Xiin, Soo layaab maaha, a classic double standard Reer Sool, Sanaag & Cayn support united Somalia and don't want to join any entity with a secessionist agenda

Originally posted by Mslm: Red Sea: ^^^SOO MAAL, So basically you are saying those who support Puntland and Cadde Muse are the real folks of Sool while those who support Somaliland are traitors and irrelavant? That is rich mr. Soo maal. Besides when you say the people of Sool are you also including those from Gorowe and Galkcayo, because they are also involved? clearify those thigns for me please. Mr. Red sea when you talk about about somalilanders, do you mean those who support riyaale are the real somalilanders, while those who support the unity of Somalia are traitors Be serious Red sea, you admitted many times in previous threads that the majority of the people of Sool, sanag and Cayn support Puntland for tribal reasons, when others were saying that people of northwest (Hargeysa, Burco) support Somaliland for tribal reasons So what have changed since? Nothing, Habsade was fired that’s all Haabsade, his militia (funded by SL) and riyaale’ militia cannot force the people of Sool, SL militia couldn't enter inside Laascaanood town, because they unwanted and unwelcome Haabsade is a very corrupted individual like Ryaale (the infamous spy) and Cadde, Haabsade cares only about his interests, some job opportunity, I respect if people of Northwest if they choose to secede from Somalia

Red sea, There are people of Sool, Sanaag, & Cayn, How about if we say there are no such think as somalilanders, northwestern Somalis? Lets respect each other The recent invasion of Laascaanood was a clear aggression of Riyaale’s clan militia against the people of Sool, its better not to justify the actions of Riyaale this isn't certain tribe from Hargeysa vs. reer sool as you would like us to believe We hope that’s not the case, but clearly its Riyaale clan militia and his supporters from the secessionist camp vs people of Sool but this is reer awdal, Hargeysa, burco borama, and reer Sool themsleves vs. reer sool+ Puntland. That’s not the truth, but a fabricated propaganda, only some secessionists believe it The majority of people of Sool are united to liberate their land, of course Haabsade and his militia (funded by riyaale) are irrelevant

Mugrim Riyaale, wax uu ka ogyahay jihaad ma jirtu

Red sea, The majority of American supported Bush’s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, Most Americans supported Mr. Bush’s war adventures, that’s why he was elected two consecutive terms, they still support a possible military action against what they call a rogue nations like Iran The reason why Bush has low approval rate currently, is because he failed stabilizing Iraq. the situation in Iraq is extremely discouraging, America lost billions of dollars in this disastrous venture, thus America lost its stature around the world and cannot threaten more nations like Iran, Syria, Sudan etc Presently, Mr. Riyaala is popular more then ever in northwest (Hargeysa, Burco, Barbera) because of his current invasion and unjust occupation of Laascaanood, and it appears for now that Riyaale will be re-elected just like Bush in 2004, but soon Riyaale will fail in Laascaanood and his clan entity will pay a heavy price People of Laascaanood will liberate their land, hopefully before his re-election bid People of Laascaanood know that Riyales clan militia is only interested in land grab, resources grab, unattainable recognition, and securing the irrelevant borders curved by British Gaalo invaders, just like America is only interested in Iraqi oil grab, and Iraq strategic location near Middle eastern oil fields There is really no difference between the puppet entity of TFG and the puppet entity of Somaliland other then that Somaliland is your clan-entity Both TFG and Somaliland are Ethiopian tools Why do you support Riyaale and his clan militia invasion of Laascaanood the day following the eid, why do you have to make excuses for their clear aggression against the people of Laascaanood? Because of the false excuse that some nonexistent locals support us, when Riyaale recruited ignorant young men (dabodhilif) from Adhicadeeye area, just like America is recruiting Iraqi young men to continue its occupation of Iraq Why do you have to support Riyaale and his militia baffling determination to oppress people of Laascaanood? Its hypocrisy to argue I support Somaliland for oppressing certain people, while I oppose TFG for oppressing others No one saying that red sea shouldn’t support his home-region northwest (Somaliland), what we saying is its wrong for you to support your Somaliland to use violence, invade and oppress others, in this case the people of Laascaanood Red sea, its you walaal who mixing up the two, and making it 2 for 1, you can support your Somaliland thats actually good, but to support the Naked Aggression against the Peaceful Region of Sool is totally unacceptable and inexcusable.

Jac, Anuu xaqiiq jirta uun baan sheegay, in cidina soo wakiilan Baashe, xitaa kuwa uu la joogana eenan waxba ka dhageesan Marka anuu manaan caytamin, adaa caan ku ah beenta iyo cayda Mr Baashe himself said, that no one listens to him, no one talks to him, no one takes his advice about anything etc Of course because he really doesn't not represent no one Even, I have provided the link, just read the interview, now blame Mr. Baashe for acknowledging the facts most people from Sool disagree with him, and that’s all that matter, of course secessionists agree with him since he works for them [ October 19, 2007, 04:48 AM: Message edited by: SOO MAAL ]

It’s just a simple fact that Baashe doesn’t represent the people of Sool, Qof asagu cadeeyey in uu waxba ogeen, waxba la weydiin, waxba loo sheegin, waxba lagala tashan, waa qof aad macno daran, wax matara ah, oo cid uu matali karo haba yaraatee majirtu iyo ciduu wax ku kordhin karo Its you who is hypocritical and dishonest when you say Buubaa, Kaluun, Sifir, Jaamac Yare, Maareeye, etc don’t represent the people of the northwest region

Originally posted by Fatah_Al_Soomaal: Didnt he say something about brining Ethio troops god forbid? Fatah, Garaad Jaamac never ever said something about brining Ethio troops, You can listen to the interview The Garaad said since both Puntland and Somaliland are Ethiopian puppets, international community, neighboring countries etc all parties must intervene and pressure Ethiopia to influence its puppet regimes in Somalia and Melez should talk to Riyaale/Cadde and say to them to behave and exercise restraint

MMA, Garaad Jaamac was very outspoken and frank about the current situation in Sool, I don’t how you missed the news, unless you were more interested to criticizes him by talking about irrelevant stuff like his trips calling it “dibadwareeg”, jufadiis hoose, etc The Garaad many times have called for Somaliland to stop its war on Laascaanood and all SSC region, but its clear that Somaliland is determined to NOT listen to the Garaad and the people of Sool who are against the secession and don’t to be part of the clan entity of Somaliland All the traditional leaders of SSC led by Garaad Jaamac have already released a joint statement regarding their position about the current situation in SSC region In the statement, all the traditional leaders said that Sool, Sanaag, & Cayn are part of Puntland state of Somalia. Also demanded that Somaliland must stop its aggression against the SSC region They said we advice the international community to urge Somaliland to withdrew its militia from their SSC region peacefully, because we want to have a good relations with Somaliland as neighbors, Finally, we decided and ready to defend our land from Somaliland, and we run out of patience Markacadey.net: Baaq ay soo saareen Isimada gobollada Sool, Sanaag iyo Cayn (Date October 3, 2007) Audio /Hornafrik.com: Garaad Jaamac oo uga digey maamulka Somaliland gardarada ee ku hayaan gobolada SSC (October 02, 2007) In the interview the Garaad said 99% of the people of SSC, support Puntland and United Somalia, and Somaliland is wrong to use force against the people of SSC

Originally posted Cige: wasiirka Warfaafintu wax been ah ma sheegin, mise waxaa la leeyahay wax aan uurkkagaga ku jirin afkaaga ka dheh. Waxa uu sheegay waa runtiis hadalkuna waa cad yahay, nin iska hadlay oo marna PL marna SL la jira hadalkiisu wax kla soo qaad ma leh. Adkayso ku dhaha ninka hargeysa wasiirka ku aflagaadaynaya Cige, wasiirkiinu been ma sheegin, lakiin hadal cadaawad dheer ku jirtu oo dhamaan dadka saameenaya ayuu ku hadlay Waxaa xaqiiq ah inuu Baashe, yahay nin iska hadlay, oo hadalkiisu wax kasoo qaad laheen Waayo asaga laftiisa ayaa cadeeyey inay cidna wax weydiin, ama la tashan Sababta uu hunguri halkaa uga dayey ayaaba faduul ah, markii horaba Originally posted by -: And that's fate reer Sool uu la rabo....Amazing Dhiiq wuu qulquli, but unfortunately it will be on both sides. The short-sightedness of some will cost of Northern Somalia a heavy price. by, Illaahay baa ka badbaadinaya reer Sool, dulmiga iyo gardarada ee wadaan, Insha Allah Hadii nabadii iyo jaar wanaagii la diiday, bal ha la arko waxa laga helo dagaal iyo cadaawad Horaa looyidhi ninkii dhoof ku yimi bay geeridu dhibayasaa

Brother Sophist, Insha Allah, we will reclaim our peaceful Laascaanood, and liberate our people and our region SSC from the invaders

I don’t see the difference between the one who support the puppet entity of TFG, and the one who support the other puppet entity of Somaliland Dhamaan maamulada Somalia manta ka jiraa ayaa xabashida u adeega, mid kasta waxuu u tartamayaa siduu kale uga dheereen lahaa xabashiga, waxaa la yaab badan mid kasta somali kale ee walaalkii ayuu u xoog weynyahay, xaqdarada waa uu ku taageerayaan kooxdooda I don't understand why blame Caamir? When all of you are same some of you were supporting the aggression of Riyaale's clan militia against the people of Laascaanood, I think that’s worse then posting of an article that just criticizes a political entity

Although Mr. Baashe is from Sool, he doesn't represent people of Sool, so what he says is insignificant Ninkan wax uu ogyahay majirtu, cidna wax kalama tashtu suu asagu laftiisu cadeeyey "Arrimaha Gobolka Sool Waxba Nalagama Tashato Noogamana Sheegto Xukuumaddu [somaliland], Waxbana Kama Ogin Halka Xaal Marayo" Gudoomiye Baashe Maxamed Faarax

Waa runtaa Mansa ilaa NABADU noqoto wax la wada jeclaysto, oo aan qolo gaar ah, dan u ahayn. Xal Somalia malaha Hadii nabadii iyo jaar wanaagii la diiday, bal hala arko waxa laga faaido dagaal iyo colaad aan cidna dan ugu jirin Reer Sool hada waa inay jabhadeen bilabaan si ee u xoreeyaan dadkooda iyo dhulkooda The one who supports the Riyaale's clan militia and their Tigray allies, and the one who TFG and their tigrey and their Tigray allies are both in same boat

Mslm Red Sea, Waanu is fahamnay,anagu kaaf iyo kala dheeri, markaa halkaa ha noojoogtu, What would your sentiments towards Puntland be I didn’t ask you your sentiment toward Somaliland, although Somaliland is waging unjustified war against the people of SSC, because I know you support them for the obvious reasons Besides if the TFG invaded Somaliland the only supporters it would have from Somaliland would be those you mentioned, Thats not true,It’s easy they will hire ignorant young men from Hargeysa/Burco who will the form militia (whole sub-clans) Recently, all Garaads of SSC have jointly produced a declaration demanding the Riyaale’ clan militia to leave their land and stop the aggression It’s undisputable fact that all subclans of SSC led By Garaad Jaamac and other Garaads are against the aggression of Somaliland against the people of SSC

Mslm Red sea, Anyone who is really bit concerned about violence or displacement of the people, shouldn’t not support or make excuses for your Riyaale clan militia, Sheekadii Siyaad ba la timid, oo oran jiray dadkani maaha dad shisheeye ah waa dad somali ah, markii ee snm cadowga xabashida u adeegasay Already, there is displacement, killing, looting etc in Sool region, Riyaale’s clan militia will pay a heavy price Dhibaatada ka jirtay Somalia 20 sano ee lasoo dhaafay inta badan waxaa geesanayey somali dhaqan soomaali iyo muslim haysata, arrintu waxeeba sii xuntahay markuu somalidu intay goboladoodii ka yimaadaan soomaali kale ku duulaan oo barakiciyaan, dil, dhac iyo wax ka daran geestaan Somaliland hadii ee dagaal u kulul yihiin waxa ee aheed inay xabashida la dagaalamaan, inta dad somali iyo muslim ah kusoo duulayaan maalmo ciida barakaysan lagu jiro

Mslm Red sea, Below is what the collaborator Baashe has to say about the situation in his home region Sool 'Arrimaha Gobolka Sool Waxba Nalagama Tashato Noogamana Sheegto Xukuumaddu, Waxbana Kama Ogin Halka Xaal Marayo' Guddomiye Baashe Maxamed Faarax Therefore few collaborators will not be an excuse, call them whatever u want minister, deputy, member of parliament etc If tomorrow, TFG invades Burco or Hargeysa, and send delegation of 10 (call it huge delegation), will you say lets give chance Buubaa? I think you will not give them, because you think Buubaa, sifir, kalluun, are triators Buubaa, Kaluun, sifir iyo Maareeyo also are native Northwest who have every bit of right as the next Hargeysaawi or Burcaawi Egal, Riyaale,Abdirahman Cirro, Waraabe were all working for Siyad regime, in 1988 during the northwest civil war, so few hired individuals cannot change anything Few opportunist traitors and a paid militia should never be an excuse Hadii nabadii iyo jaar wanaagii la diiday, bal hala arko waxa laga faaido dagaal iyo colaad aan cidna dan ugu jirin

maanta kama qasna Hargeysa, hurdadu halkey kuu joogtaa Kuwii oo la yidhi xuduudkii gaalka ingriisku katagay baa lagu sii dhowaanayaa

Mslm Red Sea; The huge majority of the people of Sool, Sanaag & Cayn are against the secession and the Riyaale’s clan militia, and leave the SSCland Also not long ago all the leaders of SSC have jointly demanded Riyaale’s clan militia to stop its aggression Originally posted by Red sea;Originally posted by Red sea; kuwa mawqifka somaliland taageersan ee udhashay meesha maxaad ka odhan lahayd, because obviously there are folks hailing from the area that support SL and are along side the SL troops? Every invader uses the cheap excuse that there is some imaginary locals support the occupation of their local hometown, Bush always says that Iraqis support America, when it’s only few traitors that support In 1988, there were thousands of folks hailing from the northwest, that were supporting Siyad government and were fighting alongside Somali army Most of Somaliland leaders were still working for Siyad regome in 1988 during northwest civil war, Egal was working as ambassador in India, Riyaale was a senior NSS officer, Waraabe was spy, and the current SL parliamentary speaker was somali diplomat in Moscow, all of them were working for Siyad adminstration, just like how presently Buubaa is working for the TFG, Few opportunist politicians and a paid militia should never be an excuse Sool politics have shifted perhaps to not the favor of some or perhaps it might not be accepted by some of us, but so is the times that we live in. waa aduunyo laqabsada haka dhicinee. Aduunyadii baa kuwa waashay, tani mid aanu la qabsanano maaha Its obvious that secessionists are in celebratory mood, Enjoy the time guys

Point, ORer Sool who support Somaliland are few. About the same as Somalilanders who support the TFG. But why take my word for it. Go see what the Garaad has to say. He is the one who represents the people of Sool. Let me give you the lowdown - he and the vast majority of his folks don't support Somaliland or secession. The Rer are not divided. They have like all Somali rers those that are available for purchase and who go to the highest bidders. Well said, it’s a fact that 99% of people of Sool Sanaag and Cayn are against the secession, As Xiin said the secessionists are drunk with victory and imaginary colonial drawn by British invaders, they have no appetite for any kind of logic or reason Its very clear that secessionists choose a war and don’t want peace, people of Sool were very patient for long time, Now its time to say enough is enough The invasion of Riyaale’s clan militia of Laascaanood was not surprising, for the last few years they were constantly attacking Laascaanood to close imaginary border line drawn by British invaders Riyaale’s clan militia took over Laascaanood, when they were allowed to stay Adhicadeeye for indefinite time to hire ignorant young men who only care about few dollars The status qua of Adhicadeeye was unacceptable and worse, now that all SSC region is occupied, its time for people of SSC to defend and liberate their land Hadii nabadii iyo jaar wanaagii la diiday, bal hala arko waxa laga faaido dagaal iyo colaad aan cidna dan ugu jirin

Bariga, You are right onlf is a tribal faction, just like Hiiraanland, Somaliland, Puntland, snm, ssdf,etc But onlf is not terrorist movement, its liberation movement We should all work together to restore the respected pan-somali liberation movement WSLF (Western Somalia Liberation Front) As long as Somalis are divided Ethiopia will continue interfering Somali affairs, and dictate to so-called Somali leaders

Odey warlord ah, iyo wiil yar oo AK47 loo dhiibay ayuu dalkii ka degi la’yahay

Thanks Caamir, our country Somalia, is really beautiful

Under the current system every constituency elects its representative in queens park, it’s a democratic every MPP is accountable to his voters. However under the proposed system it’s undemocratic, the party is appointing the members of the parliament not the people, and so people are electing the party not individuals, there will be unqualified members in the parliament, who are not accountable to the voters since the voters didn’t elect them

the secession notion is busted