That's sad, if that's all the reply you can come up with, that just proves that u cannot counter my valid points, and if it makes u feel any better, go right ahead, cause some of us are made of thicker skin, and we don't let insecurities ruffle our feathers. p.s.-funny how men will always think a woman's view will be shaped by a man, trust me, our world does not revolve around u, as u so obviously wish. Sorry to burst ur ideal woman's bubble, and may the cave bless u with many mini-cave infants.

Ladies, I really don't understand why you have to justify yourselves to men who are obviously insecure about a strong motivated woman...let them talk all they want about the perfect "feminine"/passive woman which they really want, which is a fantasy, and don't let them make you feel any less of a woman because you choose to pursue education/career, instead of naively thinking that your husband will always be there for you to provide all your needs and your kids needs as well, which is totally unrealistic. For all you men insecure about a woman also bringing home the halal bacon, i say u should be happy that we're willing to share the burden of living in the west, expensive lifestyle that requires often both to work, regardless if one wants to stay at home or not, often its not a choice, its a need. In any case, let me pose u men a ques...if the woman was earning more than u, once the kids come into the picture, would you stay home? or do u still feel the need that only a mother can take care of her kids, even if ur making minimum wage and she's making substantially more? There are jobs were the employers will let the fathers take time off, from a minimum of 6 weeks to 3-6 months, as paternal leave, once their babies arrive, and most men do not take advantage of that, prefering the woman to stay home alone, and not seeing their role as a father to be classified as a stay at home dad. Instead of worrying about what a woman's role should be, how about u focus on ur male counterparts who are mostly irreponsible qaad chewing, coffeetime drinking bunch, who have put education/building a career secondary since they got welfare to support 'em. Like they say, people living in a glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones, meaning often men who don't have good education or good jobs are the first one to start pointing the finger at a woman, saying what's wrong with her, without first evaluating their SHORTcomings. p.s.-Majority of the somalis in the west, it is women who are the majority in universities, and the men are sadly behind, and maybe that's why this insecurity is shining through, because now they feel that they may not be needed therefore need to resort to anything to make sure the woman will always be dependent on them.

Ms London, u got me there ur royal pain in the **** ...oops, i mean ur highness ...i will hereby defer to u as my queen, cause lord knows i cherish my citizenship...thxs for using such a low blow for me to agree with u, cause u knew being a refugee wasn't exactly glamorous.... p.s.-can i be ur prime minister? :cool: ....i refuse to work with Bush though, any man with an iq of an ant, is a no-no!

Princess, i hear what u are saying, but if all ppl were for same-sex marriages, then tommorrow, someone will want to marry their pet...the reason we're opposed to this type of "union" is because a marriage, by definition, in any culture/religion, is btwn a man and a woman...so if they want to live together, which they already do, go ahead, my problem is, don't call it marriage b/c its a slap in the face of religion. First, they choose to sin in a major way, which is btwn them and God, but now they want legal recognition for it, which i don't agree with....after they marry, many of them will wanna adopt kids, and would u want any of ur relatives or any kids to grow up in such a household, telling kids that its ok to marry the same sex, which might later on affect the choices of their adopted kids...

lol mr...they are corny, but they do break the ice and make me laugh, so i don't mind them, its just depends on who its from...if its a man that looks like he hasn't brushed his teeth this century, then i run like the shaydan is after me... the most annoying one is when they pretend they know u or have met u..."hey...aren't u that girl from ----? or they associate u with a celebrity as if ur gonna be flattered...they expect .."ohh..me? u thought i was halle? man...here's my # then"....FAT CHANCE!...

" i lost my #, can i have urs?" "ur dad must be a boxer, cause girl ur a knockout!" "are u from tennessee, cause ur the only 10 i see" "when did u get back?" (i said where) he says "heaven"

"I can Go Past a MINUTE...i dont have Asthma(or however u spell it!) TechnicallY,i can go on and on and on like the famous 'energizer bunnY ... .......However whats the 'among other things' that u have in mind?.....am begining to wonder,if u have tricks!...... " Nomad, finally i found u, a 2 minute marathon man, congrats on breaking the 1 min record... and are u sure u can...ahem...replace all my battery essentials "needs".... ...and the "among other things" comment...i meant a cook and a cleaner ...what did u think it was? U dirty dog u!!!!... p.s.-gymnastics and acrobatic achievements would win u great points! :cool: Cheers!!!

"can i also BLOW YOUR HORN??..Ahem! " lol...well, it depends, how good are ur lungs? (among other things)

"I see, what if he Approaches YOU?....Then Pride takes Charge eh?" Nomad, if he approaches and he's someone im attracted to, then i'd be a fool to say no, or bite off his head, BUT if he comes across as too arrogant, then its my place to sharpen my blade and prepare to slice and dice him...its all up to him... :rolleyes: Ex...there was this guy who was trying to catch my attention while i was walking in my friends neighborhood, and he kept saying "hey, hey!"..i hate being called like that, as if im some piece of meat who's supposed to trot over to him, so i proceeded to put my nose up in the air and kept walking, then he's like.."hey, u dropped something!"....i panicked 'cause i was carrying a bag, and looked back, and he cracked up saying,"i thought u couldn't hear me"...well, that broke the ice, and i laughed it off, 'cause he used his sense of humor to gain what he wanted. UD, as for going to a club with u, where would that be, sesame street? cool, let me know when ur done playing with elmo, i'll hang with big bird while ur catching up with ur school buddies Cheers!

lol nomad, if glowing means ur shining face that seems to look like u were locked outside with the camel herders all day, glow away...and leave this to X-quiziteness....u ppl can barely hold a candle to tenth of my X-quiziteness... (feels good to gloat and blow my own horn w/o having to seem conceited, damn, im too modest for my own good)

Nomad, we never said we didn't flirt b4, we were just recounting the times we're opposed to flirting and with whom....like DnD says, most of us flirt with ppl we know and are comfortable with, those that won't take it too seriously, and we avoid strangers we arent' interested/attracted to...so rest easy, we're not out to blow every farax outa the water, it's all in the approach...if they make it seem funny and innocent, then we'll take the bait, but if its more intrusive than a gynocological exam, i pass!!!! Pearl...i got it hand it to u...u got balls! well, hopefully not literally, but u know what i mean...i would never approach a stranger even if it was a dare, no matter how cute he was...a girl got her pride!!..but nothing wrong with flipping the hair, and laughing out loud, and glancing over to him casually once in a while, to give a hint...(nomad...thats an example of innocent flirting. Cheers!

lol ms london...her majesty u say huh? when isnt the queen of england just a figure head and really is no use? just has a title for nothing...lol...does that describe u? If so, take a back seat to me X_quiziteness, cause it damn near blinded me, wear ur glasses when looking at moi!!!! tanag u! :cool:

The issue of Gay marriage in the West...2 outlooks..the 1st, im gonna play the devil's advocate... 1-this is what the west gets for trying to separate church and state from their constitution. When a state is build that way, how can u have hypocrisy/double standard, when they are not allowed to marry, cause its morally wrong, yet the state itself claims to be founded on so-called democracy, that religion has no basis in their constitution, that all ppl deserve the same rights, regardless...therefore they are in a lose-lose situation, in a corner, on one hand saying let's abolish the word God from the constituion, the other saying homosexuality is wrong because God says so...how can u say its wrong if u don't acknowledge God?(thats the argument i would use if i were a gay marriage supporter, which, of course, im not...just showing u the hypocrisy of the states, and the quandary they got themselves into...) 2-Now..my personal view...of course, we all agree that it is an immoral act that is clearly banned by most great religions, so the debate isnt if its right or not, but since its a personal choice should they be allowed to marry? NO!!!! because the definition of marriage as in all religions is btwn a man and a woman, and regardless if homo's wanna live their "alternative" lifestyles, they shouldn't try to adopt a tradition that stems from religion. Sadly..in tdot, there are 3 gay men so far that i know of, that came outa "the closet", and are calling for the support of their community..as if!! :eek: Just a lil pet peeve i noticed about gay ppl...they say they want a relationship with the same sex, yet when they are together, is it just me, or have u guys noticed that one takes on the role of a man and the other of a woman...a lot of time, one guy would be very feminine, and one man the typical "manly" man...and for ladies...one is a butch, ie-short hair buzzed like a man, no makeup, manly clothes, while the other one is girly-girly...and when they are "married"...why do they put on the traditional clothes of heterosexuals if they don't wanna be associated with them? one wears a tux, the other a bridal gown...why not have their own "traditions" and why emulate the heterosexual ideal if u rejected the norm anyways? Just a few q's i'd ask a homo... Cheers!

"By the way X-quizit, why don't u cool off and let Underdog take u out for coffee or to the lake It will be a memorable time all for next to no money cause UD is a PIMP like dat. " Actually Khayr, ur waaaay more suited to UD than I am, why don't u let us know how the picnic by the lake was and how u were pimped? thxs..looking forward to it...

"By the way, X_quisit, on the topic of "macawiis warriors", I have (for the short time I've "known" you) never seen you say a single positive thing about the men of your culture. So since you sound like "your bread is buttered somewhere else" you should probably stop worrying about what we think and say....or are we making you look bad? " OHHHH...I seemed to have hit a nerve...I see farax's will continue to distort facts and project their own INSECURITIES into anything I write. Talk about paranoid!!!!! :eek: Since U dont seem too bright and always worried about a woman emasculating ur less than stellar masculinity, I'll break it down for U. That was supposed to be a lighthearted piece, not to be taken literally, BUT if u want to come armed everytime u see my name, hey, lil man, my ball busting tactics are still intact. Don't worry about where "my bread is buttered", gee, didnt know I was a concern to u, but let's just say, sexism isn't part of their category. Hmm...another fact that is distorted, and validated by u, "known" me..I seem to not have pleased u in saying all the lovely compliments u faraxs deserve, ahhh well, too bad u weren't a recipient, maybe then u wouldn't be so inclined to want to believe i hate my kind, if that helps u sleep better at night, knock urself out. As for making me look bad? Don't flatter urself, u make a lunatic seem like a genius by ur logic. p.s.-i wonder why my piece hit u so hard, ouch...i must have reminded u of a xalimo that rightfully ran the other way when she saw ur caveman attire.

"If something happened to us"??? come on now, nothing happens in public and most guys can resist the urge to drag you off (I hope so anyway).: Actually a lot of crimes occur right under the nose of authority and in bright daylight. Faraxs are unpredictable creatures,YES means YES to them, and no means YES to them, so forgive me for not giving the macawis warriors the benefit of the doubt. And it doesnt have to be something drastic, they can just become stalkers, where they would wait for u at usual times, where they saw u, or be at places they think u will be, if u told them alot about u.

LOL Ud, and the next thing we hear, if something happened to us, the farax took advantage or something, WE would get blamed for "leading" the poor man on...men...they never know what they want...can't live with them, can't live w/o them...well, maybe i can, with a few batteries...for my remote!!! u sick ppl!!!!

This is a prime example of what a simple argument can lead to. Many women who are murdered are by the hands of their family members,someone they know, majority from their husbands, so this just highlights that sad fact again. Sad that the ppl u need to watch out for are those that were supposed to have ur back, instead of a complete stranger. Hope he gets prosecuted fully, and the somali community there shouldn't help him hide his deed/shame, where so often, the killers are protected and sometimes helped to escape to back home. Some women find it cute if their partner is a jealous freak, thinking that it shows the love the man has for them, when in reality, its a way to assert control over the woman. Next time u have a jealous b/f, tell him to hit the road farax. May she rest in peace, and hope her family finds some peace with the news of their daughters' death.

Thierry, isnt that borderline stalking? contrary to popular myth, girls say NO for a reason, and they mean it, also persistence doesnt pay off, makes u look like a lunatic. So next time u hear it, dust urself off, and find other prey.

Rudy, i realize ur not an expert into reading beyond the obvious, so let me make it clear for u. I meant, its fine if any men like somali women, b/c just like many races, we are blessed with beautiful sistas, BUT, what i object to, is basing that liking on a criteria made by the white man, hence...light skin...hope this clears it out for u. Peace

Ok...i admit, im an amateur in somali politics, but this is a bit of clarity i got from my mom. Feel free to correct me, and let's engage in a civilized debated. thxs! Somaliland, to my understanding, got its independence 4 days b4 the rest of somalia.Both parts of somalia struggled valiantly to rid itself of its colonizers, and when somaliland got its freedom from the british, they were advised to remain its own separate country, but as a gesture of brotherhood and a willingness to hold hands with the rest of somalia, somaliland declined to be its own separate country and decided to unite with the rest of somalia, as one unified strong entity. For a while, peace reigned, but soon, qabilism's ugly head reared, and soon, each ruling clan only did the best for theirs. Come siad barre time, he had an all out war against a certain clan and refused to put any money into hargeisa, and the country continued to be divided in clan lines, each not trusting the rest. Civil war erupted, and the ruling southern govt bombarded homes and decimated families, all b4 hand to hand combat was to ensue, not a fair fight at all. After the topple of the dictator, the north strives to regain its borders, known as somaliland, and the rest of somalia doesn't want to agree with the separation b/c they believe that it will only weaken them as a whole. I believe that somalia has a whole won't be truly democratic, when the system that seems to exist is that whoever's clan is the majority rules. So i gave u that brief lil background and history to explain my stance on the separation issue.Personally, im all for the separation, because the north has been through alot, and being that it has started as its own separate mini nation, why not allow it to become it once again, it is their right, and the south can form its own somalia, and to each his own, but live under the banner of brotherhood, living peacefully as 2 states, coming together under the banner of islam and culture. (sorry if it seems biased, just my opinion as an outsider) Peace

Well, what I found disturbing is that men liking somali women for their "fine features" close to caucasian, and admiring their light skin, hair..etc... Isn't that a colonialistic attitude? Ppl are so brainwashed that they only see beauty through the lens of the white man. Everyone has their preference, but don't base ur preference on prejudice. Also, this thread was to show what some black men like about somali women, and I'm amazed how ppl continuously use it to flip the script and crucify those somali women who choose to date/ marry outside their race. Are some somali men so insecure that they seize upon black men as their rival everytime they see a xawa with them? Who cares!!!!! Let ppl live their own lives, whether they wanna date any color of the rainbow, thats' nobody's biz but theirs. If u wanna act like a concerned citizen of ur society, ask about the person's deen rather thean their skin color. p.s.-Allah created us all, and who are some of u to say one race is better than another? what makes u better than other africans/blacks? Get off ur high horses, and stop the prejudice. Peace

Shenomad, I've also attended the winter conference and got so much out of it, and i'm hoping to make it to this one. I was scheduled for an out of town trip that weekend, b/c i just found out about this last night, but i'll try to make it. If not, I hope u can give me the main info about the conference, thxs in advance. Peace

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Somealien, u can also tell by the way they are looking at u, body language says alot! Personally, i try to look as mean as possible or keep my head down, so that if i dont make eye contact, they wont feel the need to talk to me, or see it as an opening. IF one dares, i keep the convo as short as possible, with yes and no answers, and hopefully, he'll get the hint to buzz off. I dont have any need to talk to a complete strangers, and dont buy into "innocent" chat crap, or them being friendly, tell em, i have enuff friends. One last thing, if guys are striking up a convo innocently, why not choose a male???? hm...think about it..why choose a woman if u dont want nothing from her?...they use obvious excuse, like..what time is it, when its obvious they got a watch on... Yeah, im cynical..so what..lol...but better be safe than sorry, 'cause many a times, an innocent smile, got me in hot waters, where the guy took it as an invitation/opening to approach me in a dif way. Peace