Hade, what else are you looking for? We said beating is good for neither the morale nor the health of the woman.if the goal is saving the marriage then, it obviously doesnt work. You agreed that beating isnt the answer.

getting a farah to give u gift and pay for dinner... someone tell her shes dreaming Ma cunto iyo gift baad ka qaylinee? Why would I be dreaming? Thats the least a husband can give his wife. Adam, I know a woman who was sent to the Bahamas to "relax" when she got pregnant. I know another one who received a diomond necklace and a lexus when she had her first baby. Thank God, the brothers are stepping up! :cool:

Yes there are a lot of homogenous societies especially where religion is concerned no one challenges or questions arbitrary rules. And when I say homogenous I don't mean 100 % I mean 95 % and the other 5 % are seen as the 'others' and don't 'express ideas freely' for fear of further exclusion. I grew up in such a community where only black in white is seen just like you except that you are on the opposite side. I disagree with you on this hun. Somalis look homogenous but they arent. Yes, religion is not questioned but certain religious aspects is not well received either. For instance, the issue of polygamy and wife beating is few and far between unless we are talking about specific regions. Taleex CH: Are you speaking from experience? I'm just a pragmatist and an observer who just likes analyzing human behavior in his habitat. I've never hurt women, emotionally perhaps, but for sure not physically and that will be a tradition I will have to honor many more years to come...... No, I am not speaking from experience. Trust me. Mideeda kale, you didnt speak like a pragmatist, you spoke like someone who has no issue with a slap every now and then. Analyzing human behavior doesnt warrant you to act like cultural relatavist. And I repeat the door is open because I believe in divorce if two people can't make it work. No need for violence. Geeljire, When it comes to violence, yes it is black and white for me. Horta, with this whole "dont-break-a bone-or-leave-a bruise-thing, whats the goal? Isnt the goal discipline? Isnt the goal for the wife to be afraid of her husband? Like children? Tell me what kind of a marriage is one where one partner is afraid of the other? Juxa, If you read my responses you would see that I said some are caught in a cycle.But getting caught up in a cyle isnt the same thing as accepting it as fate and blindly obliging to the looney sexist men out there. Sayid, I hate it when a whole group of people are treated like victims. As if they're bunch morons with little control over their lives. And yes, they should take kickboxing and beat the crap out of anyone who raises his hand If we are talking about domestic violence in total isolation then I would agree with you (even though you're a woman ). But this is about a ruling from a high court in an Islamic country. It should be of interest to you because of the involvement of the law, because you are female and because you are Muslim. Walk away ma jirto. P.S. Sayid, Dee ma been ban sheegay? Maaddeey is calling them children and they prove his point by breaking up into angry individuals who threaten any man that dare touch them with death and hospitalisation yet let their own gender down by making excuses or brainwashing and what not. As for your point, that is how I understand it too. Not sure why the court made a precedent of it though. P.P.S Juxa, I have another (and different) story from Saudi that may be right up your street (Car say walk away ). NG, I dont get you. Meesha ma waxaad sugaysaa a full blown case by case with full saxiis hadiths argument? I deliberately ignored Maadeey's comment because I have no interest in engaging someone like him. The high court you speak of has no bearing on how I live my life and it should have no bearing on any free woman. I say free because the women they issued the ruling for arent free if they HAVE to be beaten as the law of the land states.

Ninku ma ku dhalin ee wuu ku qabaa, hadduu dhirbaaxo yar dabada kaaga dhufto adigana wax kuma yeelin isna inuu wax edbiyey buu u haystaa ee maad suuraha iyo isxawaashaynta naga deysid. :eek: :eek: :eek: Maybe where you come from, slapping your wife on her backside makes you feel manly but if thats what a man needs to be a man, then his masculinity is in question. Maybe he will feel better after he has a throwdown with the same sex? There is no suuro on my part. Dharbaaxaa sheegtay, he is not even allowed to raise his voice. Maxaa meesha is edbin keenay? If you dont like edebtayda, the door is open. Maybe he will find a woman who lets him beat her unconcious just to feel manly.

LOL! I guess people are burdened by life so they don't have time for themselves anymore. But I second the gym, anniversary dinners(only if it is accompanied by gifts) and having a life outside your spouse.

On the issue of acceptance how can you choose when you don't know if they are other options?You can't reject something if you don't know better and if it is accepted by every one around you. To sum it up it is a "everyone I know lives like this and says that this is the right so this most be the only way" kind of thinking. I know that you're playing the devil's advocate so to speak. But where in the world does such hemogenous thinking exist? Even in cults,opposing views exist though they might not get expressed freely. I doubt that there is a socity or a culture out there so secluded that that they are unawere of other options. Even within such society there has got to be some variations. Taleexi, The question is maxaa la ii idbin? Ninka ma asagaa i dhalay? So anigo qof weeyn ah oo aduunka meel ka marayo ima arkin? :rolleyes:

I'm not surprised. And just like I don't feel sorry for cult followers, warlord supporters and the likes, I don't feel sorry for naag weeyn oo intay is dhaadhaantey hadana accepted that nin xun ooy shalay baratay has the right to beat her. You can still find yourself in an abusive relationship, in a f-ed up society(like Saudis) that promotes violence against women or you can even come from an abusive home and feel like you have no way out, but the minute you accept it as a right of a husband, then you deserve all you get and some more.

C&H like you said your argument is very simplistic and uni dimensional. You can afford to speak like this because you know better but have ever seen women who believe 'ilaahey baa u baneeyay'. Once someone told me 'Nabiga (pbuh) yaaba xaaasaskiisa garaaci jiray'. Of course she did know enough about the suna to know that the prophet never did such a thing and even condemned it. Like I sad before, I am not knowledgeable enough to go far into the religious aspect of this but I know that a women has the right to speak up, fight back and get out of a harmful relationship. I would say that you take a closer look and while you thank God for knowing better you should have some understanding and compassion for those who don't. Ya Rab! I hate this "conditioned response" B.S theory :eek: . Yes culture and religion has impact on one's perspective in life. But there is also logic and common sense. :confused: Before you even buy into whats allowed and whats not allowed, shouldnt you ask yourself if the action in question benefits you or harms you? In this instance, beating is in question. Then shouldnt one use his or her brain to ask the purpose of diinta? Is the purpose of diinta to subjugate one group to another? Is the purpose of diinta to endanger one's well being emotionally or physically? The answer is no. Then how can you accept from anyone that you as a human being, as a grown up should allow someone to beat you into submission? Anyone who is satisfied with just hearing from another being whats allowed in our religion and acting accordinly is a moron therefore, I dont feel sorry for them. If something sounds fishy or go against my human instinct, the least I'd do is ask more questions, follow up, find a second interpretation instead of blindly accepting it as the only truth.

If I were a lawyer selling a counter argument, will I have to argue from the point of view of Sharia or common sense? And you do know where I stand on issue sharia wise.

LOL! Yes, it is shockingly that simple.But I think you're confusing the abuse with the acceptance. I am not saying it is simple to leave an abusive relationship. Sometimes circumstances won't allow you to jump ship. But what I'm disgusted by is the fact that some women ACCEPT the fact not only will they be beaten BUT that GOD gave another human being the RIGHT to beat them! And to that I say, mac sokor! If you're that big of an *****, if you truly think a man has a right to beat you then you should be beaten day and night.

I know. Weren't they the very same people who used to bury their daughters alive? It just shows you that culture is sometimes stronger than religion.

Common to a functioning brain. Beating= Hurt& Humiliation You shouldnt be with someone who hurts you and humiliates you.THE END!

Afternoon JB. The whole nonesense about beating one's wife is mind boggling to me.

Good morning/afternoon peepz.

C&H millions of sane women are brainwashed into believing and taking this *********. Since many of this women have no religious or secular education men quote the Scriptures to make it sound like it is actually an obligation to do things like this. Unfortunately domestic violence happens to women every where every day. And to illustrate that it is not just about the difference in physical strength the man sleeps in the same room after beating up his wife and eating the food she cooked. They could do something if they wanted to, right? How do warm blooded human beings become so subservient? Go figure adiga ! You know what sweety. I am sick and tired of hearing women baa la brainwash gareeyey. If common sense doesnt tell you no one should put their hands on you in order to "reserve" marriage, then you f-ing deserve to be beaten for every reason under the sun. It boils my blood.

No sane person can ever accept such barbaric ruling. A wife is not your child. She is a grown, intelligent, mature woman who is responsible for raising children. So why the F would someone "decipline" another grown person? A man touches me and he will never use that hand again. Uff!

Yeah, Minnesota is the place for small bussinesses.

Disgusting! But not as disgusting as that icky show on TLC. Three women share a "husband" and he falls in love with the fourth woman. The women smile for the camera but they all look grief stricken. At some point they all agree that their "husband" deserves and "eye cany!!! WTF???? How low does your self esteem need to be to think that your "husband" deserves a prettier woman? Retards! Some women disgust me.

Haa Aaliya sidaan maa keentay? 28 years my behind! Even if I was married for 50 years and I find out, in front of the world mind you,that my husband is a lying cheat, I'd make him pay. The least she could do was wait until he gets out; if nothing else, the sheer joy of seeing him blink and wet himself when he realizes that he got busted on national T.V would make the break up easier. Gurigeey sii aaday while the other woman had the guts to kiss and hug her husband on T.V? ***** iga dheh!

LOL@fadeexad la soo daristay. So the wife got mad and went home? Ala aniga maa ahaado? I would make him wish he was still under the earth?

Juxa, everything is good alxamdulilah!

Hello my lovelies!! Oh how I missed SOL! I'm full of energy today.

The only mistake I see here is the location: since it is interfaith prayer, it didnt need to take place in a Church. Other yappings, it is stuff and nonesense.

Your best plan is ignore him and pretend that he died in a horrible accident that decapitated him, burned his remains and left his ashes behind.

LOL@since walking into my wedding. Do you know that public speaking(or reciting in this case)is the number one fear(more than death)? Well done.