Brrrrr. Its getting COLD in here. ,

I think this whole argument is a moot point. Does anyone here even know a man or woman of marrying age who cannot read or write (in any language)? .

Not a Warlord, but he's got some 'other' skills that are not easily ignored

Originally posted by shaken and deterred: UD, is it out of love and compassion that a man can benevolently marry an illiterate woman?? or is it all the other benefits he would get from said wife? Either or...whatever appeals to the man. Lets not generalize and think ALL men want the same thing. Originally posted by shaken and deterred: lets trade education for looks. how willing are women to marry men who are not that physically attractive? how willing are men to marry women who are not physically attractive? Again, exact same answer as above. Different people are into different things. I guess you girls find some sort of comfort is certain characteristics, Good looking PhD rich .... then he turns out to beat a wife-beating cheater. Like I said before, there's no formula and thats scaring the bejeezuz out of you. Roll the dice. ,

Originally posted by Ibtisam: How did this suddenly become about me? Those are not insecurities dear, nor can they be classed as a problem/ crisis/ epidemic, they would seem normal and rational concerns. What exactly can a women not do alone?? Not YOU per say...but its a ideology that exists with a portion of the young women demographic. and of course they would seem like "normal" and "rational" concerns for anyone who has no faith or trust in anyone but themselves...which leads to your next question....not just women but No one can do the "life" mission alone. Give me control and I shall give you love and everything that comes with it- what if god-forbid, she ask’s for the same consideration ie she takes control and give love and all that comes with it to the man… btw love is a myth, nothing but wine for the brains so why settle for an unvalued commodity, while control need I say more? You're not the first and surely not the last to travel down that road, my dear...keep us posted on how it works out.

Originally posted by Ibtisam: Yet is the women with the problems and insecurities.Yaab baadan. It would seem there is a valid reason for not falling off a cliff. Of course its the the women who have the insecurities. *The fear of being let down *The fear of being abandoned *The fear of not living up to expectations The point is: There's no Pattern or indicator or formula to what it is you are looking for. You CAN NOT do it alone and (to me) you sound like you can not trust some faarax help you thru. so YES, women have the problem/Crisis/epidemic

Originally posted by cynical lady: dear how could you fall for that, its not your fault the memo never got 2 u, it has nothing to do with man being open minded, such woman are hot commodity in man’s must have list due to there doormat potential…they go out of there way to find them.. CL, I was present at the creation of the memo and you have a an idea of the spirit of its content however the true meaning of the memo is Give me control and I shall give you love and everything that comes with it Don't get me wrong, there's a vast majority of the male population that cannot hold their end of this promise...However for the women who can put their insecurities aside and place unwavering faith in the man who takes that statement to heart, the payoff comes swift and strong. For the rest who are afraid to step off that cliff it really doesn't matter what little conspiracy theories they come up with...you're either with it, or you're not...there's no middle ground.

I'm speaking on the topic.... I'm not in the habit of telling people what to do. ...But you can go ahead and give her the user manual for life JB.

Ibti, in relation to your topic from yesterday, here's the "perception" I was referring to. A man can be open minded enough to love, marry and live with a woman who can't read and write. However, your fellow sisters seem to have a problem with the concept.

Its funny how everyones telling the girl to "Do what you want" "Do what you like".... If she had an idea this thread wouldn't exist. I'm assigning my self the Ambassador of Academic Ignorance. Success doesn't come from education. Happiness is not related to work. It doesn't matter what you do as long as you commit yourself to it.

Lil Sis, the lack of inspiration is your conscience telling you the truth. There's too many doctors and engineers and bankers and teachers.... This whole education thing is overrated. do you really wanna spend the next 6 to 8 yrs lugging heavy books around and waking up early to run to a lecture that you'll fall asleep in anyway? If you can read and write, you have everything you need. Don't stress and don't let the "world" pressure you into what you think you "should be doing". relax and have a good time! .

That there is this perception about women and how they respond to education, or rather how it changes some. Perception are available about everything, Ibti. The point I'm trying to make is " There no concrete connection between a man/woman's education and being a good partner/parent There's just peoples preferences and beliefs...and so so many myths: * Educated people have better jobs which translates to better lives * Educated people have a better understanding of how relationships should work * Educated people won't embarrass you in front of other people etc etc etc.... There's no book to teach character, integrity and decency, and that what makes all the difference.

Originally posted by Zafir: UD, Dude, I have been meaning to tell you that I have finally purchased George Forman’s grill, it’s the most excellent investment I have made since my electrical drill. I Love the damn thing so bloody much it’s becoming unbearable, wooohoo! I am getting excited just thinking about it and I have even boycotted bariis and baasto because they are ungrillable. Welcome to the foreman club! Originally posted by Ibtisam : Underdog, education changes mind, attitudes and perspectives in life. It will affect your compatibility. Ibti, education is a wonderful thing but I think the problem is how "we view" it. Some of us have a false sense of superiority attached to being educated. It seems women feel this way more than men. The real problem is that an educated man may be fine with being attached to an uneducated woman. However, an Educated woman sees it as some sort of blasphemy to be associated with an uneducated man. That sounds like a female problem and something those effected by that elitist mind-set should try to remedy. Wouldn't you agree? .

^^^^ Someone get this girl a medal.

I fail to see the correlation between 'compatibility' and 'education'.

Looking for Rich man What am I doing wrong? Okay, I’m tired of beating around the bush. I’m a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I’m articulate and classy.I’m not from New York . I’m looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don’t think I’m overreaching at all. Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that’s where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won’t get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she’s not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level? Here are my questions specifically: - Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars, restaurants, gyms -What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won’t hurt my feelings -Is there an age range I should be targeting (I’m 25)? - Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I’ve seen really ‘plain jane’ boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I’ve seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What’s the story there? - Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out? - How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY Please hold your insults - I’m putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I’m being up front about it. I wouldn’t be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn’t able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth. it’s NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interestsPostingID: 432279810 THE ANSWER Dear Pers-431649184: I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.Firstly, I’m not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here’s how I see it. Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here’s why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here’s the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity…in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won’t be getting any more beautiful! So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you’re 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you! So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold…hence the rub…marriage. It doesn’t make good business sense to “buy you” (which is what you’re asking) so I’d rather lease. In case you think I’m being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It’s as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage. Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as “articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful”as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn’t found you, if not only for a tryout. By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn’t need to have this difficult conversation. With all that said, I must say you’re going about it the right way.Classic “pump and dump.”I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.

Originally posted by me: — Alex Alexiev is vice president for research at the Center for Security Policy. Its a little disturbing that someone this paranoid would be have this job. Alex Alexiev is a joke....better to just put him on the IGNORE shelf with Daniel Pipes and Ann Coulter. .

Thats a LOT of Military ships off the coast of Somalia.

Besides, the UK is not the only one afraid of the future. “When she retires, Muslims will be a majority in Denmark.” The Danish People’s Party. Because we’re taking the future seriously.

Originally posted by Ibtisam: Pluz if you just look at the statistics it is nothing to shout about, nor is it statistically significant enough to call for a legislative ban on mosques. ...and yet someones doing just that. Originally posted by Ibtisam: Overall in a society where people are becoming less religious, Islam sticks out, regardless of if it is growing or not. So I guess you answered your own question. Since its the only institution resisting the direction secular society is going in, isn't that enough to make it a target?

Ibti, regardless of who these Muslims are and their origins, more and more are ending up in the UK, the US and Canada...as well as Western Europe... and its scaring the holders of the status quo.

According to statistics Islam is the fastest growing faith in the United States, Canada, and in the World. This is happening despite widespread misconceptions and negative media portrayal of Islam. The following are quotes from prominent US, Canada, and UK news sources regarding the phenomenal growth of Islam: "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3 "Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion." ABCNEWS, Abcnews.com "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March7,1989, p.4 "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1 "Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The population referance bureau, Feb. 17, 1989, p.4A "Islam is the fastest growing religion in North America." TIMES MAGAZINE "Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995 "The religion of Islam is growing faster than any other religion in the world." MIKE WALLACE, 60 MINUTES "Five to 6 million strong, Muslims in America already outnumber Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Mormons, and they are more numerous than Quakers, Unitarians, Seventh-day Adventists, Mennonites, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists, combined. Many demographers say Islam has overtaken Judaism as the country's second-most commonly practiced religion; others say it is in the passing lane." JOHAN BLANK, USNEWS (7/20/1998) "In fact, religion experts say Islam is the second-largest religion in the United States... Islam has 5 million to 6 million members, followed by Judaism, with approximately 4.5 million..... And Islam is believed to be fastest-growing religion in the country, with half its expansion coming from new immigrants and the other half from conversions." By ELSA C. ARNETT, Knight-Ridder News Service "Islam has become the No. 1 non-Christian faith in Quebec, as in Canada as a whole." Islam THRIVES IN QUEBEC, Harvey Shepard, Montreal Gazette, 5/14/2003 "Figures from the 2001 Canadian census released yesterday by Statistics Canada show that the number of people claiming to be of Muslim faith increased by 128.9 per cent to 579,640 in the decade beginning in 1991, making Islam the fastest growing religion in Canada." MUSLIMS OUTNUMBER JEWS IN CANADA, Gloria Galloway, Toronto Globe and Mail, 5/14/2003 ------- More quotes: A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11 Excerpts from "Muslim American Leaders: A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11" © Middle East Media & Research Institute http://sultan.org/articles/convert.html ------- A matter of faith: Islam is fastest-growing religion in U.S. Stephen Magagnini, Sacramento Bee, July 1, 2001 http://classic.sacbee.com/news/news/old/lo...1_20010701.html "... a rapidly increasing number of British women turning to Islam, thought to be the fastest growing religion in the world. ... there is no doubt that the number of converts is on the rise and the majority are women, according to Nicole Bourque, a senior lecturer in social anthropology at Glasgow University and an expert in conversion to Islam in Britain." Mum, I've decided I want to follow Allah By Kay Jardine, The Herald (UK), March 8 2002 Western women are turning to Islam in rapidly increasing numbers. http://thetruereligion.org/mum.htm http://www.theherald.co.uk/perspective/arc...02-21-6-52.html "Every year, about 20,000 people in the United States convert to Islam, in addition to those who convert in prison, .... Of these converts, there are more women than men, the majority of them young and unmarried..." Young, Female and Muslim by Jocelyn Wiener, Times Staff Writer. © St. Petersburg Times. Published October 7, 2002 http://thetruereligion.org/yfm.htm A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousand, Drawn Before and After Attacks By JODI WILGOREN The New York Times -- October 22, 2001 http://thetruereligion.org/afterattack.htm http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/national/22CONV.html ------- Former British pop star Cat Stevens becomes a Muslim http://catstevens.com/features/ontheroadto...dout/index.html http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/newmuslims/yusuf.html Dr. Hofmann - German diplomat and NATO officer - became Muslim - German government distributed his book “Diary of a German Muslim” to all German foreign missions in the Muslim countries as an analytical tool http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/hofmann.htm See also http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/index.htm Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20.../article7.shtml Rome's Envoy to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam CNN & Arab News http://www.thetruereligion.org/italianenvoy.htm

Originally posted by Ibtisam: 2) Synod MEmber: Stop Mosques They are members of the Church of England who are pushing for a ban on anymore mosques in Britain. Apparently we are taking over. Now Islam overtakes Catholicism as the world's biggest faith .

yeah, all the hot ones are Pyscho.

I think a better question would be "Do you really want to live to 150 yrs old?" I personally that the pursuit of youth is an obsession with a particular segment of society. Granted its a big segment, but its there. The baby-boomers don't want to get old. Being old is a stepping stone to death in their eyes. So since they hold the majority of the wealth, they will do whatever it takes to avoid finding out whats beyond the grave. Things such as cosmetic surgery, extreme fitness regiments, absurd diets and the likes...on the off chance that all those lunatics that were rambling about God and hell might actually be right. Sidenote: Cadaan people take life and death in a very different way than we do (or should). I made the mistake of of getting into a debate about a 22 yr old guy who died in a car accident: Whitey: He was too young, life's unfair. Me: It was his time. W: What do you mean? M: I mean there's no guarantee on life, anyone can go at anytime. W:(obviously disturbed)How can you say that? you have no respect for life. M: I'm just being real about it...you could get hit by a bus crossing the street, it happens, you should be ready. He gave me some dirty look that implied I was suicidal or something...and since then he avoids me like the plague.