Haddad The latest attempt to resuscitate nationalism was the fake outrage at the Saudi beheadings Do you intend to troll through every thread and bring this up? Please let it go.

San Diego, CA 92130-2332 Is that where he last resided? I know enough characters in that city to at least ask around

It said nothing of coming back or a return trip ......heck your in damascus why would anyone wanna come back So is shehe's answer the right one, i got tired of trying to figure this out.

Rudy: also, please protest emails to amensty, un, to the saudi govt! Unfortunately some of us cant make it there (unless one of you brits is willing to fund the trip across the Atlantic ) furthermore those of us residing in cities with a miniscule Somali populus have limited options in addressing/protesting this display of "selective" justice. Email is the only option we have. Time constraints might hinder some from sitting down and penning a protst email (I have edited and deleted more than 3 thus far since this fiasco erupted, and time does not permit me to pen one worthy of sending) Maybe we can solicit help from some of the more eloquent nomads in here ( there plenty) to pen down an articulate letter of protest (it would be for a worthy cause). This could be posted in the forum, along with the email adresses of the above mentioned organizations/ farcical monarchy. Majority here have more than 1 email address, and all they would have to do is copy/paste the letter into an email, sign the note, and hit the send button. A average of less than 5 minute process that would send a clear message. Do the math 500 nomads with at least 2 email addresses = 1000 emails, pass it along to buddies, and it could put the chain letter phenomena to shame. Who would be willing and grab this bull by the horns?

We have something called credit check. Could she possibly be a victim of credit fraud, and her mind/sanity has been stolen?

Well I don’t know what to make of it. If the post was incoherent (loosely stated facts with implying concluding sentences and unrelated title), if you didn’t have any argument, if you didn’t explain your rational for labeling (and labeling you did) philosophers as martyrs – by the way you could (if you didn’t) and made the discussion more clearer and useful than it had been so far Bashi, if you may permit me to say you’re asking the wrong question. The post was a fallacious and intentionally misleading. His whole post from title to body was a Fallacy of Ambiguity (Equivocation, and a good one at that) The word martyr he used in the title was describing their devotion,time and the sacrifices they made for the sake of principle. The word martyr in the body takes a whole different meaning when he listed their means of death. Initially I was under the impression it was a case of “manipulating†semantics, but know I’m really baffled. This ought be the real question! The initial post coming from the self-proclaimed philosopher king, who has impeccable command of the English language, and a knack for unveiling other’s fallacies; leads me to “beg the question†why would he flagrantly commit such a fallacy? Was it perhaps to invoke discourse in his field of expertise and mercilessly dismember the layman? Or perhaps was it to create an opportunity to derive personal pleasure by confusing people and pointing their errors out with “humpty dumpty†analogies? Or perhaps it was a simple error, and he could have avoided all this confusion by simply retracting the title (but he did say it was willfull..hmm) This was more a riddle than a post, and if I am duly wrong and righteous without understanding, then I stand corrected.

The Stigma! I often ponder over what spawned our collective demise Rummaging through the past, it should come as no suprise Once a nation of great poets and men of integrity Now a couldron deep-seeded with deception and despise Silencing the conscience and enforcing servility Oh qabiil I ask, what is the chokehold you have on my people? The Nemesis! Generations ago bravery and skillful oratory were the key to fame Our forefathers pillaged and plundered livestock in reer hebel's name Alas! that was another era, but in this decade it ought be a shame We are abound with unscrupulous characters who are lame With no expression of sympathy, nor willing to accept blame Oh qabiil I ask, what is the chokehold you have on my people? The Enigma! Dear ancestors did you lead us to our prevailing demise? Weren't we meant to evolve mentally and grow wise? If so, why do we still bicker and squabble like nitwits? Bragging about clan lineage makes me think were dimwits Why are our minds still infertile, is it the seeds you sowed? Oh qabiil I ask, what is the chokehold you have on my people? The Bootlicking! Hedhe Faraax why do you hold qabiil in such high esteem? You relentlessly strive to put the bigot on a pedestal Has he promised you shangri-la, if and when he rules supreme? You show no resentment, let alone voicing your rejection Alas! Faraax your disoriented mind fails to fathom our situation Oh qabiil I ask, what is the chokehold you have on my people? The Crossroads! What materializes after the TNG, do we all make a beeline for home? The remnants of a nation derailed pose many an unknown I yearn to see the surreal scenery of Bar lido, but will I be free to roam? Or will I be provoked into a argument over a petty comb I own? Allah please guide us for we are still young and have not grown. Oh qabiil I ask, what is the chokehold you have on my people? **When bombarded with infinite questions, qabiil was quoted as saying†The complacent opt to be tethered, why am I to blame if they are content with the status quo†He’s composing his rebuttal.

The savvy debater can manipulate semantics to obscure the logical structure of their argument. PK, listing their methods of death, disintergrates any premise-conclusion chain argument brought forth ( one does not neccessarily have to "die" to be a martyr) If the corrolation between title and thread was penned intentionaly, then the snare you set is worthy of praise.

Dawaco/Juxa that was really touching. After reading this thread. the song "love is in the air" ( tom jones i think), somehow got stuck in my head

There numerous foreigners who have fallen in love with the somali languange; learnt it, and dissected/documented their findings. (I.M lewis, Andrejewsky etc) Some time back I had the priveledge of meeting a very impressive lady called Lidwien Kapteijns. Her knowledge and command of the somali language is impeccable. Her apprehension of Gabay's, baranbur,culture and litreture will put many a native nomad to shame (including me). Here's her Full Bio Not only did she marry a nomad (by all accounts that ive heard) she also plays a major role in the boston somali community. Commendable. Since 1994, she has been actively involved with the Somali community in Boston. She is co-editor of the new international journal in Somali Studies called Bildhaan and co-founder of the Boston-based non-profit organization called the Somali Institute for Research and Development (SIRAD)

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our miseries are actually wake up calls to go back to Allah SWT, but because we are so sophistocated, we read misfortunes the wrong way, that we have bad luck in life, nothing could be farther from truth, Allah SWT says that is fortunes happen for two purposes: Jazaakallah Kheyr Nur,

Nur, 2,3, and 8 Jazakallah

What Famous Leader Are You? personality tests by similarminds.com What a load of crap!

Intuition I think you'd enjoy SAW That is one demented, sick character in that movie. Im not sure whose loonier, the ***** who sawed his leg off or the guy who orchestrated the whole ordeal.....

for example the Oregon has legalized doctor asisted suicide. Stoic, the State Vs Federal jurisdictions are a mess. The Florida courts ruled on this based on Florida constitution. The federal courts refused to take the case because it was a state issue, and they lacked jurisdiction, leaving Fl legislatures to interpret their constitution as long as it didn't conflict with US constitution. The neo-cons lobbied congress, failing to realize that as long as the Florida constitution doesn't conflict with US constitution, states rights will win. ( with the absence of a federal law, the US supreme court has no jurisdiction) ... read on and you'll see the relevance of this. because the constitution does not guarantee a right to die neither does it expressly prohibit someone from such actions Congress passes laws, and the supreme courts hears law suits under these laws. Neo's lobbied them to address this case since the US supreme court turned this down. Here's the key, If they pass this law then the US supreme court has the authority to interpret the law, and over-ride any precedent judgments made by state courts. then the judge should take simultaneous role as a judge and a health -care surrogate.Can we trust judges as both surrogate and impartial judge in the case? It will depend on what his stands are!(religious or not religious) If congress passes a law on euthanasia future legal wrangles like this will end up at the federal level and at the doorsteps of the US supreme court.(Supreme court justices limit themselves to important cases involving new or developing principles of law, especially those that are constitutional in nature;I.e.euthanasia) It's no secret that the Neo cons tentacles extend and influence supreme court nominations.(with a possibly of 3 judges departing shortly, Rehnquist, O'Connor, and the other old fart)I wouldnt trust them at all. Leaving it to the discretionary decision of the judge/health care surrogate (whose judicial seat was bought and paid for) is farcical. (All they would need is a single landmark decision that will set a legal precedent;stare decisis) the state should act by considering the ethical and social ramification of the issue(pass a bill that denies right to die without a will). Florida legislatures actually passed a law called "terri's law" that allowed the Governor to restore her feeding tube back in 2003. The power of religion in government is scary. With the republicans holding two branches of government captive and dangerously close to capturing the third how soon will it be before religion will govern the politics of the US. Check this intresting article Salaams.

Hadaad this definitely affects us, if not now then sooner or later it will. Congress is not ruling on euthanasia in general, but rather this specific case alone. The state/congress lawmakers were not lobbied by disability advocates or her parents but rather by advocates with a “right to life†agenda, primarily conservative religious groups. Albeit this intervention was not based on religion, its being catapulted by the same religious fanatics who are anti abortion, anti-fetal stem cell research, and for religion in government. This is an unambiguous demonstration of the power of lobbying. Saxiib backtrack from your lapse of tunnel vision, and ask yourself, what other absurd law are they going to advocate next This is reminiscent of the patriot act, and the blatant infringement of individual rights. Ask yourself whom does the patriot act primarily affect? Who lobbied Ashcroft to pass that law? how many muslims have been affected by it? (Even thought some of their principles are slightly parallel to Islamic beliefs, you have to be wary of their lobbying and ability to sway legislature) My take on this one will be that a surrogate decision maker should not make a decision for a vegetative individual regardless of his/her decision to waive the right to continue to live. Stoic let me beg the question, who is to pull the plug, the state? the person is in a vegetative state, incapable of thought, memory, or emotion; the body is merely a shell. Without a valid health proxy that states the prior wishes of an individual, you choose to leave this in the hands of hospital/state? They would not be willing to incur the cost to maintain them. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t, you will be compelled to make a choice.

Here's the link to the Wendy's Fiasco

YVW Raula, I too enjoyed that book, and that ode was beautiful. Shehe/Raula, if you’re interested in translated Somali poetry, here’s another great book. It includes classical poetry, traditional and modern songs, and religious poetry in Arabic. These are in Somali and English (except the Arabic ones). The introduction and footnotes are very informative. It’s probably out of print, but I’m sure you’ll find it collecting dust in some obscure corner of a library. Andrzejewski, B. W., & Lewis, I. M., 1964 Somali Poetry: An Introduction. Oxford: Clarendon Press. Evaluation of Somali poetic forms, with many examples, by a preeminent linguist and anthropologist.

This is a poem by Qamaan Bulxan translated by renowned linguist Andrzejewski. Qamaan Bulxan was a pastoralist born in the 1850’s.He played an important role in local politics and was a skilled orator. In praise of Barni Sheekh Among all the women to be seen at Qorraxey Those who dwell in the heart of the town And those who dwell in the countryside around The splendid wives and mothers, The no-longer wives, divorced long since The slips of girls with combed-up topknots The maidens sedate and sturdy Take them one and all together, And it is Barni Sheekh who excels in beauty! Fair of skin, her gums the color of the deep dark sea, She has the aspect of the crescent moon, With her glistening curls and her date brown hue She is a lustrous as a pearl, So tall is her stature, so upright her bearing, That you think you see a camelopard If you glimpse her from afar; There is strength in the builds of her body And she walks along at an easy pace, Her left arm swinging in a graceful rhythm That imparts beauty to her every step When you behold her dignified deportment, When you feel the yearning that her character inspires And discover the elegant beauty that God implanted in her Then your eyes will never cease their gazing. The world is vast indeed But however wide you may have roamed, No matter what far land you may have been, In what country have you ever had news? Of a girl like Barni Sheekh

Egypt, officially the Arab Republic of Egypt (Jumhuriyat Misr al-Arabiyah in Arabic), country in northeastern Africa and southwestern Asia. Most of the country lies in Africa, but the easternmost portion of Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula, is usually considered part of Asia; it forms the only land bridge between the two continents. That’s a copy/paste thanks to google. General section = off topic miya ?

Iskey, here's a few. 1. Ready or not - After7 2. Taste Love - Freddie Jackson 3. Love calls - Kem (slow jam with a touch of jazz, nice one) 4. Your all I need – isley brothers. 5. Voyage to atlantis – isley brothers

but is anyone else excited at Somalia finally having a new president I think it’s a complete farce. Not excited at all especially after seeing the parade of “presidential†candidates. (The mad Col and the rest of the degenerate contenders, are not fit to lead a donkey let alone rebiuld a nation) Think of the opportunities!!! Im a pessimist by nature; I’m not willing to drop everything, to go back home and face an imbecile who wouldn’t think twice about giving me or denying me an job cause im from reer john doe (regardless of my credentials). When they are real elections with credible candidates, I would definitely love to go back, till then the eastern seaboard is home for me.

The conspiracy theorists further prophesied that the centralized system was just a test case for the real goal: to disseminate a single Friday Prayer sermon, written, naturally, in Langley, Va. Langley analysts writting Friday sermons!! Intresting but way too far-fetched i think.

Asalamu Alaykum, Brother Nur I'd be intrested in the following 2 articles. 9. Freedom is like light, the higher the source, the wider its scope 11. Run Away from your problems, literally, Long Distance running and Taraawiih Prayers, Soul Body and Mind tuning, an e-Nuri Analogy. Many thanks.