Lots of good points. Islam may not condone rape but it can easily be interpreted in the other direction, for example: "If a man invites his wife to sleep with him and she refuses, then the angels send their curses on her till morning" Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, No. 121-2 "When a man sends for his wife for the satisfaction of his need, she should go to him even if she may be occupied in baking bread." Tirmidhi and Nisai, No. 284 First of all, I don’t know how you can exact rape from the word “should” and “curse.” It doesn’t exactly say he should tower over her, slap her a couple of times and take her by force now does it? And you’re right, it can be interpreted that way by someone with someone like you who already decided it to be “inhumane” treatment. I think having a religious authority in a governmental position is a wrong step because of this ease of misinterpreting scripture and because people will believe whatever puts them in a better position. Hmm…I disagree with your first statement for two reasons: a) it’s discriminatory in nature. Are you saying if you’re a practicing Muslim man(I only said man because you seem to think women will not have religious authority)should be denied a government position? Isn’t that itself a discrimination by religion? B) Why are you assuming the masses are ignorant of their religion? As you know, in Islam everyone is required to seek knowledge. Unlike other religions, we don’t have priests that are a go-between God and us. Check this out regarding the proper "punishment" of your wife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl8g8S6F3do and this one at a Friday sermon: ... Imagine if that guy was the Minister of Religious Affairs in a Shariah country? You’re playing the “if I see it, then it must be true” game here. You certainly can debate better than this. Personal opinions and interpretations are not of importance. OK, will continue later, it's getting late... night night

Juxa, This is the year aan is xoreyn doono. I shall knock on your door(first you have to give me the address) soon.

1955's The Good Wife’s Guide 1. Have dinner ready. Plan ahead even the night before, to have delicious meal ready, on time for his return. This is a way to let him know that you’ve been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospect of a good meal (especially his favorite dish) is part of the warm welcome needed. 2. Prepare your self. Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup. Put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. 3. Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him. His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it. 4. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main parts of the house just before your husband arrives. 5. Gather up school books, toys, paper etc. then run a dust clothe over the tables. 6. Over the cooler months of the year you should prepare and light a fire for him to unwind by. Your husband will feel he reached a haven of rest and order and it will give you a lift too. After all catering for his comfort will provide you immense personal satisfaction . 7. Prepare the children. Take a few minutes to wash the children’s hands and faces (if they are small), comb their hair, and if necessary change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them the play part. Minimize all noise. At the time of his arrival eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. 8. Be happy to see him. 9. Greet him with a warm smile and show sincerity in your desire to please him 10. Listen to him. You may have a dozen more important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first-remember- his topics of conversation are more important than yours. 11. Make the evening his. Never complain if he comes home late or goes out to dinner or other places of entertainment without you. Instead try to understand his world of strain and pressure and his very real need to be at home and relax. 12. Your goal: try to make sure your home is a place of peace, order and tranquility where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit. 13. Don’t greet him with complaints and problems. 14. Don’t complain if he is late home for dinner, or even if he stays out all night. Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through that day. 15. Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or have him lay down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. 16. Arrange his pillows and offer to take off his shoes for him. Speak in a low, soothing and a pleasant voice. 17. Don’t ask him questions about his actions or question his judgment or integrity- Remember- he is the Master of the house and as such will always exercise his will fairness and truthfulness. You have no right to question him . 18. A good wife always knows her place. My favs are the ones in the bold .

Morning Folks. Faheema get better. Must you girls advertise everytime you have one of those get together*turns green with envy*! Sheesh!

From what I see(the sad pic and Oh the persistance)you're doing Great! Others have tried without much success to court our lovely 5, but no worries. If anyone can, its you bro!

Hi chocolate & honey, when I say modern I mean lack of stonings, whippings, hand-choppings, women getting 1/2 the inheritance, wives being obligated to satisfy husbands' sexual needs even if she doesn't want to, four-witness rape cases... etc. etc. It is interesting that you said "if that's what the society wants, so be it"! And then quickly added "I doubt," meaning you dont trust that they CAN make that choice under the assumption that they're oppressed? Ehem... except the part where you stated that women are forced to satisfy their husband's sexual needs(which is an utter rubish because force is rape and Islam doesnt condone rape), most of what you consider ancient are effective laws(beats the hell out of sticking one in a hospital for sodomizing his son) passed to protect society's interests in here and the hereafter. See just like the Electric Chair and life without parole in four walls, stoning(while I dont defend it at the moment for the lack of an appointed Imamul Umma and unity)and rape witneses(which by the way can now easily be satisfied by producing DNA and other physical evidence ) are in place to protect people from predators and people with no regards to the rules. One could easily point out 1,000 things(hyperbole ) wrong with the current Justice System in place in many countries that are now the object of some people's envy.

and when is the turn of Muslims nations to wake up and reform their religion up to modern standards? First of all, welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy your stay. All opinions are welcome here. Second, you lost me here. You seem to think that the Sharia Law is not upto "modern" standards. I'm waiting for your response to the previous poster's answers.

Why not stick to those who might value your forefather's despicable tradition of courting married woman. :eek: :eek: **************edited*********. This thread is not about qabiil x or y, and the fact you've stooped that low to insult a whole clan in a single breath tells me you DONT have the creditials to shame anyone :eek: Mida kale go read the whole thread, the girl you think u defending has done a superb job of defending herself, so no need to insult on her behalf. Duke and other gentlemen on this forum: This has gone far. Ibti is our sister. No need to reduce her to booty iyo wax daran. All joking aside, you could've just asked for a girl from the North. You didnt have to single her out. So plz, let it die down. [ January 13, 2010, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Wow! I have seen a mother and daughter workout together. YH. Hodman, get on it.

LOL! No worries. I got back on the horse so to speak.

OK?Umm...do you want me to dig up other posts? From my understanding, the Yemeni guy's article is talking about a whole alot of nonesense and he doesnt take on the Burka issue per se. Q? Do you differentiate the Hijab from Burka or is it all the same to you? So you believe it is Un Islamic( which prompts me to humbly ask, are we arguing on the basis of the Sharia Law?). If so, educate me on how you came to this conclusion. A simple Hadith(one that specifies what exactly covering up means) would do. And because I know you don’t want to go this route, lets go the “democracy” route. Lets say this boils down to individual freedom. On the issue of is what’s considered “outdated,” who decides? The community that perpetuates the “outdated” practices or the self-proclaimed world police such as the West? This crucial question inevitably brings me to the ELEPHANT in the room so to speak which is the freedom to choose. You’re operating under the assumption that women are forced to wear the Burka(and some are undeniably but most in the West,which is your target group, arent) and as soon as they’re “empowered” by education and limitless freedom, they’ll give up their Burkas. But what if(I know, I know, I know you can’t imagine such horror) they choose to wear it? For instance, what about the educated, ambitious, career woman who wears the Burka say in Miami? First assumption is out of the window, what now? Are you willing to choose for her? Aren’t you being a hypocrite by deciding her attire for her just like the mad groups such as Shabaab who are clubbing women on the head for not wearing it? How are you different? On my other points, the “hideousness” of the Burka, the inconvenience of it, and the issue of taste is relatively personal so I can’t see why you would’ve an issue with that. I’m assuming that you don’t have an issue with women parading around nearly naked in that underwear called “Bikini” as it is their choice, now do you?

To LG, I, for one, am having difficulty taking you serious because for one you’ve exhausted this topic without contributing anything of merit to the topic really. There are several aspects of this “controversial” issue and you seem to be focused on the nonissue really which is WHO(in your mind) is making women wear Burka. I want you to clarify few things(if you’re interested in genuine debate). What is your objection based on? A) You believe it is Un Islamic or B) You believe it is outdated regardless of its legality or C) You believe women who wear it are oppressed by men; therefore, it is a matter of the freedom to choose(which would be ironic because what if women choose the Burka as they do?) or/and D) You believe it’s inconvenient in today’s modern, fast-paced world or E) You believe “others” look down upon women who wear it and you’re distancing yourself from it or/and F) It is just plain “Hideous” as you’ve referenced it before. Also, are you arguing it should be banned in the West or worldwide? To CIC, A muslim woman in Greece or Germany does not have to wear this hideous form of hijab. That's a truism. Liberal democracies have at their core the principle of freedom of conscience and religion. What befuddles me is why faith-heads become giddy when the patently obvious is mentioned? OH My you really went all out with correct grammar, spelling and even used such warm and fuzzy words like “Truism,” Liberal Democracies(wow! Liberal AND Democracy? My head is swimming!), “freedom,” and “faith-heads”(Ok. Wow! I mean this kind of English… surely, you’ve done your Liberal English teacher proud). At the core of this debate is this trifling thing called ehem… freedom of choice(I know, I know you only understand it when the Western Media uses it but bear with me ok?). A Muslim woman in Europe or America doesn’t have to wear the Hijab but they choose to. See, it as simple as that. My comment about general illiteracy - perhaps even mental infirmity - was meant to highlight the plight of muslim women in the West: mental servility. The only solution to that problem is education and empowerment. Oh poor “illiterate Muslim women,” forever chained to their "backwarded" principles! I mean they cant even fathom what “Freedom” and “personal choice” mean. I mean how dare they choose Hijab after all the West has given them, right? :mad: Although no one holds a gun to her head, a burka-binded woman in the West feels that she needs to conform with the desert dogma of her parents and relatives. Yes, she freely chooses to don this dreadful, demeaning attire because she operates under the delusion that God, who apparently only whispers in the ears of men, requires this of her. To be sure, it's an effective form of disenfranchisement. What better way to shear away the autonomy and freedom of women than to appeal to the heavens. I cant help but laugh at “desert dogma.” And whereas God is concerned, I’ll leave you with this: There is nothing more dangerous than a fool armed with limited knowledge. You don’t have the foggiest idea of what you’re talking about. Warning: too much television kills brain cells.

She is a copycat at best! She must've copied right out of 1950's Housekeeping and Glamour issues. So unorginal. "Dont question him" kulahaa sheekoy ku nacay.

Morning my folks!

I was worried for no apparent reason! After all,there are obviously some matchs made in ehem..err..heaven. We have a man looking for a woman who cooks and cleans(doesnt really care whateva else she brings to the table)and a girl wanting to stay home and cook.Do I smell a wedding?

LMFO!! You're an anemy amongst parents!

Poor you!! How did you do it? Even I couldnt stand such talk. The most I can tolerate is 2minutes(how is the baby, sick ilahay ha caafiyo. Healthy mashallah. Whatelse?), then the mom or mom to be must immidietly change the baby-talk or I bolt. I hope I dont become one of those people.

Choc she said she works now and plans to save for a rainy day...it's not grocery money Unless she wins the lottery, whatever she saves wont be enough should the man of the house bolts with his money

Gabareey, you certainly have the right to choose how you run your household. I think the problem is you painting a negative picture about moms who put their kids in day care and the shock and horror of hungry men coming home with no food “on the table.” You too are making a lot of assumptions: First, you’re assuming you’ll find a man who makes enough for you and little ones. In many marriages, this is not the case. To be even considered a middle-class(which is not much by the way) you need two incomes 90% of the time. 2nd : you are assuming if Plan A fails(a husband who makes enough money), you will work from home or you will find a job that allows you to leave after kids go to school and come home before they come home, accommodating your personal preference. You might not find such job. What then? 3rd: And this is your biggest assumption, you think working mom’s aren’t good nurturers? Whatever gave you such idea? What about your husband? Doesn’t he have responsibility other than putting food on the table? And are you kidding about child molestation? Kids can get molested anywhere, the school, local dugsi, at home, etc. But what really bugs me about this post is the fact that you reduced to women to a child-bearing factory: nothing more. There is something satisfying and fulfilling about pulling your own weight and contributing to society. And did you say you will count on your family and (a bit of saving you collected from your grocery money am assuming) God forbid, should the money-making man opt to leave you and your children? God, how naïve are you? :confused:

I need someone to set me straight! I took a short break after getting sick. But now I dont want to work-out.

Morning Folks. Does your healthcare pay for your messages? Here it is a luxury. Thats it I'm moving to UK(not)!

Faheema join us at the Fitness Freaks section and tell us your plan. We're trying to inspire each other. Have you joined a gym yet?

That’s it....if SHE THAT can get married then dear ladies and gentleman there is hope for all the human race. My we all find blind man equally as he. amiiin You voiced what I felt. 2+2, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl. They're either care free or they want to distract you from the extra baruur.

Or perhaps your intelligence hasnt caught up with your typing skills. tsk tsk...

You were curious about low carb eating; is it do with weight loss or something else? You can't stick with how you eat and incorporate my tips. You will become sick or your metabolism will slow down. It's either lower carb or lower fat. I want to do Low-Carb. I am thinking about purchasing the SouthBeach Diet book as I read it is less restrictive than Atkins. It's just like Atkins. Can you tell me what you ate, say for a day when you were at 50gr carb? And yh, it is for weight loss. I have about 5-10lbs to lose in order to see a real definition in my abs.