If I can't have both I'll go with Cleaner. Fame or Fortune?

C_K, I'm sorry your sweet innocent topic turned into yet another war-zone. I deeply apologize on behalf of myself as well as the aggressors. Originally posted by disillusioned-N-despondent: That should be an interesting conversation. Especially if am carrying my budh . is that some kind of caveman...oops I mean caveperson mentality I hear? DND, what happened? are you implying you want to cause actually physical damage??? I don't encourage violence and my comment about a foot is as has been grossly misunderstood : People I'd like to meet just to see if I'll get the urge to break my foot off in their a$$es I see people have selective reading skills mastered. the "to see if I'll get the urge" part of that sentence magically disappeared when read. DnD, I'll try and stay off your radar.

You girls need to relax, I didn't actually say I would do anything. Where did the love go????? :confused:

Originally posted by garab tuujiye: Under dogg ( cudur naag naceeb la dhaho aa qabtaa) "naag naceeb"??? easy there, partner :mad: . You see this is an perfect example of Communication Break-down. waxaas suuqa ha iigelinin. you're messing with my stock-price. Meeting people is a hard one. can't bring it down to ten and I won't even try. Instead I'll break up into sections: 1) People I'd like to sit down with and have an actual decent conversation; Caramel_kisses, Ameenah, DnD, Hibo, Nur. 2)People I'd like to meet just to see if I'll get the urge to break my foot off in their a$$es; - Opinionated (or whichever one of your multiple personalities you're using now) - X_quizit ( feel free to respect my opinion and not fire back a harsh response) - Athena the most improved, your stock went from junk status and is now hovering around the $2.28 mark - the rest of the junior faschist movement (Qac qaac can list them) 3)Guys I'd happily share a a big plate of Zab or Aroos Bariis and hilib; -Tuugiye (bas baska uduug) -Rudy , hopefully they got bariis eaten with no spoons in Cali so you don't get left behind. -darman - Yaan lagaa boobin. -Khayr - Inta bariiska laga cunaayo rabshada qabooji. -Qac qaac - waa laguu duugey, hoo biyaha. Any other somali brother vicinity is welcome at this plate. - oh yeah, and we'll also welcome any girl looking for equality.

Originally posted by Nomad: What scares the hell outta me is the thought of curing a self decalred feminist!....even with this few tips i still find it hard Don't waste your energy, Nomad. The important thing here is time, every second you try and bring back a sell out is second you're stealing from the true princesses around you. For every woman who feels it necessary to tell the world she can stand alone, there's one who'll tell you she'll stand with you. Save the love, romance and loyalty for her. The beef I had with the so-called feminists of SOL is over because it's clear they don't know where they stand on the whole issue. "a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B". Ilbaxnimooy xaal qaado!!! Cilmi "cosmopolitan" laga barte aa la rabaa in xoolo nalooga dhigo. Intaad nala murmeeysiin fashionka cusub yoosan idin dhaafin

madax adeeg....someone at work was implying that might have something to do with the fact that I'm a Taurus, I was quick to inform her that reading that daily astrology crap is probably why she's chronically single. As for keeping the captain on a leash, nothing is leashed in my world, true spritual and mental freedom. Jini walba miirkiisa oo qabaa, meaning there are natural limits to stuff with out imposing our own. "flower" by Kenzo...*sniff* *sniff* you better re-check that bottle

-Toa kipande - Shake down -Punju - Thug -Bandika na Chai - Coffee and a bagel

Lakkad, that same pair you mentioned is allegedly in danger of getting chopped off. This is getting like one of those sitcoms on TV that you say something you're not supposed to say and the audience goes oooooooohhhhhhhhh!!!! I may have misunderstood, but isn't that whole point of the joke a direct shot at extreme feminism. "sexist" is what Opi calls it...isn't that like saying black jokes are racist? That's the whole point. Rock on, 719. Bee, you're always a breath of fresh air, even though it's slightly "fem" scented.

Sophist, finding a name for that battle proved to be easier said than done. But I think it's Dul Madoba 9th Aug. 1913

I guess thats EVE, Satisfaction. This is getting too easy for you guys, let me make you do some homework: 2 songs same guy 1)You said you grew up in the ghetto and it hurt your heart Tried to live smart but your dreams fell apart You dated hustlers and brought 'em customers They totally destroyed whatever trust their was Now you hate men and everything they stand for cause you wanna be treated like a queen, not a wh0re Close your eyes, don't be afraid to dream Open your heart to this cat from Queens Whatever you wanna do, however you wanna do it Back to back baby, we can get each other through it 2)Last week I saw ya at the mall standing at the pay phone bout to make a call I had a vision it was me on the other end telling you come by and then you walked in I touched you gently with my hands we talked about traveling the distant lands escaping all the madness out here in the world becomin my wife no longer my girl

I know here in Toronto the doctors actually recomend C-sections whether it's needed or not. I read an article that suggested that doctors in Toronto perform the procedure because they get paid more for a c-section then a natural birth. Not too many natural births these days. As for choice, If the life of the child or the mother is in danger then I believe the choice cannot be made by someone in extreme pain or under the influence of drugs.

I doubt theres any country today that can be considered Darul-Islam, however make no mistake that darul-kufar exists. I think Opi is beating around the bush with her question but she may be implying Islam is (ultimately) a state of mind and a state of brotherhood, justice and peace. I think this article explains better: http://www.isna.net/library/papers/fiqh/FiqhofMinorities3.asp when you done reading that one consider this one: http://members.cox.net/arshad/imitating_kufaar.htm

Waryaa Darman, shidaal aa meelaha la war wareege, kuligeen na dab aa noo shidan. suicide bomberkii falastiin joogey aa nagu noqotay. Hadii aay wax kharxis kaa tahay, is waal, jiniyo isku rid ee "bul" ku dax sii. Lucky for you shiir homeland security aay militarigii aadeen. As for the division of labour of the sexes, I know a few dead beat guys who couldn't earn a dollar if their lives depended on it. And I know some women with business savy I can only dream about. Not to mention my doctor is woman and the one before that was man and they're both good. I've seen women who don't have the decency to clean their houses and single men who live in spotless digs. So if its those things you're worried about, then it's an individual thing. Generally speaking, men tend to think with thier heads (on thier shoulders)even though results may vary. Women tend to think with thier hearts, meaning emotions are usually taken into consideration. Men make good engineers and social deision-makers and women make good educators and physicians. But there's always exceptions to these rules and there will always be a considerable percentage (of men and women) that serve no useful purpose and just go where everyone else goes.

Happy Birthday C_K, may be you should treat yourself to one of those trendy spas where they walk on your face and put mud on your back....or is it the other way around :confused:

Hey, you guys can trade speculations until the cows come home. Worse things have happened to better people How about we just leave it at that?

Originally posted by Khayr: I think that the women are better at Reconciling btwn People then men are. Meaning if there is an argument btwn two groups, women play the role of the mediator better then men and can get them to come to terms. ARE YOU CRAZY??? You better organize a search party to find your mind.

Originally posted by JASMIINE: UD, u do really deserve your place in the “ignorant squad” judging from ur response to my question. The words I used are pretty self-explanatory if u cannot understand there’s no need for me to repeat myself :rolleyes: I'll save you a spot next to me on the squad, Jasmine. Since my request seems too complex for you, I'll simplify: My question is how do you know it's the education thats chasing these men away?

Ok, Qasim Amin is fine, BUT what can you tell me about Gloria Steinman and her brand of feminism? Originally posted by x_quizit: What will u do when by chance ur husband may not be around to take care of u, maybe death or divorce, how will u provide for ur kids? How about a little faith in your man to be there for you and to come through for you always? Maybe you sould learn to read brail in case by chance you go blind. Or learn sign language...you never know. You can't play offence and defence at the same time, accept that marriage is a team effort, do your part and TRUST me to do mine. Your contingency planning will have real-time consequences. Maybe I should be on the look out for a substitute mother for my kids incase the wife is not around. It won't hurt to be prepared. So i say to the sistas, go on with ur education, and marry when u are financially secure, because God knows when one day, when bringing home the bacon might be on ur shoulders. ] Financially secure? Honestly, what does that mean? and how many people do you know that are there? what is the set goal in dollars that you have to have before you decide "ok now I'm ready"? how about some Imaan. Get an education, by useful to your community and your family but don't waste the most fruitful years of your life chasing a greedy capitalist dream that corrupts your mind excuse me laakin dadkiina waa iska hadashiin walaahi, didnt nabi (scw) marry khadija (ra) at age 45 or was it 40, i dont know, but the point being marriage and da' got nothing to do wit each other. Just my preference...if I'm allowed to have one besides y does it bother you guys if a girl doesnt wanna get married at a young age, I mean you aint the one whos gonna marry her You're right, Maryan, I'm not the one who's going to marry her and it's ultimately her choice, but I'm expressing an opinion. I see too many young girls pressured with the grand expectation of a professional careerand the search of "financial security" and I'm trying to illustrate that there is another choice. Hopefully some of the sisters in here will take the time to touch on that considering how rare it is. Rayaana, MashAllah, I appreciate your input and espcially appreciate your tact and diplomacy. If you ever decide to teach a class on self presentation. sign me up and I'll drag Qac qaac, tuugiye, opi, and xquizit along. Ignorant Squad All I can say to that is: The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge

Originally posted by JASMIINE: i've seen somali guys that tend to stay away from educated women . So are u guys really sure it is the age, or u just cant handle and educated women? Your question has been asked before and as always the question is vague. I need some clarification on a few things first, Define: - Stay Away - Educated women - Handle Whats the source of information? Because I think you'll agree that if a group of single "educated" women with zero people skills get together to ponder the situation, they MIGHT come up with a biased conclusion. Are you speaking from personal experience? How sure are you it's education and not halitosis or lack of personal hygiene that led to the "stay away"? Clarify your request and I'll be more than happy to give my point of view.

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X, dhiig karki Tuugiya sheegaye aa caaadi kuhayo. Intaadan madax madax udhicin acuudubileeso ay sheydanka iska nar. Hadii kale idaacada City TV aa laga arkaa ayado odegi jojo chinto ahay cidahaada wareysanayo laleeyahay "istorog baa kudacay inantii sunnybrooke bey ambulanstii ulacarartay". Sheekada markaas, wexey nooqonay UD iyo Qac iyo tuugiye shiliman ha isku araruuriyan si baaldi jalaato ah, kintal ubax ah iyo carr hallmark ah an miiska kuuso saarno.

I don't appreciate being called a feminist in a thread that I haven't yet had the chance to participate in. Having a rep the invokes preconceived biases can be such a b!tch, wouldn't you agree, Opi? by the way, whats OTT and where do I sign up?

Originally posted by Princess_Sexy: UD.....i can't belive that you would even denounce the idea of choosing to focus on a career rather than start mother hood when your 19-29 years old...who are you to classify what someone chooses as their life path as right or wrong?? but what i find a little more discouraging is the assumption that i have that you dont support women who choose to be independant..... From the get go I said I speak for no one but myself. Yes, I think there's a dangerous trend of pursuing a "career" (<--I need your definition of that)when you're in your prime. I think you have all your priorities mixed up. You're obsessed with superficial achivements that sacrifice the little time that you have. While you're focusing on youe "career", who's focusing on your maternal skills? or do those not need any work? they come naturally right. It's very evedient to me now that you're very young in age, PS. You sound smart enough, why don't you go ask women in their 30's what the deal is. Or maybe they're "old school" too and time have changed. Like the say "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it". Nothings changed. But you have your mind made up and my opinion is not changing. So good luck, hope you see the light sooner rather than later. p.s. Independant women don't need my support they can take care of themselves. I'll save my support for the women who understand they're not an island.

Bee, Captain Caveman tried "turning the other cheek" but there was no fun in that. "statutory rape" maatiri? xisaabtaada shaki yar aa kujiro. Ciyaal 14 jir ah iyo islaamo 30kii kor udhaafey, wax udhaxeeya male miyaa? Misee suaashi SafiaLuuL aa isku xisaab tihiin. the party and "have fun" phase is out of the equation??? Ma R Kelly aad imooday? The ideal target age is 19 to 28, after that women "TEND TO" get bitter and "SOMETIMES" xishoodka aa kadhumo. Back to the matter at hand, I like how you can throw a curve ball, DnD, but I'm not against education and expansion of person intelligence, I doubt I ever said anything to that effect (besides, I don't want interpret and explain everything when we're all curled up on a cold night watching "indecent proposal"). What I don't support is absentee mother who too busy to be the educator to her child and companion to her spouse. You're right about one thing, I don't speak for the majority, as a matter of fact I don't speak for anyone else. Idhaafsii all the hustlers and pass me the damsels.

Originally posted by Princess_Sexy: not every girl who criticizes you is a feminist It's not WHO critizies us it's WHAT the critizism is about. Qac, welcome to the "hit list". I'll teach you how to route your IP address through Havana and Tokyo so the feminist special forces don't come crashing through your window to subdue you OK the gloves come off here and now: let me see if i understood u....do mean to say that..."sisters, get married!!!!...dont wait till ur 30...dont wait to save money and plan ahead, and most defiantly dont wait for u career..." I don't know who said that, Pearl, but I agree with it. Who ever said women peak in their 40s LIED. The only man who wants to marry a successful 35 yr old woman is an opportunist who couldn't build something for himself. Saving money and planning ahead is an OVERRATED excuse, if you haven't done it already you're screwed anyway. The quality of life you should be planning for and saving for isn't financial, you should be investing in how you can be a good wife and good mother....career planning and money can't buy that.