^^^ Dont say no if you don't know. that is the punishment if the man is not married. If not, stoning is still not the only option. Also, there mustbe four male four witnesses, something these coarts didn't bother with. As for them confessing, I think we all know how those can be obtained.

to Jimcaale, unless I am mistaken, name calling is not alowed in this forum. Don't attack people, discuss the topic that is being discussed. If you have nothing to say, you know what they say: Af dabolani wa dahab! As for the pics, i did warn about the links to the graphic ones, if you decide to see or not to see is your business. As for what I hope to accomplish with them, I wanted to show cheerleaders here the true face of these warlords/thugs turned wadaado.

^^ finally, a sane Muslim!

^^ be warned: The above links are graphic pics of them cutting the hand and leg of the little kid.

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is this what you think of as Islam?

Alaahu Akbar. Those who are stating that this is 2006; are you saying that Islamic Shariah (Allah's divine words) are not modern enough! or they don't apply? War Rabi kacabsada Dhalinyarooy. whats not modern is not is Islam or its laws but his medieval mentality is. Stoning people to death, cutting limbs of children with kichen knifes, cutting the hair of old man, teens beatings their elders for exposing their legs, stoping woman from working or educating themselfs, dictating what people were, beating or arresting of people who do not fast, this is not Islam but backwardness of the worst kind. its a violation of peoples human rights. No one has a right to dictate to someone such personal things let alone stone and knife people to death in the name of islam. You wakiil uga degey islam iyo Ellahey? even if we take 16th century interpretations of Sharia, what they are doing is not Islamic. For example you can kill a rapist who is not married.

propaganda? When did the truth become propagenda? just because don't lke the truth does not make it propagenda.

todays date: tuesday, june 27, 2006. would some people please step out of the dark ages?

whats being done is not justice, islamic or otherwise. They assured the world that they were not another talibans yet are stoning people in 2006.

brother i am not trying to cover anything up, just trying to encourage little objectivity. What I meant, and I believe you have answered, was questioning wither ur concern was the fact that the people commited this act were "puntlanders" or the act was committed at all. I guess it can be said that you and Duke are the one who are obsessed about reporting baseless news on Maxkamadaha. I see no possible reason to be obsessed with something baseless and believe i have not shared any such reporting. I do, however, sense that these "Maxkamado" and "Wadaado" are pushing our nation further to the abyss. Just because you do not share this, does not make the reports I feel are close to the truth to be baseless. Lets be open minded, this is a place were we can exchange ideas, not a place to defind some destructive entity in somalia. lets try and do that instead attacking each other.

Some of you never fail to suprise me. Capital punishment is not practiced everywhere as someone here said but few barbaric nations. according wikipedia Among democratic countries around the world, most European and Latin American states have abolished capital punishment while the United States, Guatemala, and most of the Caribbean as well as democracies in Asia and Africa retain it. Among nondemocratic countries, the use of the death penalty is common but not universal. In most places that practice capital punishment today, the death penalty is reserved as a punishment for premeditated murder, espionage, treason, or as part of military justice. In some majority-Muslim countries sexual crimes, including adultery and sodomy, carry the death penalty, as do religious crimes such as apostasy. In many retentionist countries drug trafficking is also a capital offense. In China human trafficking and serious cases of corruption are also punished by the death penalty. Colour scheme: Blue: Abolished for all crimes Green: Abolished for crimes not committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war) Orange: Abolished in practice Red: Legal form of punishment for certain offenses Capital punishment is one thing, stoning people, forcing minors to stap people to death is another.

^^ First, the Name is Naxar SXB. second, my "Stand" is not as you say: wuxuuba taaganyahayba militia-yada puntland waxba madilin maxaa yeeley puntlandpost maba lagu soo qorin markaa sidaa darteed warkaasu waa mid aan waxba kajirin. I never said that no one was killed. I also don't remember talking about puntland post (A paper i have never read but will for now that you mention it). what I was talking about your obsession the wrong doings of puntland troops or anything puntland for that matter. This is what i said about puntland troops if they did what you say, if I may quote myself: Lastly, if they really did that, they are a disgrace to their state and should be sent back were they would be shot if they did such things. The if is there not because the news was reported from who you say but because i believe in trusting nothing of what you hear and only half what see when it comes to news aside from from what I can authenticate though reasoning. I have even more strict rule for sources i know have lied before or whose work is sub-standerd. Be that as it maybe, i never ruled out the authenticity of what you say just said if. Please ask before you say people said this or that or determine where they stand for them. hope that helps.

caqli xummada in la iska xoreeya kaba fiican!

"Puntland Militia" (There is no such thing) or anyone "Militia" who kill the innocent people in Bay and Bakoole region.

First, these troops are federal troops and not a "maleeshiyadiisa". second, as sad as the whats has happened is, no group of people or clan can till the government were to station and train troops. Thrid, we only seem to getting one side of the story. Fourth, if such people who want the government to station there troops somewhere else, we would have gotten that info from news sources from that specific region rather than shabale. Lastly, if they really did that, they are a disgrace to their state and should be sent back were they would be shot if they did such things. also, how unpatriotic of some people to constantly discredit young men who are willing to endanger their own lifes to restore calm to that volatile region of nation and guarantee the safety of government officials. Is your hatred(which fail to understand) of the man that deep? I get, loud and clear, some of you don't like president Abdullahi Yusuf. What i don't get is why this also leads to a hatred of the government itself, puntland, federal troops and a host of other people. Which one is it, the man, the government or puntlanders in general. Be honest guys becouse without honesty, we can get nowhere. what is the source of your hostility?

Leadership change, in my opinion, is always good. Yet, if the reason for his dismissal is as you say, these need help. legislative oversight of the excutives is not a job for the speaker. This is done through commmittees or commissions, a collective effort.

'Somalia deserves support' -SA Posted Wed, 21 Jun 2006 Somalia's embattled transitional government deserves the support of South Africa and others, South Afican Defence Minister Mosiuoa Lekota has said. Speaking in the National Assembly, he also ruled out unilateral South African military intervention in the chaotic east African nation. Lekota was responding to Democratic Alliance (DA) leader Tony Leon, who expressed deep concern at reports warning of a catastrophic humanitarian situation developing in Somalia. "There is every indication that a major confrontation is brewing between militia run by Islamic courts and troops loyal to the transitional government, and prospects of an invasion by neighbouring Ethiopia," Leon said. While the DA welcomed the decision to lay the groundwork for a possible deployment of a peace-keeping mission to Somalia, two critical issues still needed to be resolved. "Firstly, which side of the conflict has a legitimate right to support from outside forces? Secondly, given the deep mistrust the majority of Somalis have of foreigners, it still needs to be determined whether a foreign force would serve to heighten or lessen the conflict." Therefore, the South African government should immediately announce what role if any, it intended to play in the troop deployment and how advanced the plans were to deploy an African Union (AU) peacekeeping mission, Leon said. Lekota said it was important to remember the historical context of Somalia. The country was one of the so-called "failed states" that resulted during the closing years of the cold war. The AU's approach - and that of the Organisation for African Unity before it - was that colonial boundaries should be maintained. If they were not, it could unleash "incredible conflicts everywhere in the continent". Therefore, the AU considered there to be one Somalia. Most of the warring parties had signed an agreement, which had produced the transitional government in Kenya. The AU continued to support that effort, and therefore the return to Somalia of the transitional government, with the understanding that it would continue efforts to further unite and consolidate the nation of Somalia. However, as had also been demonstrated in Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo, "there's always one or two elements that will not be attracted to the idea of peace", Lekota said. This was the grouping which had declared a "separatist position of Somaliland". The AU and South Africa supported the one Somalia, and therefore the transitional government "deserves our support". Regarding allegations of an Ethiopian offensive, he said it might well be that media reports suggested an imminent attack, but "that's not correct". "Ethiopia is cautiously guarding its eastern borders, but there is no intention indicated anywhere...that Ethiopia is planning to attack Somalia." In any event, as supporters of the transitional government, Ethiopia would be attacking the transitional government it was trying to help put into place. While the South African National Defence Force was prepared to assist in Somalia, it would only do so as part of an AU mission. South Africa could make no independent decision in this regard. "We don't just act like an unguided missile and decide we're going to go one place or another," Lekota said. Sapa web page However, as had also been demonstrated in Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo, "there's always one or two elements that will not be attracted to the idea of peace", Lekota said. This was the grouping which had declared a "separatist position of Somaliland".

^^^ I also agree

this nonsense of Etopiya aya soo socata is a sick joke while we have real problems back home.

the money for travel is either coming from countries that invite the president, his own or the Un's poltical office in Somalia which give the government some money for travel use by the TFG in its effort to bring Somalia back into the international community.

The savagery of these "Maxkamadaha" is obvious to all who want to see but I am concerned with all somalis both the diaspora and those back home. We should serously consider ways to Pacify our nation and stop the callous indefernce of those abroud or even worse, cheerleeders in the west for all moryans back home both old and new (Maxkamadaha) who have held our nation hostage for nearly two decades.

To Somalilaanders such as oog, qudac iyo Suldaanka, don't you see that what you are saying is exactly why people of Sool, Sanaag and cayn can never be somalilanders. How you both grab some ones land yet at the same time tell him to sacede from his country to join in a highly uncertian future, is beyond me. Which one is it? are they to be enemies trying to take each others land or people trying to find a common ground and future because it can't be both. why on earth would you hate a group of people to call theme names and why on earth after all Somalis a have, would some claim others land?

Axmarada kabaha-u-qaad miyaa kugu kaliftay inaad qolkani soo gashaa? HornAfrique Af-Soomaali si fiican u qor ama soo baro sida loo qoraya. physician heal thy self. Ma waxa ka wada baro Sida loo Qoro, wa maxay baro sida loo qoraya? grammatically incorrect, no? SXB, wax kale oo ad igu dahdo ayad weythey? Stop being an A...

Abdi, Odeygu muxu kugu samayey?