MMA, i thought that qabiil was not our problem, is that not why you don't support the 4.5 formula and the clan reconcilation conference?

MMA, i thought that qabiil was not our problem, is that not you the 4.5 formula and the clan reconcilation conference?

Manshallah, rerkana mabariga Sanaag ma kaga dabatimid? isku xeeshood and learn about the geography of the place you come from. "waar I am reer Midhisho / Hundegal we live in bariga Sanaag" Midhisho, if your even from there, which I doubt, is right out of ceerigaabo (central sanaag) and which one is it Midhisho or Hundegul, where ever that is. people like this should be kicked out SOL. Were posting clan names is not allowed yet people who advocate for one clan taking anothers land is allowed.

bariga sanaag, are actually from Laas qoray district? If not, you should drop that name! Caamir, in this map of yours, what happened to sool iyo Cayn?

maxa wax isku qasten, Somalinimo, whatever it is not being for Somaliland. At the very least, Somalinimo includes Somali Unity. Mida kale, Xabashi ba ethen ka washey ayaamahan! everything is xabahsi this xabashi that, give it a break people. The Government of Somalia, its neighbors (ethiopia, kenya, uganda) and its international supporters (the whole world minus Eritaraa) will not be stopped.

LOL Wajidhagax, we ka suurtowda Somali warlords in ay la baxan magac noocas ah!

nacaska, what evidence do you expect from a meeting under a tree?

OMG, the ethiopians have just occupied Mars!

"The stooges disarm civilians, then kill them" can an armed people be civilians? Any army person should be shot if you ask me!

"Islaanta Baqtisay" Af xuma wuxu!

The facts that NSPU want you to know and the secessionist abhor By Mohsin Mahad August 23, 2007 In an article in Awdalnews few days ago entitled “the facts that NSPU do not want you to know.” the writer Mohamed Sugal had tried to destroy the credibility and image of the Northern Somalis for Peace and Union (NSPU). All he did in the process was to shoot himself in the foot and discredit himself. Having closely looked at his article, I could not find any substantive arguments or facts that would support his contrived allegations. In trying to tarnish the integrity and identity of NSPU as an organisation representing Northern Somalis for the pursuit of peace and unity, Mohamed Sugal says: “…while ostensibly talking in the name of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn inhabitants, NSPU fails to disclose the fact that none (my emphasis) of its members hails from this region [and] that, along with Abdallah Hirad, the NSPU director and all its agit-prop team are Puntlanders without any relevant knowledge of Sool and Sanaag.” How can anybody could utter such crap and still expect to be taken seriously? Needless to say, Abdalla Hirad and the director of NSPU are from SSC regions as are other members of the team. They also belong to Puntland since SSC is part of it. This link may have escaped Mohamed mind. All the same, I am still puzzled as to why Mohamed should commit this bizarre blunder. If it is the case that he is ignorant of the clan and regions of the NSPU team, which is unlikely, why then go public on the Internet and make these ridiculous assertions challenging the true identity of the NSPU members? The least he should have done was to do his elementary homework before embarking on his article and assure himself of these gentlemen’s clan and region of origin. A second explanation - perhaps one lending itself to conspiracy theory - is that he has been totally misinformed and that he made these assertions in good faith. But why should anyone conspire to misinform him, and why should he willingly and unquestioningly swallow false information unless he is naïve and gullible? There is no puzzle and the explanation is much simpler: Mohamed is aware of the facts regarding the true identity of the members of NSPU team and all they stand for, but he is possessed by a common, pathologically twisted secessionist mindset: that is denial of unfavourable facts and its replacement with baseless lies in defence of the secession of Somaliland. It is the separatists who propagated the big lie throughout the world that the Burco conference of 1991 was a forum where the decision for the breakaway of the North West region from Somalia and the proclamation of the revival of former Somaliland as an independent state were freely endorsed by the participants on behalf of their respective regions and clans. No one in his right mind will deny the fact that the Burco meeting was convened for no other purpose other than to foster reconciliation among the clans in the regions whose relations had dangerously soured during the bitter years of Siyad Barre’s rule. If there was any other goal, it was perhaps to evolve a common Northern strategy in the reconstitution of a Somali government after the collapse of the government of Siyad Barre. Sadly, the Burco meeting was not allowed to pursue any of its declared objectives. Instead, it was hijacked by extremist SNM hotheads who forced secession on the participants at gun point. Any secession endorsement secured under such duress is not worth the paper it is written on; certainly not from the perspectives of the SSC regions, though the secessionist logic would argue otherwise. But even if we grant, for the sake of argument, that the participants agreed to the secession, freely and without undue pressure, that in itself would not accord it any legitimacy and make it binding on the people of SSC. This is firstly because those who attended the meeting were self-appointed individuals who were there only in their personal capacities and had no prior mandate from their people. If it was to have validity, it should have been endorsed on their return by their people at the necessary levels. This never happened as the participants from SSC were disowned and the secession declaration rejected out of hand by the SSC people. Instead, their response was to join Puntland. Compare this with what happened in the secessionist heartland where a referendum was held in 2001 endorsing the Burco declaration. In the face of the reality, the secessionists still maintain the same lies that all the clans and regions of what they call Somaliland support the secession when everyone else, in particular the rest of the Somali people and international community, are fully aware that the SSC regions have never joined the secession but in remain part and parcel of Somalia and are presently part of the Puntland regional administration. These are the facts the NSPU want us to know in defence of Somali unity and the secessionists would like to deny or falsify them in support of their secessionist cause. Mohsin Mahad Email: Mohsinmahad@yahoo.co.uk _____________ wardheernews

The mission was conducted by the brave warriors and the defense lines of the homeland is the homeland, red sea, Somalialnad or Somalia?

but like yalahow said, this is not a matter for parliament sense they did not appiont him. instead of doing his job , the minister of justice is only complaining about others. M.dheere knows whats his doing and his right to point out those suposed refugees out for their support of terrorist. he might be on to something all others are ignoring.

MMA, clearly there are those of us who see things otherwise. Eritaraa has done quite a lot to "harm" Somalia. in the name of its own interest or to get back at its enemy, it has armed Somalis against their government. wither you like that government or not, you must at the very least realise that arming Somalis against each other is harmful. "I see someone would have loved if uu kasoo hadli lahaa Adisababa and would have more loved if he sat under that Xabashi master of theirs." we really must come of this, both these countries are habesha! also they are not only both christian, but the same sect too.

khalafow, they have answered your question indirectly. this region you are talking about is the land of the people whose name bares. the centrol government of ethiopia has divided these people. the name has been changed to the somali region and minority which does not even live there but in dire dawa (which is not part of ********) rule the state. Put in short the ONLF is fighting for o lands and the alien administration in Jijiga where minorities have entranged themselves taking advantage and have painted the rightful owners of the land as rebels and anti-state. [ August 21, 2007, 01:29 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

we are back to an old discussion my friend, all are wrong but us. with that mindset, you should avoid discussions!

LLPP, they don't have to anything about mogadishu, mogadishu, should do something about mogadishu. "There are group of nomads who blend under the guise of Somalinimo and brotherhood." brotherhood is terroristic but about that Somalinimo, I agree 99 percent who say they are drivin by are fake as hel... yet, you do not have to be all about Somalinimo to call somalilander out for what they are.

^^^ no, they just have enough sense not glorify their mistakes.

this is where we take different paths red sea. I see self defense as the most important right we have. if threatened, i few any means of self defense as legitimate. clearly, the ethios were and continue to be the only african nation ready to assist the Somali government. there for, i do not see TFG's calling for the assitance as "mistake". Also, because the continued aggression against the government my anti-state reminents of the islamic courts, war oppotunist, and clan fighters, i do not see the continued assistance of ethio troop for the government until one, this resistance waves the white flag or other peacekeepers are found to help the government. if are unbaised and use reason, am sure we can come to the same conclusion. I am all to weel aware of the age all animosity between Somalia and ethiopia but i am of the opinion that one, the reasons for ethio-Somali conflict no longer applies (If we have been fighting the ethios for the unity of all Somalis, that we have divided ourselfs and are trying to break up the little we controlled makes that cause piontless ) and two the state that our country finds itself today makes it impossible to be picky who helps us rebuild our country.

Red sea "yes Riyaale was part of the barre regime and so are many others in Somaliland including many from your own home region in particular Aadan Cade who is from Xudun" red sea, sheekado maha rer Xudun v.s. rer Hargeisa. It is a fact that the government, or Said Barre as you put was not the only target of the SNM but also clans in the north. it is also a fact that the government killed people in its fight against that rebel movement. For you to celebrate these rebels as protectors while putting as side that fact that they killed people because of their clan is the same as the people of awdal, sool, sanaag celebrating thee government for protecting them forgeting that the government might have killed people. its no secret that the SNM has killed civilians in cities, i need no proof of it, my family in the ceerigaabo district. those family members killed others in that same district. that difference is, red sea, you celebrate the people who did that, i don't. how can you not see the hypocrisy of asking these people to a common administration while at the same time celebrating the people who have murdered their families.

"Allow maanka hanaga qaadin." amin, amin yet i wonder why that would suprise, the man is a human, he will make a foolish decision and we will call them out as such, he will make wise decisions and we will praise him for it. am afraid, red sea, that praise and admonishmenent must hand in hand. so when we prasie him for his pragmatic world view (The government had to do what it had to do), we must admonish him for his foolish world view (I will make up negetive news about the government because i was demoted). last, but not least, if you think like caydiid, it doesn't matter what you were, you are a fool.

"For a man is entitled to, I believe, to regurgitates his version of the Gospel Of The Unvarnished Truths according, that is, to that ever reliable, and speedy, Clan's watering-hole up to date newswire..." I don't know about entitlement Oodweyne, your certainly are free to do so as you and the other S-landers have been. Whatever "clans watering-hole newwire" ascribe to or which ever clan mantra you don today, nothing can explain away the colossal contradictions and the hypocrisy of that path that s-lander i.e. SNM has followed. fight the "faq-sh", not only make part of what you fightfor but make them your president only to come back to celebrating your "anti faq-sh" fighters. which one is because you can't fight them and try to live in the same house with them?

no. no. must have been aliens, seriously!

so losing these fools: caydiid and hiirale and the new fool buubaa is humiliation. Abdullahi Yusuf mar hore ayu uu sheegay, if they oppose the government and "daadka qaadaya". "I make it rain, (I make it rain) I make it rain on them h..." should be the old man's anthem.

the SNM (Soomaalida midnimada neceb) was a qabiilist, genocidal and murderous, Qaran iyo dowladdiid organization whose only accomplishment was the murder innocent people of sool, sanaag, southern togdheer, awdal regions not to mention non "Somalilanders" in hargeisa from the *******iya and cowards who used the civilians of burco, berbera and hargeisa as shield. you somalilanders should choose between two, celebrate these murderers but leave othern northerners alone about being part of you la-la land or drop this none sense about celebrating mujrimiinta ad ugu yereyson mujaahidiin.