Barre had to remove some in order to pacify the terrible quandaries that the city faced at that time, actions that are justifiable. Sol's political side never ceases to amaze me. War hedhe what direction was your moral compass pointing at, when you penned this hasty filth you call a response. Since when did murder become acceptable?

I should have trusted my director of propaganda's instincts when he warned me. Look what I stumbled across in my mailbox. Someone has spread malicious rumours about your team and your players. The entire press is now chasing the players making it difficult for them to concentrate on football and they lose some form. No one has any clue as to where these groundless accusations are coming from Soma Inc, you would'nt happen to know anything about this, know would you.

Eid Wanaagsan All ......

^^^ ..Enjoy the gloating while the success is still there. You realize though the 5 point difference you have is due to the first game against didas that you won by default Anyway, if your looking for a challenge, we face you in a couple of games. Come prepared and you wont get off so easily like you did last time ... No disallowed goals will occur this time around. :mad:

North my brother, even after injuring and sidelining my star player you still went down. Nice game though, but come better prepared next time. :cool: Im already feeling lenient for islamaha pensionerska . I think ill let my second string warm up with them. P.s. Warye Admin, check the forum im missing some major money, you aint siphoning them by any chance, are you?

Taqwa saxib, whats with the double standard? There’s no need to condone someones mistakes when they’re obviously wrong. Alle Ubaahnes comments and habaar are way out of line, and its very inappropriate for you to say “if his comments came from the fact that he loves Islam then over look his faults†If we do not correct each other’s faults who will? Nobody is perfect and constructive criticism (in any field or context) is always needed. P.s Iftar wanagsan all.

Rokko bal ila arag odeygan 187 islamaha pensionerska 5-0 ku dhuftey Alaah saan u qoslay, kocda didas in la gacaan qabto waye. 187 you won by default saxib, didas must have gone into the pitch with 10 players. Gediid, what happened to the friendly we were supposed to have. Erased since the tournament started miya? Next on the chopping block for me is liverpool, North your going down bro Too early to gloat about how I mopped the pitch with the boredome boys..

See wax uu Jiraan. Dont you think you guys are being a little bit too judgemental.

Mate, are u so hungry u're seeing chicken in my posts? Alla Beerka, you really cracked me up, and had me scroling up looking to see if you mentioned chicken .... Haji Alle-Ubaahne tartiib saxib, afuur is around the corner. P.s Nothing beats Salmon for afuur, healthy and light

Applied! The last time I showed any remote interest in footie was in the era of lothar mathues, rudi voller, klinsman,etc..ahh bayern munich the memorize..Anyway Guyz bewarned I might be rusty but not incompetent Ramadhan Kareem all

^^Im with you that. Im of the ol school class on this. If I am to indulge and purchase a "toy" I prefer to physically examine the product, test it if possible, and only then will I dip into my pocket. Books are the only exception to this rule.

Raqiid aka Horn, close saxib 4 out of 8 . However you missed some obvious ones. Re-examine these. - "Ama malluugii isbiday mudnaan ku maageertay"----> Cabdulaahi Ahmed Caddow. -"Ama hormoodkii musuqmaasuq dabinkiisi maleegin"-Cabdulaahi Yusuf Axmed. -"Ama maahsanaha dhuukin kartidiisu marantahay" ----> Muuse Suude Yalaxow -"Ama Warabihii magaaladu mirtiisii weli deynin" ----> Cismaan Caato.

Casto, Discussing hypothetical scenarios that pertain to technological advancments, will only lead to flawed arguments.(would you not agree) I cannot argue for or against I.e. Nano technology stopping Mt Etna from erupting again. Justly, I will steer clear of that angle. However, I will concede that manipulating nature is plausible to some extent and is an everyday occurence but, the implication of controlling it I find very erroneous. Semantics my friend , semantics. What playing god has to do with that, I'm not sure I understand. I'll clarify the "playing God" connotation for you. Nature is one of Allahs creations that he controls and wills. He may deny any aspect of its power when he wills or reverse it's affects when he wills. They are predefined processes which function without or in spite of human intervention. Comprende? Please dont let my explanation delve us further into a reason Vs faith argument. If you elect to exploit the loopholes philosophical rationalists rely on, I will humbly bow out. Not to isinuate you are one On the other hand, divine retribution to earthly prodigality is mentioned in the Quran repeatedly. But those were ancient theodicies. Nowadays, we know when a hurricane has its beginnings off the west coast of Africa. Ok,are you being incoherant, or am I missing something here. In the italic portion you acknowledge that theodicies are spoken of in the Quraan, and thus exist?ed (right) Then you vaguely state they were ancient. Meaning what?, they dont exist no more, they were occurences of the past, and theodicies have ceased? You then make a 180 degree turn, and hurdle into technology and how we can now track hurricanes. Fadlan join the dots for me and expound on the correlation (if any) further before I attempt to fully engage the notions ambiguously stated. Gracias.

This original poem was penned days before the elections. Below is the translated english version. Here is a more structured format of the Somali piece. Enjoy. A PREY TO LIQUIDATION Discourse longs for an idea with potential Emerging from darkness the mind fails to fathom it It creates no wisdom but loses all sense of direction The news we have now received was so unexpected The people showed dismay as it was being reported. If Muluqmuluq dares to run for the presidency today Or the timid daydreamer is devoid of any efficiency Or the self-conceited phantom claims exclusive eligibility Or the colic buster hones his dagger for action Or the imposter to the post is misguided by militancy Or the city’s hyena has yet to give up his night prowl Or the dean of corruption is laying his secret traps Or the one who missed his chance cries foul all day Or the crowd thronged at the forum is led by greed One envisions no results from this inept leadership All taking turns in the arid squabbles of tangled politics While seeking to realize hidden goals by political ruses While offering neither bread nor any mental nutriment Alas! The oafish populace ignorant of their interests Trumpet wild applause and vibrant ululations for them That we are exposed to demise needs no confirmation Haven’t we chosen nakedness over honor and integrity? Hasn’t our Somali name been buried with shame today? Our disoriented minds fail to grasp our situation Our condition of life is indeed a cause for deep concern Vacillation being worthless, let me state the bitter truth Solidarity births dignity and a richer burst of life Although laying claim to great power and huge wealth America could not dispense without European support Cramped by let-down, brotherhood yields no fruition It provides no practical aid nor fixes any messy disrepair It merely fosters clan jealousy, provocation and battle cry Eradication ensuing, salvation is sought in asylum Have we formulated policy in the darkness of ignorance? Has colonialism crippled us with inept management? Proverbs convey to us wisdom through literary clarity When death calls, the victim loses all power of hearing People are unhappy with a discourse not given by a savvy nose When inept leadership rules the roost, a nation’s resources are extinguished. Those who fail to achieve unity fall prey to liquidation.

Congrats to the newly appointed Mods. Farewell and thanks to the departing ones. Rudy, you have my vote...

Comrade Castro, my apologies for the late response. Time has not been kind to me. I get the impression the author is excusing the shameful response to the NO disaster. Politically, he claims, the Bush administration should not be brought to the altar for what is a natural and even expected event. That's only half the truth. While Katrina itself is natural, the response was anything but. I concur with the portion of your post above, but find the rest of your assessment, perplexing to say the least. Your inference that in the near future we will be able to "Control and Harness" Mother nature (hurricanes) is absurd (No pun intended). Granted forecasting technology has advanced from the yesteryears, its only added advantage is providing an opaque sneak peek at what is to come; amigo,mother nature is unpredictable. Even With this added advantage we are still and always will be very vulnarable to her wrath. No amount of technology will get us out of react mode, and into a proactive stance, and verily control or harness it as you insinuated. It is simply not feasible, not now or in the near future, for that is akin to playing God. As for the article, I wish it included Islamic philosophers take on theodicies (if any) Time permitting, I will attempt to research this and Insha Allah report back. Till then, Adios muchacho.

Fear of failure motivates me....that is when im not in self destruct mode, which I happen to lapse into every other season .......

Nothing beats good ol fashioned Tim Hortons, and Dunkin Donuts .....starbucks kulahaa...

In the history of humankind, there has rarely been a disaster like the New Orleans flood without a theodicy to go along with it. The word "theodicy," coined in the 18th century by the philosopher Gottfried Leibniz, derives from Greek roots invoking the "justice of the gods." A theodicy is an attempt to show that such justice exists, to prove that we really do live in what Leibniz insisted was the "best of all possible worlds." So theodicies have been plentiful after earthquakes, floods and droughts. Explanations are readily offered: disasters are the wages of sin, they herald an apocalyptic age, they cleanse the earth of evil. Theodicies aim to demonstrate that devastation does not really disrupt or overturn our understanding of the moral and social order. Instead, disorder provides evidence of order. The theodicy is that order. It explains forces that seem to lie beyond human powers, evils that lie beyond human cause. Theodicies are not casual matters, and in the weeks after Katrina, they are bound to evolve, even in secular culture, even when they may not resemble the ones that Leibniz had in mind. So they need to be better understood. The classic theodicies in the West are biblical. The flood of Noah's time, for example, is a reflection of the divine will, cleansing the earth of humanity's evil. A more powerful theodicy later evolved out of the trials of the ancient Israelites, in which destruction and exile were treated not as random accidents of history, but as forms of retribution for violating the Mosaic law and its ethical consequences. Suffering could become proof of divine attention and not its opposite. Scholars like Norman Cohn have shown how in medieval Europe the worst human trauma could be interpreted as proof of imminent apocalypse and redemption, inspiring millennial expectations and movements. Meanwhile, the theodicy of divine retribution still thrives today and was invoked by some fundamentalist believers after Katrina. But between medieval Europe and contemporary America something profound changed in the way natural disasters are interpreted and the kinds of theodicies they inspire. And one of the turning points, as many scholars have argued, was the 1755 earthquake in Lisbon. It destroyed perhaps a third of the city's population, with deaths in the tens of thousands. It overturned the confidence of European royalty and seemed to drive a wedge between the earthly and divine realms. For the growing forces of the Enlightenment, it also seemed to overturn the very idea that a theodicy could account for the disaster. Voltaire, who had once seen nature as benevolent, was whipped into a rationalist fury by the experience. Leibniz, he believed, had been refuted by nature. Voltaire wrote a "Poem on the Disaster of Lisbon" in which the quake's victims are called "Tormented atoms on a heap of muck/ That death devours and that fate trips up." His character Candide watches the earthquake from a distance, seeing it as morally blind, killing the good and preserving the wicked. In a sense, the earthquake actually ended up strengthening the hand of the Enlightenment, as if a replacement theodicy had fallen into place. Kant wrote about the quake. Scientific investigation took place. The response of Portugal's prime minister to the disaster was practical, not religious. "We will bury the dead," he said, "and take care of the living." Recently, the philosopher Susan Neiman argued in "Evil in Modern Thought" that the Lisbon earthquake also destroyed an ancient idea that nature could itself be evil. After Lisbon, she argued, moral evil was distinguished from natural disaster. Earthquakes and floods could no longer be fitted into traditional religious theodicies. But this did not mean, of course, that theodicies faded away. Ms. Neiman argued that for philosophers theology had been replaced by history. The fates of peoples and nations reflected other forces, and disruptions were given other forms of explanation. Hegel saw history as an evolutionary series of transformations in which destruction was as inevitable as birth. Marx believed other kinds of economic and human laws accounted for destruction and evolution. This mostly left natural disasters for the growing realm of science: if they couldn't be prevented, at least their origins could be understood. Now though, with the prospect of thousands of dead becoming plausible with reports from New Orleans, other forms of theodicy also taking shape. Much debate is taking place about the scale of human tragedy, about procedures and planning and responsibility. And none of that should be ignored. But it is remarkable how this natural disaster has almost imperceptibly come to seem the result of human agency, as if failures in planning were almost evidence of cause, as if forces of nature were subject to human oversight. The hurricane has been humanized. I don't want to push this too far, of course; human actions, as the Portuguese prime minister knew, are crucial. But this is still an important change in our views of the natural world. In a way, it inflates human knowledge. It confidently extends scientific and political power into the realm of nature. It doesn't really explain catastrophe, but it attempts to explain why we are forced to experience it: because of human failings. There is a theodicy at work here, in the ways in which the reaction to natural catastrophe so readily becomes political. Nature becomes something to be managed or mismanaged; it lies within the political order, not outside it. Theodicy, if successful, does not overturn belief but confirms it. So, for some commentators, the flood and its aftermath provided confirmation of their previous doubts about the Bush adminstration. Actually, in some respects, this theodicy has gone even beyond the political: just as a religious theodicy might have shown natural catastrophe to be the result of human misdeed, many of the early commentators about the flood did the same, creating a kind of scientific/moral theodicy in which human sin is still a dominant factor. Last week, for example, Germany's minister of the environment, Jürgen Trittin, said: "The American president has closed his eyes to the economic and human damage that natural catastrophes such as Katrina - in other words, disasters caused by a lack of climate protection measures - can visit on his country." All of these explanations are subject to examination and debate of course, but in the heart of a secular age, they are also something else. They are theodicies. And in the face of nature's awesome and horrific powers, the prospect of political retribution is as prevalent as the promise of divine retribution once was. Source

Sad situation, I can even begin to fathom the heartache reer lousiana are going through. The three major car dealers (Ford, GM, etc) have the nerve to announce they will defer car payments for at least 3 months till the unfortunate get back on their feet.....like it's gonna take 3 months to get back on your feet! Anyway, with the gas prices skyrocketing there goes my labor day weekend travelling plans, home sweet home its gonna be

I like the optimism portrayed in the face of adversity.....nice poem, I enjoyed it.

Originally posted by Haddad In the US, the one who is hiding a relative who commited a crime, or helps him/her get away, cannot be prosecuted or punished. I would think Canada has a similar law Errm... Aiding and Abetting is serious charge that carries a sentence, and this includes white-collar crimes as well. On the issue: I agree with FF, were all morally obligated to uphold our part, but the question ought be can you live with your decision. If you happen to turn in your "wanted" cousin whose got an APB out on him, how much would that weigh on your conscience? Personally I wouldnt do it, nor would I help him in any shape, form, or fashion other than giving him sound advice to turn himself in. You reap what you sow, no shortcuts in life.

Lol@Zeph....If I was a gambling man I would wager there's a hint of sarcasm in your comment . Anyway ever watch the movie Belly? Thats where the handle comes from (I draw slight similarities to the character).... besides I am very discreet and sincere.. (im kidding dont read anything into that) Exits quitely before this thread erupts in righteous indignation

Quoted by Gediid. Sore azz haters.Why not just say thank you to who ever was responsible for this instead of all this BS.Whether its a flea market or mall isnt the issue here and I would think you would remember before you write some dumb remark like the ones above Somalis are relatively new to this nation(all or most having come here as refugees with lil or no money in their pockets) and this after only a short stay here, surely this is a sign of better and greater things to come in the future. Today its the Global mall tommorrow who knows.......... Whats with the cheap insults floating around SOL nowadays. War hedhe Gediid I dont recall saying anything negative or dumb. Perhaps you own a stall there, and if so, I apologize profusely if I hit a raw nerve. I dont understand what the other 3/4 of your post is insinuating. Thanking the responsible ones ... Refugees with lil or no money...signs of better things to come.. Earth to Gediid, stop reading to much into the tarot cards. I envy your optimisim but lets just call a spade a spade. P.s. If its any consolation, I do support my community and Im a reguler face at the barber shop and the travel agency located there.