is mentally sharp, serious in delivering responsibilities. ( President Ronald Reagan would not have made it to the Whitehouse with his famous "I Do Not Recall" ) 4. Cadam Al Shuduud , (A Hadeeth must not be an odd hadeeth) , Shuduud means that a narrator who is sufficiently credible provides a hadeeth that contradicts another hadeeth narrated by a more credible narrator, in terms of degree of their respective memorization competencies, lingusitic compprehension abilities ( Not failing their SAT) etc. ( This is analogous to two officers with different levels of security clearance presenting testimony to a judge to support a point of view. The testimony of the officer with the higher level of clearance supercedes the testimony of the lower clearance level officer) 5. Cadam Al E' laal . ( Free of any defective characteristic that compromises the hadeeth's credibility ) ,for example there is a mismatch in the names of the narrators in the chain of narration, like saying, Ronald Kennedy reported this hadeeth from John Reagan, so although this hadeeth may have met other stringent requirements, it clearly has a defect (E'llah) although when closely viewed may not present serious infringement of the rules, if we patiently reconstruct the sequence, like ( Ronald Reagan reported form John Kennedy). So Any Hadeeth that passes those criteria with flying colors is called Saheeh in general terms, because, there is more to calling a hadeeth saheeh than this survey of ours can cover. Category Two. The Hassan hadeeth Hassan Hadeeth is not as flawless as the Correct ( Saheeh) hadeeth we have discussed above, but is nevertheless a reliable hadeeth that passed key Non-Fatal error criteria to qualify for applicability with caution, this is like the yellow light when driving, you have to proceed with caution, relying on Quraan as a check, but still leveraging its value on areas were other more reliable hadeeths are not available. ( This is like physicists relying on a theory until they find a better explanation) This Category though, is much more reliable than the next category of the Daciif, weak hadeeth. Al Tirmidhi , One of the major compilers of the Hadeeths has defined the Hassan Category as follows : Any hadeeth , whose narrators: 1. Character is not a Questionable issue , while some of the narrators in the chain may be known to be forgetful in some past narrations , but have never lied knowingly at any point in their lives ever. 2. The Stature of this narrator do not rise to the level of the reporters of the Saheeh category in the above five scoring criteria ( Meaning, they have lower level clearance ), yet, the narrators meets some minimum acceptability standard (beyond scope of this brief survey) to be considered a reliable hadeeth. Final Category is the (Daeef ) category ( Weak hadeeth, This category is by far more reliable than the Bible ) any hadeeth who fails in the above two categories is Weak, A weak hadeeth is not advised to be followed or applied in any legal issue nor settle an ambiguity in faith matters nor business law dsiputes. Unfortunately, Many of the Hadeeths floating and causing confusion in the Muslim world belong to this last category, which promts the attack on the Sunnah and Hadeeth . This type of hadeeth, is the kind of evidence a Judge will not hesitate to throw out of his court. Nur 2002 e-Nuri Sunnah Service Modern explanation of Legacy Traditions

Warsame, the in House Somali Christian Priest is busy educating Nomads in their Religion Islam, showing off his knowledge of Classical Arabic, Somali Language, Quraan and Hadeeth. For the fisrt time viewer, Warsame comes across as a legitimate scholar in these desciplines, however, everytime I have taken the time to read his responses I could not help but admire his resourcefulness in the art of dishonest debating, talking words out of context and his clear ignorance in the rudiments of the arabic language. Lately, he took his ignorance to a new level, he calimed that that the Quraan is warning Muslims not to follow the Hadeeth of the Messneger, interestingly, for a person who does not believe in the Quraan, he is using the Quran to refute the hadeeth, so once the Hadeeth is out of the way, he feels, he can take on the Quraan, to convince Nomads that Jesus is Allah and that Somalis should worship him. Warsame wrote: the Qur’an clearly prohibits Hadeeth and Sunnah other than the Qur’an. In fact, The Qur’an alone is the true Hadeeth and the true Sunnah : “ Bal si fiican u dhugo Aayadahan Quraanka ah : 1) Xadiis aan Quraanka aheyn ma rumeysantihiin? These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Below, I am reposting my response to his suggestion, followed by a short course about Hadeeth Science for those he confuses with his ignorance, to show him that the Hadeeth is far more accurate than his bible. Warsame The Verse from Suurah Al Jaathiyah that you have misquoted is translated as follows: 6. These are the portents of Allah which We recite unto thee (Muhammad) with truth. Then in what Hadeeth, after Allah and His portents, will they believe ? First let us read the whole context of the verses before I explain to you the meaning of Hadeeth: Verses 7 through 11 address people like you, let us see what Allah SWT says about you: 7 Woe unto each sinful liar, 8 Who heareth the revelations of Allah recited unto him, and then continueth in pride as though he heard them not. Give him tidings of a painful doom. 9 And when he knoweth aught of Our revelations he maketh it a jest. For such there is a shameful doom. 10 Beyond them there is hell, and that which they have earned will naught avail them, nor those whom they have chosen for protecting friends beside Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. 11 This is guidance. And those who disbelieve the revelations of their Lord, for them there is a painful doom of wrath. Warsame The word Hadeeth in Arabic ( I wrote a whole article on SOL ) is a word whose meaning is dependent on the context in which it addresses: Here, Hadeeth means news and commandments from Allah SWT, of which the very Messneger Muhammad SAWS brought His portents and proofs in action and words known as al Hadeeth al Nabawy al Shareef, because Muhammad SAWS was the conveyor of the message of Allah SWT, the people addressed with the above verses were polytheists like you, who ascribed chiuldren to Allah SWT, who believed the only way to get close to Allah is through his daughters, Laatta, Cuzza and Manaat, same like the way you belive that God is made of three Gods, God the Father, God The son and God the Holy Spirit, yet you believe that its a miracle that these three are still one God, who died on the Cross, But Quresih did not believe that God died for three days like you do, they believed that all other Gods on earth are infrior ,so in time of trouble they sought the God in heaven only, which God of the three Gods do you seek Warsame?. The Quraan highlights the importance of the Hadeeth as follws: 1 . His instructions ( Hadeeth) must be obeyed, in addition to the instructions of Allah ( Quraan) " Ateecu Allaha wa ateecu Arrasuula" U hogaansama Allah una hogaansama Rasuulka" Obey Allah and Obey The Messenger " Obedience means to obey him on all of his instructions to Muslims which were collectively compiled and categorized with great accuracy and known as the Hadeeth which is a practical interpretation of the Quraan, and also a form of waxy from Allah SWT which is far superior that the collection of stories by Paul and company who invented a new religion based on Polytheism mascquarading as a monotheist religion. 2. Refusal to Obey Hadeeth, in which the Messenger instructed to do something or farbade something can make a pesron a Kaafir, and a target for Allah's punsihment . " Fal yaxdarilladiina yukhaalifuuna can amrihi an yusiibahum fitnatun aw cadhaabun aliim" Ha iska jiraan kuwa diiday amarkiisa ( Rasuulka), iney fitno ku dhacdo ( Gaalnimo, sida tan adiga kugu dhacday), ama cadaab xanuun badan ( oom ku sugesys haddaad soo laaban wesyo ) 3. Even iimaan is conditional to accept the judgement of the Messneger Muhammad SAWS, and complete compliance and after judgememt, sumbmission to the judgmement and satisfaction . " Fa in tanaazactum fii shey in fa rudduuh ilaa Allah wa ilaa al rasuul" Markaad isku qabataan arrin, garta ugu taga Allah ( Kitaabka Quraanka ) iyo Rasuulka ( Hadeethka) And in case you dispute in a matter between you, then refer to Allah ( judgememts in Quraan ) and to the Messenger ( judgements in Hadeeth)" " Falaa wa rabbik laa yuminoon, xataa yuxakkimuuka fiimaa beynahum, thumma laa yajiduu fii anfusihim xarajan mimmaa qadeyta, wa yusallimuu tasliimaa" Nay, by your Lord o Muhammad, they will not be true believers up until they appoint you as their judge for their disputes gracelfully without any dissatisfactin, and obey your judgement after you decree a judgement ." 4. All of the Messengers instructions and prohibitions must be taken as Law. " Wa maa aataakum Al Rasuulu fa khuduuh, wa maa nahaakum canhu fantahuu" Wuxuu Rasuulku idiin keenay qaata, wuxuu idinka reebayna ka hadha" Follow (teachings ) brought to you by the Messenger of Allah SWT, and refrain (Prohibitions) he forbade that you do . 5. The hadeeth is none but a complementary instruction with Quraan. " Wa maa yantiqu canil hawaa, in huwa illaa huwaa illaa waxyun yuuxaa" Kamana hadlo Rasuulka hawadiisa, ( wuxuu ku hadlo waa waxyi loo waxyooday" It is not out of personal opinion that the Messenger talks about, its a revelation that is revealed to him . Now, Warsame, You seem to have a definite purpose of concealing truth knowingly, selectively using verses out of context, to prove one thing, that Muslims should not follow the Quraan and Sunnah , rather they should use the Bible , if that is not your aim, please say it loud and tell us what is your aim in this discussion, if on the other hand your intention is to prove that the Quraan and Hadeeth are not the word of Allah, separating the Hadeeth from the Quraan, as Allah Said about your folks " Yufarriquuna beyna Allah wa Rusulih " they separate the Messnegers of Allah from Allah, then clealy say so. Stop beating around the bush. If you answer this with your usual wishy washy answers, the last drop of respect you had with the audience is out of window. Nur

Warsame The Verse from Suurah Al Jaathiyah that you have misquoted is translated as follows: 6. These are the portents of Allah which We recite unto thee (Muhammad) with truth. Then in what Hadeeth, after Allah and His portents, will they believe ? First let us read the whole context of the verses before I explain to you the meaning of Hadeeth: Verses 7 through 11 address people like you, let us see what Allah SWT says about you: 7 Woe unto each sinful liar, 8 Who heareth the revelations of Allah recited unto him, and then continueth in pride as though he heard them not. Give him tidings of a painful doom. 9 And when he knoweth aught of Our revelations he maketh it a jest. For such there is a shameful doom. 10 Beyond them there is hell, and that which they have earned will naught avail them, nor those whom they have chosen for protecting friends beside Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. 11 This is guidance. And those who disbelieve the revelations of their Lord, for them there is a painful doom of wrath. Warsame The word Hadeeth in Arabic ( I wrote a whole article on SOL ) is a word whose meaning is dependent on the context in which it addresses: Here, Hadeeth means news and commandments from Allah SWT, of which the very Messneger Muhammad SAWS brought His portents and proofs in action and words known as al Hadeeth al Nabawy al Shareef, because Muhammad SAWS was the conveyor of the message of Allah SWT, the people addressed with the above verses were polytheists like you, who ascribed chiuldren to Allah SWT, who believed the only way to get close to Allah is through his daughters, Laatta, Cuzza and Manaat, same like the way you belive that God is made of three Gods, God the Father, God The son and God the Holy Spirit, yet you believe that its a miracle that these three are still one God, who died on the Cross, But Quresih did not believe that God died for three days like you do, they believed that all other Gods on earth are infrior ,so in time of trouble they sought the God in heaven only, which God of the three Gods do you seek Warsame?. The Quraan highlights the importance of the Hadeeth as follws: 1 . His instructions ( Hadeeth) must be obeyed, in addition to the instructions of Allah ( Quraan) " Ateecu Allaha wa ateecu Arrasuula" U hogaansama Allah una hogaansama Rasuulka" Obey Allah and Obey The Messenger " Obedience means to obey him on all of his instructions to Muslims which were collectively compiled and categorized with great accuracy and known as the Hadeeth which is a practical interpretation of the Quraan, and also a form of waxy from Allah SWT which is far superior that the collection of stories by Paul and company who invented a new religion based on Polytheism mascquarading as a monotheist religion. 2. Refusal to Obey Hadeeth, in which the Messenger instructed to do something or farbade something can make a pesron a Kaafir, and a target for Allah's punsihment . " Fal yaxdarilladiina yukhaalifuuna can amrihi an yusiibahum fitnatun aw cadhaabun aliim" Ha iska jiraan kuwa diiday amarkiisa ( Rasuulka), iney fitno ku dhacdo ( Gaalnimo, sida tan adiga kugu dhacday), ama cadaab xanuun badan ( oom ku sugesys haddaad soo laaban wesyo ) 3. Even iimaan is conditional to accept the judgement of the Messneger Muhammad SAWS, and complete compliance and after judgememt, sumbmission to the judgmement and satisfaction . " Fa in tanaazactum fii shey in fa rudduuh ilaa Allah wa ilaa al rasuul" Markaad isku qabataan arrin, garta ugu taga Allah ( Kitaabka Quraanka ) iyo Rasuulka ( Hadeethka) And in case you dispute in a matter between you, then refer to Allah ( judgememts in Quraan ) and to the Messenger ( judgements in Hadeeth)" " Falaa wa rabbik laa yuminoon, xataa yuxakkimuuka fiimaa beynahum, thumma laa yajiduu fii anfusihim xarajan mimmaa qadeyta, wa yusallimuu tasliimaa" Nay, by your Lord o Muhammad, they will not be true believers up until they appoint you as their judge for their disputes gracelfully without any dissatisfactin, and obey your judgement after you decree a judgement ." 4. All of the Messengers instructions and prohibitions must be taken as Law. " Wa maa aataakum Al Rasuulu fa khuduuh, wa maa nahaakum canhu fantahuu" Wuxuu Rasuulku idiin keenay qaata, wuxuu idinka reebayna ka hadha" Follow (teachings ) brought to you by the Messenger of Allah SWT, and refrain (Prohibitions) he forbade that you do . 5. The hadeeth is none but a complementary instruction with Quraan. " Wa maa yantiqu canil hawaa, in huwa illaa huwaa illaa waxyun yuuxaa" Kamana hadlo Rasuulka hawadiisa, ( wuxuu ku hadlo waa waxyi loo waxyooday" It is not out of personal opinion that the Messenger talks about, its a revelation that is revealed to him . Now, Warsame, You seem to have a definite purpose of concealing truth knowingly, selectively using verses out of context, to prove one thing, that Muslims should not follow the Quraan and Sunnah , rather they should use the Bible , if that is not your aim, please say it loud and tell us what is your aim in this discussion, if on the other hand your intention is to prove that the Quraan and Hadeeth are not the word of Allah, separating the Hadeeth from the Quraan, as Allah Said about your folks " Yufarriquuna beyna Allah wa Rusulih " they separate the Messnegers of Allah from Allah, then clealy say so. Stop beating around the bush. If you answer this with your usual wishy washy answers, the last drop of respect you had with the audience is out of window. Nur

I am reposting this thread dialogue for Hamza Yussuf posted by S.Lander, who wanted to know about Sufism regarding the Hamza Yususf discussion thread. The awakener, my discussion partner an excellent debator and myself delve into the Sufi world and thinking, here are some food for thought. enjoy Nur

Geljireyaal ( Nomads) I have not forgotten about my promise to you, my hands are filled to the rim at present, please forgive me for not posting the articles that i have worked on in the list as of yet, I have eight more topics remaining , inshAllah , I will focus to finish them soon time permitting , so come back and visit us even if you have to go for vacation this summer to see your Grandma in Togdheer, Shilaabo, Garasbaalley, or Kurtunwaarrey metropolitan areas. i-Nuri and company are globally accessible through Somaliaonline, the only Organization patiently serving Somali Nomadic peoples throughout the Wide World Of Walwal, Waalli and Walbahaar. Nur

Warsame I asked you to explain this question: Please let us focus here and forget about all other issues for now . You said Jesus was FULLY GOD JESUS WAS FULLY HUMAN JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH You Also said and i quote you: we believe that God is NOT the Messiah Also explain which part of JESUS DIED iF he was fully God and Human at the same time. Wishing you luck Nur [/QB] You answered: The incarnated Word of God died on the cross an atoning death. Death is simply separating the spirit from the body. No human can kill our spirits but the body alone . This should not be a difficult concept for you to accept because Islam agrees with our Scriptures which bear witness to that. Warsame I will give you the benefit of the doubt, may be your comprehension is not good, let me simplify the question again for you As You Have Claimed Before: If Jesus was FULLY HUMAN IF Jesus was FULLY GOD Then: If Jesus Died, Which One Died on the cross? Two Possibilites: Either God Died ( Subxaanah). It follows Then that Jesus also Died since he was FULLY GOD. This leads to another question: So, at death ( Separation) Do you claim that Jesus who was ONE ENTITY became Separated into TWO Separate Distinct Entities ? Entity One:God and Entity Two: Human, where God, Entity One took the life of Jesus Entity TWO, the Human, who in essence was Him FULLY? Or are are you saying, in a cleverly resourceful way ( You seem to learn things in islam to use against Islam) that Jesus was the word, KUN, so the word was Holly by default? If That is the case then: Allah said KUN to everything he created, so does that make all his words of KUN to which he said to all creatures including the Fire of Abraham , Divine? Lastly, you say, that God Is Not the Messiah OK Therefore, Was Jesus the Messiah? If you answer Yes: Then, As you said before, if he was FULLY GOD , then, He was NOT the Messiah. If you answer That Jesus WAS NOT THE MESSIAH Then. Then, Who was the Messiah? If you answer that he was concurrently and inclussively both God and Human at the same time, thus he can wear any hat he wish any time, please explain this in detail from Jesus words ONLY, I am sure that Jesus intention was not to confuse people if he indeed came for theo9r salvation. Note: you wrote ( qareeb ) to be the Standard Arabic. WRONG! Qareeb with qaaf means something that is close ( Wax dhow . While Ghareeb in Standard Arabic means ( Stranger ) , this first attempt to project that you know Arabic Language is very misleading, and very malicious to use it to mislead people from the worship of Allah to the worship of others than Allah SWT. Also you wrote that First of all, it is not the Nicene Creed that is inline with the Qur’an as you claim but it is the Qur’an that is inline with the Nicene Creed (A.D. 325). Do you see this logic? Because the Nicene Creed is much older than the Qur’an ! I quoted the portion of the Nicene Creed that applied to the topic in question. The issue we were talking about was that we Christians do not believe in three gods as you alleged, Warsame let us read the creed again, to see how many separate gods you have in practice no matter how many you say you believe: The Nicene Creed We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible . And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end. And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come . Amen. Warsame Now explain to us the following issues in the Nicene Creed: 1. The creed says it confirms belief in ONE God, but not ONLY God . ONE is Different than ONLY.( Clever wording to mislead people from the path of Allah SWT .) 2. Creed refers to God as the father, and to another as God the Sonr, and yet a third one as God the Holy spirit, three distict Gods, how can they still be one? Please explain the meaning of the word AND in any language, does it mean inclusiveness, or exclusiveness? knowing that these three entities are bound by the word AND 3. The Creed says that Jesus is begotten which means he was not eternal, he was also not made. ( CONFLICTING STATEMENTS ) few pragagraphs down again it said and was made man by Holy spirit , My humble question is how can it say he was not made on one hand, and he is made on other? 4. The Holy Spirit is the giver of life, and together with the Father and the Son, these three are worshipped together.? How are they worshiped together if they are the same thing? Warsame, for the last and Final time, if you are indeed a man of faith, any faith, be honest to yourself, answer each and every question to the point not more not less, if you do not understand the answer bravely say so, but do not be slippery to catch, I have caught live fish at the bottom of the see with my bare hands, holding you to your words proved to be more slippery than thes fish. Nur