Salaama calaikum kuligiin Walaalayaal dhamaantiin kheyr baan idiin rajaynayaa iyo jano aamiin. Anigu waan iskasii soconayaa ee macasalaamo kuligiin. Nur aad baad ugu mahadsnatahay qoraalkaaga badan maasha ALLAH aan kaaga baranay ilaahay intaas kusiiyay ayaan in kabadan kaaga tuugayaa. Aakhirona intii rabi doortay hakugu daro aamin. Camal kaaga aduunyada mid laga faaisaysto Alla hakadigo, adigana marqaati kuunoqda aakhiro aamiin. Intiina kalena sidaas oo kale aamiin. Nabaday.

Islah ingiriiska majoogaan tolow ?

Brother B G I also believe that people should not be provoking others. But especially so when you are the weaker one. No man should relly entirely on the good will of others and it is very important that people build themselves upright and strong. When someone provokes others and they know themselves to be the weaker ones the are obviously not relying on their own ability to defend themselves if the other party should be less virtues than themselves. So in my opinion they are either relying on the international community to feel sorry for them and intervene on such grounds as national sovereignty, first strikes are illegal, un-proportional retaliation which do not apply in this world anymore. Or they are relying on Devine intervention. My question regarding jihad was very similar in that is it not a requirement that one first tries to get to strength in iiman, in body and in skills or knowledge before one can think of anything else. This would then be jihad no 1 i presume. Or if the conditions that would enable the accomplishment of jihad no 1 are the ones being obstructed forcefully then you may have the right to jihad 1. In short if one was to forbid you to increase your iiman by force thereby refusing you the right to practice your religion then you would have a reason to wage jihad no 5 provided of course it is in your land/country. If not you should then have the right to leave freely i guess. I don’t know brother but it seems to me that many are calling for jihad when obviously it is their own bad choices that cause them misery on earth.

Very interesting dear brothers. So is there an order to all these jihads say for instance you can not wage jihad no 5 if you have not already won jihad no 1. Or more apllicable to our situation would then be no jihad 4 if 1,2,3 have not been achieved or atleast the means to their achievement. Say for example the achievement of jihad no 1 is dependent on religious freedom and of no 2 and 3 will then be dependent on freedoms of speech and association and so on. Or is it different

Shaken and deterred am glad you asked that question for i have also been asking myself the same question the other day. But for the sake of clarity we ought to first understand what it is the government we wish for ourselves is going to do for us and never forget that a government cannot do everything for a nation. We have to separate what it is the people should for themselves becuase they have decided that it is something that they vallue allot and would like to have it maybe even at some distress. After all my opinion is that even if we were say a wash with natural resources from which we could all live comfortably for the rest of time, we must learn to do things for ourselves and also for our environment. This simply means we must learn to work and contribute something rather than just live off what our land can provide. So our government is not then going to be the provider of livelihood and everybody else then be left utterly dependent on it but the other way around which is that each will have to contribute to pay for the functions of the government. This will not only force the government to be accountable to its citizens thereby making it efficient but it will also empower the people knowing that they own this government. Since the government will then be a tool of the people, the vallues it will uphold will have to come from the people themselves. Our religious communities will have thier work cut out and it wont be to force compliance but work form the bottom up and do the hard work, just like the prophets used to do-and that it to educate the people and call them to the ways of ALLAH. Teach mums and dads the Islamic way of bringing up children, help in organising an educational system that is in sync with our islamic vallues and so on. If they do their work properly those who will end up as governers will have to listen to a population that knows what it wants and are not shy to ask for it. I cannot say for sure that in the end our government will be islamic but if you believe as i do that those who follow islam properly will be better placed to succeed in life than the others, assuming here that the laws are just and applied consistently, then there is higher probabilitty that we will in the end have all forces alligned for the establishment of an islamic state.

Originally posted by Mujaahid Red Sea: This was declared way back and it was no more a computer keyboard dream.I can't believe you would insult somaliland this bad. You know Somaliland actually worked so hard to earn its statehood. ps. Abdimalik Askar aint to PhD, I don't even think he goes to school. He is local somali tv media host that works with zakiriye 'xaayow'. I wonder what it is that is wrong with this idea? As is said the two sides both claim it and fight over it why are they not allowed to govern themselves and spare many lives by doing so.

Sheikh Nur i enjoyed very much all of this. It was very sad to read about how somalis are treated in ethiopia and how now this has spread to somalis living in kenya and somalia itself. Now is done to us though that we havent done to ourselves and you are helping to minds. The funny part made me laugh aswell although i dont think many of our ladies will ever consider being a second wife. I have heard from folks that many of those registered in mosques as looking for a husband also stated their preference for a non-somali man. I dont realy know whether this is true or false.

Although i believe that there is no such a thing as legal way to gaining back or at least freeing the two regions i can also see no other alternative than to try and pursue those objectives through the international courts. This will probably require alot of evidence gathering such digging into the past records and also from current living conditions and behaviour of these nations towards the Somalis that will clearly show that they are mistreated and not seen as citizens. It is not going to be easy and i dont know how this is going to be done but it is important to show these western governments and more importantly to their citizens that they are neither so innocent nor will this go away so that they can sleep happily while their mistakes continue to cost lives and also that they are still able to right their past wrongs. Most of this work will have to be carried out by those somalis who are directly affected by all this but if they choose to go down this hard road of doing things peacefully any somali who does not lend a hand will not need an enemy for his/her conscience won let them rest in peace. This will also mean not lending a hand to those who choose violence because it will be counterproductive on many different levels including support of many foreigner and possibly also of somalis themselves. Besides if we go down this route and were to start gathering evidence of maltreatment these horrible governments wont be able to retaliate harshly since that, if caught on video, will add to the legitimacy of our cause. If they wont our cause will also be aided because our people will get atleast peace or freedom from physical harm and we can then push further for more freedoms including that of self determination. I understand some will argue that under certain conditions, especially those in Ethiopia where oppression is said to be so severe that the entire somali region can be likened to a large prison, the only channel left open is that of violent struggle. Still i strongly believe that all energy directed outwards aimlessly is energy lost while that directed within or targeted is the most fruitful that is why patience and endurance have the ability to increase our determination and focus while instant gratifications makes us weaker. For the work that has already piled up for us Somalis it beats me that we still do not know where we need to be heading as a people.

I would have preffered that the president resign, the pm to step up and the sheikh shariif for pm.

Jb intii meesha kudhimatay ILAAHAY haunaxariisto kuway katageena hakasamirsiiyo aamiin.

Xiin saxiib what do you make of this.

I have listened to some of his ideas and i believe he is has a lot going for him may ALLAH be by his side aamiin. Reer puntland have a promising young man and i think he deserves their support not only in choosing him for office but also in working with him to achieve those very important goals that he mentioned such as the establishement of law and order. I dont know whether he had something to say about how much of the puntland funds is to be sent to the federal government but if this TFG government is as bad as it is, it is very important that puntland should not divert funds to the TFG especially knowing that the TFG is likely to use such funds to kill some more somalis.

May GOD be with her aamiin.

Sxb magaranaayi si link soo suubiyo laakin hadii aad rabtid in aad dhagaysatid homepage kooda markii aad booqatid "sidee loo ciidaa" hoosteeda ayaa kahelaysaa kan "todobaadka iyo siyaasada somaaliyeed"

I have recently come across this weekly program and i find myself looking forward to the next one. I think this is so far the best program i have come across of its kind and i wonder what the opinion of the public of it. I personally dont normaly listen to bbc somali or the voa one. Are there any similar ones by any other cooperative somalis ?

If these accusations are correct i think somaliland government is making a mistake and is neglecting the very principles that it should have been protecting and promoting among its own citizens. If these refugees have escaped human rights abuses and persecutions they should not be returned to Ethiopia. It is these kinds of actions that make permanent our misery by maintaining and encouraging dictatorships in the horn of africa and africa as a whole. I hope the people of Somaliland will not let this happen and will demand that their government stand for human rights. The protection of human rights, i believe is also what spurs the prosperity that they need. Only a free people can be creative. If your government colludes to injustices that are done against other people and assuming that governments reciprocate support then you should expect the same for your people if GOD forbid your get a tyrannical government. Do not breed tyranny please. I hope that the Somaliland government being progressive as is boosted all around the world by your people, will reverses or stop taking decissions that are against the long term interests of its citizens. If as is said the Oromo refugees have a just cause please let stay and show that tyranny will not be tolerated anymore in somaliland. Only by this way can the right signals be sent which will, i hope change the way all our governments work.

Abtigiis i think you have a talent for telling stories. Dhulqarnayn dee waa run ee ninka weerarka aad kuwadid yaakhay kadaa saxiib.

I forgot to add you stand at the righ spot. May you now stand firm and break all this wind that is eroding our top soil making our land barren.

GOD bless somaliland and all somalis. I sincerely wish the very best for them and for all the rest of somalis everywhere and yes i also am an optimist and have been called naive before. It is true that i would would have loved more had we been united but since it is not very easy to make see others how important respect is for the development of a people, i will take justice any day to unity. True that as a separate nation somaliland will not cause any harm to somalia or to the cause of somalis anywhere else if they choose to seek thier independence peacefully. On the contrary, an indeendent somaliland would be good in focusing attention, for instance, on our losses thereby forcing compromises among the warring factions. A wake up call if you like not to take everything for granted. On the other hand at least a portion, say a large portion will also be allowed to move on in life and may choose to come to the aid of the rest if and when able to, by providing doctors or other forms of expertice in many other fields including good governance. Although i have most of my family living in puntland myself, if my advice was of any importance i would have adviced puntland or somalia not to fight over boundary for it really does not make that much difference to the somalis themselves, whether they are governed by one somali state or the other. This assumes that somaliland will govern with justice and provide equal opportunities to everybody. It is the lives that are more important since the land is really not going to any foreign nation as such.

Thanks you all for your kindness.

I wonder what the difference is between this bottoms up or building blocks is with the idea of federal government. Are they saying that somalia should now be divided into separate smaller countries all of them clan based. Wouldnt every stack up then require another level of controllers responsible for something and therefor having their own powers. In which case then it would not be really any different than what we now have and some would then most likely object when power at the uppermost level of the stack is one of a different tribe or clan. I personally think that federal government is the way forward and instead of seeking to devide us even further we ought to be searching for a solution to our dilema collectively. It would ofcourse help if we had leaders that were willing to work with each other for the national interests.

Dulqarnayn Good answers thanks. I personally dont think that anybody in somalia should be tried or threatened with a trial. This not because i think they are innocent of crimes but becuase i think that it may be in the best interest of all somalis that we all start a fresh. It may not be that easy to put blame on any on person and we were afterall in an allout war and a civil war at that. Secondly i think, in order not to make suffer anymore any civilian, it would be better to promise these warlords and alshabaab that their wont be any trial and we will put all previous happens down to experience and walk away from them. This would be a very powerful incentive for all concerned to do the right thing and instead of them being driven by insecurities of their fate if there was to be peace thus forcing them to hang more forcefully prolonging the war and the suffering of the people, they would then be able to in a neutral state of mind where compassion will have an equal or greater chance of winning over their hearts. Although i will always support imposing law and order upon unruly people for then instead of blaming after the deaths and destruction it can then be argued that the right thing was done and evil was avoided but force can only be used when a substancial portian of the population are one with the government in which case the rest can then be identified as criminals. If this is not the case then the government had a greater duty in bringing trust back to it and winning the hearts and minds of the citizens. I dont know how the government could havd accomplished this task but maybe it could have done this by for example constantly talking to them in an effort to calm them down. Maybe this could also have been done by other means but i have not really followed somali politics closely so you or others are in a better position to come up with other ways in which this could have worked without all the loses in life and property. Brute force that is damages more than it can solve is definatley the wrong method. Naturally things seem easier if you are a spectator than they really are and i am a spectator.

Could it be that the people arent making the efforts to fetch the water and so to drink. No one can really want things until they are willing to expend energy to getting what they desire. Currently however an unpropotional amount of energy is spent in decifering the details that all else dwindles in importance until all atrocities get justifications.

Dhulqarnayn I know that you probably have the best interest of all somalis at heart but i seriously think that our president has overspteped boundaries which must now define him as a bad guy whether he meant well or not. If for no other reason, his own admission that he will bomb civilians if the government was attacked from amongst them is a clear sign that the man does not and may not respect our citizens lifes let alone help create condition that will not only safeguard it but also promote life for all. I understand that the conditions in mogadishu may have been very hostile to the TFG but his leadership style is truly ancient and relies heavily on the use of physical force. However in order to move forward, i think he, if he had the best interest of our country at heart, should resign and set in motion a process by whcin he can hand over power to an administration that is more acceptable to the people of somalia.

Dhulqarnayn But in all honesty saxiib do really think that this man is even worth considering as a president anymore. He is at least partly responsible for this mess and the many dead and displaced. Why do you think he is to be supported and not deposed and tried ?