Abu-Geeljire, when you say 'their narrow Islamic understanding' what do you mean? care to explain further? For people who seem to get their daily dose of news from web portals, foreign news sources or propagandist Somali websites, you seem to know a lot of information regarding Al-Shabaab - most of it misleading. One of the prerequsites of engaging in such debates is being strongly equipped with the facts/understanding of the issues/parties in question and their ideologies before embarking - not many here are equipped with any such facts, yet every simpleton wants his view heard.

^^ The Tigray *******s are welcome throughout Somalia sxb! A rapist is a Rapist is a Rapist! He is Ignoble in every sense of the word, who dares call him noble? Goblan tala aduunyooy, hadey dad sharafleh soo diri lahaayeenba wax dhan bey ahaan lahayd oo geed waa lala fariisan kari lahaa, ha lays af garan waayeeba. Ayaandarrose ergo guni hogaaminaysey noo soo direen, Gob iyo gunina geed ma wada fariistaan!

Allaylehe Dad badan buu dhaamaa. Though it would have been far more convenient if he got off and prayed outside, as JB mentioned.

Loooool Urban iyo Ngonge, war Geela hanooga ciyaarina, weligiin ha dhaqanina e. Faarax-B - Waa gartii hadde, Good iyo Soohan baanu dhaqan, caanohoodana waanu dhamin. G-Jireow, Waa kan Geeleenu. Kan Carabtee madmadow oo casiirka ka dhergey miyaa dhaama? Sinji adag haddii aanu lahayn, sool ma dhacarteene Soomaalida habeeddiyo kolkay, suuddu ku ekaato Sanqaraar udgoonow haddii, salowgu kuu yeero Soddon mayl markuu kuu jiraad, saxansaxootaaye Sabaad iyo wuxuu kuu noqdaa, cadarka Soodaane Sacabbada nadiifka ah kolkii, lagu salaaxaayo Samsam baa ka soo duula iyo, caano saa'id ahe Sucsuc iyo karuur iyo dhanaan, sabarka kuu buuxsha Sulux dhay ah iyo xoor ku siman, Seenyoy adigaa leh Lama siisan karo xoolo kale, sidigta Dhaameele Waxba yaan surweel midab leh iyo, saacad lay xirane Sicirka dunida geeleenu waa, ugu sarreeyaaye Soomaaligii diidayow, waad silloon tahaye! Waa muruq adoonlow ritiga, madaxa waaweyne Murjinse lagama yeelin ee cididan, laysku wada maaray Mudka iyo sakaarka iska baxay, maylinada hooray Malkada lawga kuruskan mudha ah, maydhaq iyo duudka Margiga taagan luqunta kolkuu, maagga fidinaayo Isha madow dibnaha loo melmelay, dhegaha loo miiqay Melmasaalka loo uumay ayaan, magane yaabayaaye Moohaarse ma qaadeen cagtoon, mar u balaadhnayne Intaas oo macnuu leeyahay, ood maanta caasidaye Mar hadaanad daar iyo lahayn doonni iyo Moodhar Oo dheef Ilaah kuugu daray waxan dareeraaya Waa kuu dan li'i raacisteed waxad ku diiddaaye! Magaca Geel-Jire ah maanta ka dib waa in lagaa wareejiyaa bey ila tahay!

Originally posted by Geel_jire: ^ sxb Geela somalida mid tartan qurux ka qayb geli karo maho .......... waa kuwa loo isticmaalo rar oo dhul abaareed ku nool oo sidii dacay loogu jiidayay faruur la moodo. Geel Jire, ra'yigaagu uma qalmo magacaaga. Sicirka ugu qwaalisan inuu yahay ma ogid miyaa Geeleenu? War carabtu geelooda way fuulaan, annagaaba sharafnayoo rarana keliya weliba baarku cirka gaarey.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: ^^ Laba Xiin, before you are taken seriously in the political face-offs, you'll need to spend enough time here to be noticed. ^^I see it's a case of seeking fame for you. Bal aan kaa jahli-bixiyee ii dhega-nuglaw. You see, the essential element of an argument or debate is that is brings out a motivated exploration of a subject. People exchange ideas and opinions, laying everything on the table and from there on proceeding to sift through the ideas presented. But it is the very staunch opinions and presumption of most secessionists that inhibit explorations. So instead of discussing the subject at hand, most of your time is consumed by the win/lose factor of the conversation; on attack and defence rather than contributing anything even remotely constructive to the table. Such is your stance, Sultan! Dislodge this from your mind and you may benefit from the fruitful voyage of education. A secessionist is always on the defence, simply because of his impalpable ideas which he, in hindsight, knows will never materialize. Astounding it is the certainty with which many secessionists speak of Sool and Sanaag as being part and parcel of Somaliland alleging legitimacy to land; and astounded they become once their ornamental tales of secession and metaphorical outlook becomes dwarfed by the natives’ demands, how implicit, of a strong national unity. Their ideas and dreams of secession, now impoverished, lie dangling on one thing; hope and of course the incessant imploring of Westerners by piling on the agony of the late 80s, which they paid back in no less equal measure, dare I say. Looking at a map, my friends, is not the same as travelling. One may forever be left to contemplate the appealing towns and cities in exaggerated thrill, knowing that he will never venture out to them due to his meagre resources. Secessionism has no solid grounds!

^Isseh, Disregard the Suldaan's comments. When it comes to the faculty of reason and logic, he is endowed with but little. His incompetently loquacious friend, and amateur historian, fares slightly better, though his inability to articulate lets him down and all his and his adminstration's talks of laying claim on Sool and Sanaag is but a fervet hubris...

War ninyohow soo daa su'aasha! There seems to be something sinister about it! Soo daa heedhe!

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: Never mind ....... edited Haha! JB come sxb! what was that? I want to know... As for Ethiopian Soldiers coming to Bosaaso, yaa waxaa iddinku sheekayey? Lacalla hadey damcaanba iney soo booqdaan Bosaaso yaa u diidaya? Ma niman ku abtirsada Tigray Maxamuud baa Bosaaso loo diidayaa?

Originally posted by General Duke: Politics should be above clan. Well Said! So you support His Majesty, The Liverless One purely for political reasons?

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: ^ didn't bother to read all that nonsense but i agree with everything you said Dear Oodweyne, Despite the inconsistency of your excessive verbiage, your inability to articulate your opinions coherently and with a clear sentence structure is still letting you down. Your sentences, if one can call them that, are largely made up of decoratives, and, regrettably, that’s all there’s to them. The have no substance as Baashi would say! Your too profligate, Adeer, even in your ‘side-ways contemptible glance’. The thing is that’s how you and your Administration see your surroundings – colourful, through your rose-tinted spectacles and earnestly extending the Dowlisyo of your shrivelled Wadaamo to the bottom of the waterless wells. All one can attribute to you is your ill-applied profligacy that bloats your psyche! Revel in it while you can, my Friend!

Just as expected, Dear Oodweyne, Just as expected. You never disappoint! Since I will add nothing new to this discussion, or anything that will penetrate your SNM-fortified skull, I shall leave you to entertain yourselves in the glorification of your kisnmen with some profligately applied gimmickery. Until we meet again Sir...

Originally posted by Al-Mu'minah: Salaamu Alaykum, That was sweet mashaAllah. I can't wait 'till I'm a mother inshaAllah, I love kids. Salaamu Calaykum Mu'minah, Why wait Abaayo? Weesada aan isku dhawranee Muxramkaaga numberkiisa ii sheeg? Malika, oo goormaad Hooyo noqotay - I didn't know that walle! Mabruuk walaal

Salaan Sare hamaan... North, A Cadaan friend working on a project with the Somali community has enquired about it. NinBrown, lol Maya ina-adeer, no secret projects at all. Jimcaale iyo Abu-Salman, the Somali Quraish isn't a myth at all guys. I am Hashimi by the way! You must be the Bani Zuhra!

Thanks a lot guys... North, the 2001 census is just about the only information the government have regarding the Somalis in UK. As for the number being no more than 100,000 it is estimated to in the range of 15-250,000, believe it or not! That's half a mil and increasing. They haven't counted every head, that adds up several other thousands. Me, the report that claims 93+ thousand is also outdated and inaccurate i think. Think about it, with 70,000 in London that leaves only 25,000 to the rest of the country. that, surely, is not right. Also, with the huge influx of Somalis from European countries, the numbers should far exceed hundred thousand. Malika, NO! haha. Aad baad u mahadsantihiin.

What are the statistics of Somalis in UK - does anyone know? Any links to ercent statistics, please let me know! The sooner the better. Thanks...

Mabruuk. Baarakallahu Laka Brother LSK. May Allah make your child a righteous one, guided by Allah onto the right path and may its end by Al-Firdow-al-Aclaa!

^Mr Bold and Beautiful is back! Must we endure another pitiless hail of impertinent remarks, ill-conceived beliefs, and soundless arguments from Sol's oaf....

I want to Poke Ibtisam and Haneefah for some weird reason!

Mararka qaarkood waan kaa yaabaa walaalow, Do you honestly believe all this copy-and-paste stuff that you constantly bombard us with?

Cudud ma leh ay col kula weerar galaan ciidan iyo xooge Inkastey cid kuu soo diraan waa cidloo kale Caloosha iyo madaxay sidii dumar cantuugaane Maandhoow cayaayirka iga daa carabi waa naage!

It's amazing how anything this Daanyeer Michael or any of his likes have to say about Somalia and it's existance boosts your morale and gives you some confidence in your prattle!

Koora-Tuunshow, Jaahilnimaad u qirtaye Ina-Adeer bal maxaad ku aragtay ninka? Horn The article you quoted, though deserving an audience, has been undermined and besmeared by the passage I quoted. It becomes apparent to the discerning reader that Mr Qaasim's own perceptions have intertwined themselves onto his writing, sinking his article into the ever-widening abyss of partisan politics. Originally posted by HornAfrique: Here is another piece by Qaasim Duulaan Jecel quote: SOMALIA, THE NATION DESTROYED BY ITS OLD MEN:By Dr.Qasim H Faarax Duulaanjecel Dec 20,2007 For instance, if you pay attention to Abdulahi Yusuf, the President of the TFG addressing to public, you would find him condemning or criticizing at least one of the clans. Some times, you may find him praising another clan simply because they dominated or attacked one of the clans that he hates. Now, we all know what C/Yusuf is capable of, but the lines above are not borne out of journalistic imparitality and stating the obvious, but a more sinister, deep-rooted and inherent antagonism. Abu-Geeljire - not every viewpoint, but not a bad summarisation at all! As for honesty, well, that is open to debate.

Reer Kaahin Riyaale Said: waxaanu nahay dadkii Soomaalidaba u horseeday ilbaxnimada, calankii iyo xorriyaddii ugu horaysayna inagaa helnay, daacadnimo iyo soomaalinimo nagu jirta awgeedna intaan calankeennii la soo orodnay ayaan koonfurey idiin keenay idinkuna darsanay oo weliba idin siinay Madaxweynenimadii, magaala madaxdii, maamulkii, iyo wax kastoo dawladi lahaan jirtayba idinkoo weliba nagaga dambeeyey gumaysi iyo badawnimo. Waxaase naxdin iyo muruga leh in taa naloo kaga abaal guday xabbad, xasuuq, dhac, boob, kufsi iyo kala cayrin, tiiyoo aysan Koonfuri noola kala harin, waar miyeynan ahayn in maanta nala ku maslexeeyo madaxweynenimo. Reer Sayyid M C. Xassan said: Waddankani la guban maayo waxaan ahayn xaq darrada iyo inkaarta nala ka galay, waxaannu nahay dadka marwalba u heellan difaaca iyo waardiyaha dalka, maadaama aan ku hareersanahay dalkoo dhan oon dacallada ku hayno waddamada deriska nala ah ee ay cilaaqda aan go'ini na dhex taal, waxaa lagama maarmaan ah inay xabbad kastaa inaga na soo ballayso. Tan kale waxaan nahay qabiilka ugu faraha weyn qabiilada marka la isku kaaya daro sidaa darted tiradeenu waxay leedahay tayo wacan oo dhan walbaan dalka ka dhisnaa. Taa keliya maahee waxaanba nahay dadkii Soomaaliba aabbaha u ahaaye soo saaray. Sayid Maxa'd buu ahaa ninkii ugu horeeyry ee laga maqlo magaca Soomaali weyn, Nasiib darrase waxay noqotay in kolkii la gaaray mira dhalkii jihaadkiisii loo weeciyey faa'iidadii reer kale oon shaqaysan. eegga waxa keliya ee meejatani ku degi kartaa iyadoo inaga nala ku xaal mariyo madaxweynenimada. Reer C/llahi Yusuf said: Nimanyohow waxaa la yiri; caada la gooyaa cara allay leedahay, caalim taladiisoo la diidana taraan turo ma hurto, haddaan ninaan talin jirin taliyana nimaam tagi jirin baa taga. waxaannu nahay dadka Soomaali ugu tacliinta badan uguna ilbaxnimada dheer, Soomaali ma aqoon xukun tawrad, iyo maamul aanaan anagu wadin, SYL, kuwii dalka xoreeyeyna innaga unbay ahaayeen, bal u fiirasda oo soo hela qiimo ay Soomaali gaartay oo aan ******* hormuud ka ahayn. waxaan hagaajina mooyee waxaan hallaynana lama arag, Waxaase naxdin lama filaan ah noqotay markii inta nala ka boobay xilkii aan sharafta ku haynay, nala xumeeyey halkii naloo kaga kaalmayn lahaa gudashada xilkaas aan ummadda u haynay. Waxaase taas oo dhan ka sii daran anaga oo ahayn mucaarad ku kaca ina Siyad Barre kuwii ugu horeeyey uguna awoodda badnaa ee taba baray mucaaradadii ka dambeeyey oo dhan ayaa halkii la rabay in nala ku sharfo taliska nala ku gubay guri kastoo aan ku jirnay sida Gaal-kacyo, Kismayo iyo Xamar siiba C/casiis. Haddaba, war miyeynan ahayn in lana ku qanciyo madaxweynenimo. Reer Siyaad Barre said: Soomaaliweyney ma arintu ahayd ninkii taliya qoladiisaa talisa, mise arintu ahayd nin walba wuxuu galabsado ha laga gudo? Hadday tahay ninkii taliya reerkiisaa taliya; Anagay ahaayeen kuwii Soomaali magac iyo sharaf u yeelay gude iyo dibadba, kana dhisay dhan walba hadday tahay xag ilbaxnimo iyo h/mar dhaqaalaba, waxaanan ku baaqnay sinaan iyo cadaalad cid walba gaarta oon horay loo arag. waxaan duugnay qabyaaladdii, waxaan qornay Afkii hooyo, waxaan ka dhignay wadanka mid qiima kaleh sokeeyaha iyo shisheeyahaba agtooda, Wuxuu wadanku gaaray inuu helo quwada ugu saraysa Afrika isagoon weli qaan gaarin, waxaan kum guulaysanay barnaamijyo badan oo mira dhalay sida; dejintii danwadaagaha, garaash booragaraam, (crash programs), iskaa wax uqabso, Aasiddii qabyaaladda, iyo malaayiin kale oo wada malab ah, waxaana u daliil ah taas waxa dhacay dabadeed. Haddayse arintu tahay waxaa amaanan ama eedaysan dawladdii talinaysay, anagu waxaan ahayn cidda ugu dulman uguna dullaysan dalka waxaana kuu daliil ah deegaankeena iyo dadkeena oo maanta weli ku jooga halkay somalida kale ku joogeen 69 kii. Waxaana taa noo wehliya in ay Soomaaliyoo dhami isugu kaaya tagtay, bal eeg markii naloo kugu tashaday gurigii Djabuti sannadkii 1991 kii, oo bal car sheega qabiil aan nala dagaallamin iyo sanad keliya oo aan dagaal ka nasanay. War bal qoodhiin iyo xeradiin miyeysan gar ahayn in maanta nala ku maslaxeeyo madaxweynenimo. Reer Faarax Caydiid (dhuusamareeb) said: Waxaan wax ku lahayn xornimo dhalintii, xusuuso C/llahi Ciise iwm. Waxaanu nahay kuwii ku guulaystay saaritaankii Ina Siyaad iyo dadkiisii naf iyo maal badan baana taas nooga baxday. Waxaan tanya tii ku soo jirnay gumaysi *******. marna ma illoobi karno tii; Cali yusuf Keenadiid, Sayid maxamed, Maxemed Siyaad iyo kuwa kaleba. Waxaan qayb libaax ka qaadanay dhismaha dalka ee dhan walba leh. waxaan nahay lambar fara badan oo lagu hilmaamay duur qaraxa. Tan kale ummadda Ilaahay ninba marbuu taliyaa oo la raacaaye maa anagana kalkeena lana raaco oo nala ka war sugo? Waxaasoo dhan iyo wixii naf naga go'ayba marka la isku daro, Ilaahay ka cabsadee ma waysan ahayn in lana ku raalli geliyo madaxweynenimo. Reer Maxamad Dheere said (Jowhar) said: Niman yohow lama arag lamana maqal cid inta gurigeeda loogu yimaado lagu xukumee, bal aashiina, hanoqonina marti dulum waddee, midda kale unukuba dhismaha waddanka waqti kastaba waxaan ku lahayn, bal xusuuso G/Da'ud iwm. Warkuse wuxuu ku dhan yahay anugu goofkeyga anaa ka taliya ha la guugu taliyana yeeli maa, hadaba maslaxo waxay ku imaa kartaa ayadoo marti edeb qabta la noqdo oo aniga la iiga leexdo wixii ah madaxweynenimo. Reer Shaatiguduud & Adan Madobe (Baydhabo) said: Waxa dhan oo wadanku la degi la'yahay oo meel walba cadaabku noogaga shidmayaa waa inkaarta ka timid xaq darrada nala ka galayo, Soomaaliyoo dhami anagay dulsaar nagu yihiin oo ma lahan wax ila dhaqaale ah oon ka ahayn badarkeena iyo biyeheena, Waxaana awal naloo kaga qaadan jiray si gumaysi dadban ah oo caqligaa nala ka haystay haddoon soo toosnayna waxaa nala ku marinayaa qori caaradiis, oo waxay isku haysataan ****** iyo ******* waa kala bililiqaysiga dhulkeenna, sidaasayna nooga dhigteen waddo halaqya mareen oo ay marba dhan isugu cayrsadaan. Dalkeena iyo dadkeenuba waa kuwa ugu weyn ee waddanka isla markaasna ugu faaiidada badan, xagga barwaaqada keliya maahee waxaan kaloo nahay xudunta Diinta iyo cilmi raacashada. Si kastaba ha ahaatee Soomaali anaga la'aanteen ma jiri karto waxaanan nahay kuwa aan la aaminsanayn inay jiraanba. Hadaba Ilaahay haddii laga cabsado sow Ilaah dadkiisa isku si uma abuurin? oo sow inay xisaab iyo aakhiro dambayso lama oga maa nala ku sharfo madaxweynenimo. Reconciliation, eh! Source [ March 31, 2008, 12:40 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Alle haw naxariisto. Jaango also passed away, Alla haw naxariistee!