MoonLight1;966859 wrote: another ignorant geel jire secularist wanabe twisting history.. Sxb Naxar Islam has been successfully practiced within the mosque and also inside parliaments for centuries and it created a very rich, tolerant, sophisticated, cohesive and enlightened society . If muslims did not contribute to science, medicine, philosophy, maths and astronomy you wouldn't be able to blog on SOL and that was thanks to its leaders encouraging freedom of expression and creativity. and also if muslims were what your describing a 12 million egyptian coptics Christians would've been attending friday prayers by now, but Islam respected their believe system and they were full citizens of the Empire for 1400 years contrary to the Europians who successfully whipped out Islam from Spain and Portugal. Whoa buddy geel ma aragtay ee weydee iskaba da geel jire. Seriously am huge fan muslim societies long long ago in Cordoba, damascus, Baqhdad and Mughul India. These were very tolerant societies that valued justice, education, philosophy, the sciences and innovation. What surrounds you today from the suads, the talibans, and the salafist, and the shababs, and the xamas and hisbullah and al-queda miles and miles different then those societies who progressive values you abhor but are willing to take credit for their success. Continuation of the hypocrisy I was speaking of. Apophis, walahi I thought your new found spirituality was sarcasm, but I was wrong. Congrats but keep in mind, more then anyone, its is people like you with violent swings ideology that are in need of secularism. In many parts of the Muslim... I think you get the message. As for the MB being democratically elected, do they even believe in democracy? there are a lot of muslim "parties" that want to use democracy to destroy democracy: MB, Ennahda, AKP, Hamas lol. There is no need to demonize Secularism, in fact it would is simple panacea for all that ails the Muslim world today, it a simple philosophy of to each his own just even the Quran points out "lakum dinukum waliyadin"

Mad_Mullah;966828 wrote: BS. They're trying to taint his image in the Islamic world. Good or bad, any Muslim killed by Americans always leaves a good image as his legacy, like Saddam Hussein. Doesn't matter how bad they were. Does one even need to "taint" his image wtf dude?

The military should never have allowed the Islamic brotherhood to contest the election. Egyptions wanted democracy and they are smart enough to not let a bunch of Neanderthals hijack all their hard Wark. Islamic political party is an oxymoron, these people should stay in their mosques and leave governing to competent people trained in that field. As for all this bs about secularist, there is a simple difference between a secularist and those for theocracies: one will die so that you may exercise your rights and other will kill you for doing. It's thanks to secularism that all of you in the west can practice your believes in peace. If these "gaalo" thought like some of you, we would all be attending mass on Sunday. Caqlixumo.

Very interesting had no idea

In the biggiest political protest, the beating heart of the Arab world has spoken: no to dictatorships, no to pseudo democratic theocracy. The choice should not be between dictatorship or the other kind of dictatorship, theocracy. What Egypt needs is not leaders busy issuing head scarf fatwas but job creation policies.

on the heels of the unheard off level of corruption and sound defeat of the tools now sent to xamar, you people are still on about Kismaayo. Talow meesha maxa ka yaal

Apophis;966437 wrote: Comrade, the PWC mzungu staff were simply outwitted by people who had real hunger. Caadi waaye, it happens. Caadi maha walahi, millions and millions of dollars disappearing everywhere, wasn't not too long ago when guy walked out of the airport with 40 million dollars. all this pisses me of, we need to demand transparency. hold these firms accountable. stop cash transactions at the central bank of all places, how hard is to give people those dahabshiil cards lol. In fact, they shouldn't even be paid in hard currency but in shillings and keep the dollars as reserve currency.

lol very true walahi

Legend of Zu;966373 wrote: Naxar, got it... So PwC were appointed in 2009 and Yusuf resigned in 2008? you said few times they were appointed by Yusuf's regime. I think you are misinforming the people. not cool man! as for the job description, what NG is explaining to you is how the audit works. they have no power other than informing the UN, Donors and the Somali government. It is not their responsibility what these groups do with the reports, makes sense? The buck stops with SFG, The UN and the Donors; The PwC will be in trouble if they reported everything to be ok and the UN found out the stolen money through other channels. Either case, The UN and Senior SFG have to take responsibility and someone has to be accountable! all this none sense is inconsequential. am not lying by asking for information. The article says 2009 but as I remember it, it was the Yusuf admin that was talking about using PWC to ensure donor funds get to the right hands. Stop being lazy and share information if you have and if not don't waste peoples time.

Apophis;966375 wrote: I'm baffled that you're baffled. mind if I ask comrade

NGONGE;966348 wrote: ^^ The only sticking point is the 15 day reporting. But who is to know that they have not been doing that every fifteen days since 2009? Who knows if the UN was turning a blind eye to it now? but this is what we need to find out and we are not going to do that by pointing at the obvious and saying Somali Officials are corrupt

I am however baffled by this responses, I am no accountant but PWC was a mechanism put into place to ensure that this kinda stuff doesn't happen. There is a failure, and we should know why that failure happened instead of snorky remarks about the job distributions of accountants and book keepers.

Zu not sure but according to the article above they started in 2009. As for audits, what kinda takes four years? Again, according to that article they were supposed to give reports to the UN every 15 days. Surely if they did their job, the UN would have been alerted to these activities much much earlier.

NGONGE;966237 wrote: Their purpose was to ensure that the money goes to the right areas. However, their job is not to run the country. These are accountants, Naxar. As long as they get invoices, receipts and records of payment, they have no business in actually proving that such receipts are genuine. Otherwise, they'll be forced to run the Somali central bank and that is not their job. As for auditing; all they have to do is point the shortcomings to the Somali government (or donors) whenever an audit is done. And even there, it is not their job to publish their audits to the whole world (unless this was agreed to by the government and the donors). The problem is with Somalia's internal auditors and not the external ones, saaxib. p.s. PWC is a business like any other. They may benefit from the corruption (since they get a commission for every "delivery"), however, they have a reputation to uphold and, frankly, the money made in Somalia is not large enough for them to risk their world renowned name. The job they do here, though seemingly not of any use, is actually very important. It may not stop corruption but it pinpoints exactly where the fault lines exist. It's always been the job of the donors and the Somali government to ensure that these fault lines are fixed. I fear that they have clearly failed at that, ensuring the money gets to the right people but also will not show us anything as far as exactly who is at fault. Today, the news is all about the UN accuses and bank governor accuses where pwc should have stepped in at least and painted a clear picture of what happened.

but that is what I have correct, jacper's payment is coming from that salmon as well. For every piece he safes, his getting two percent of it. As it stands now, he has taken his share and let cat have the rest.

sxb are you telling me If I hire you to watch my cat, make sure she doesn't eat the salmon on the kitchen counter and to call me if she does and you decide to not do your job, you expect me to pay you? loooool, something is in the water today, but unless am crazy, am perfectly in my right not pay you.

this admin didn't hire PWC it was the Yusuf Adminstration. Also, what is more feasible in this situation, going after guys you are not more corrupt then the ones you are going to replace them with or making sure that the people who were supposed to keep them in line are held accountable. replace Somali leaders, I guarantee nothing will change. Hold the people you hire to keep them honest accountable and there is a good chance you will see. Demand you get what you paid for. in fact they should be sued for every two cents they ever got. cala kuli xaal, it seems like hitting a wall here so lets just let go.

PWC they were hired to monitor and they failed that

may the King rest in peace

Yoniz, The SFG is irreverent for now as for as am concerned, Elpunto, we won't find what am looking for until they come out and speak up and they are not gonna do that if one, we are all saying SFG members and the media paints it as another corrupt Africans.

^their not that Smart. Sources are actually still unconfirmed if their retarded enough to make such a request. there is no Kenya, there is Amisom, the head of which, a jibution, declared in Mogadishu that the whole episodes fault was with the SFG.

LOL@ elpunto, why so defensive. I stated the purpose of these people but its you and Yoniz who trying to distract as from them.

Xaaji Xunjuf;966176 wrote: We can say madoobes elections was not all inclusive even it had not the blessings of the SFG, the members who declared them selves president were stake holders of the region. And they were dissatisfied of how things were going. its better if a state is going to be created in those regions all stakeholders are included. Also the government must be involved with the coordination and facilitating the state building of the new state and together with the indigenous people of those regions set up a state along with the approval of the Parliament committee. Right now it is just being viewed one clan forming a state at the expense of the others. Also before a state can be established there should be proper reconciliation between the various communities there. Have completely disagree with you. it was inclusive. These "stakeholders" were tools sent from xamar to stop the peace process. they have failed again and again, now the only thing left for these losers is kenya and people like you who choose to blind. not sure why walahi

lol

all you guys are side stepping the only question, we know what the Somali members are and are doing, what is the role of this firm however? They were brought in with clear purpose and unless they speak up and clarify what happened, they are part of the problem. Am starting to think shaqaalaha shirkadan ay meesha uu dirsatay in aad tihin lol