Take notice, those of you who are defending "the good name of warlords" the above poem descripes them at best!!!!!!!!! T-Care like I-Care

Poll Results: Somaliland is a SOMALI'S Land!!!! (10 votes.) is Somaliland a Somalis Land? Choose 1 Yes 80% (8) No 20% (2) Close This Window i guess CAT got u'r tongue!!!

So why haven't the Admins do that - i wonder??

Most of them are VERY NEAR, and some of them will be or already are fuelling it - Unless they repent sincereley and to never do that again. May Allah The Merciful Forgives All - For our Sins Ammiin!1

Originally posted by Yasima: There had been many wars between Aws and Khazraj during the Jaahiliyyah, with a great deal of enmity and hatred, and intense fighting, until Islam came and they entered therein, and became brothers by the grace of Allaah. After Islam had set their affairs straight and they had become united, a Jewish man passed by a gathering of Aws and Khazraj, and he was bothered by their friendship and unity. So he sent a man who was with him to sit amongst them and remind them of the wars that used to be waged between them. He did that and kept doing it until they were provoked and became angry with one another, and they got riled up and started shouting their slogans and calling for their weapons, and threatening to go out to the Harrah (a place in Madeenah) to fight. News of this reached the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he came to them and started to calm them down, and said, “Are you issuing the calls of the jaahiliyyah when I am still among you?” Then he recited to them the following verse (Interpretation of the meaning): “And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e. this Qur’aan), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allaah’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allaah makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:103] When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited this verse to them, they regretted what they had done, and they reconciled and put aside their weapons. I wish my People would understand this verses and do the same thing as these above tribes did. Then question for everybody here is who would read those Ayaats to all the Somali Clans - so that at least they would know!!!

Thanks Shuju - i am glad u think so - where as our counterpart Nomads are paying attention to trivial stuff - that won't change or have effect on their lives present and future. WaKe Up NoMaDs!!!

i agree with u, the blame is on our part - they just taken the advantage of it. (properply somalia would have done the same if ethiopia was in mess like us at the moment) No suprise i guess then!!

Meddling mars Somalia peace talks Canada must lead effort to keep Kenya and Ethiopia from dictating terms of deal The peace conference in Kenya neither reconciles Somali factions nor does it re-establish a Somali state. Rather, it surrenders Somalia's national interests to those of its hostile neighbours. This peace conference violates two major conflict resolution tenets: a lack of a credible and neutral third party, and the need for the conflicting parties to own the peace process. Ethiopia and Kenya are manipulating Somalia's peace process. They control the agenda and the forum and have given absolute power to the criminal warlords who have committed human rights atrocities against the Somali people. They have marginalized traditional and civil society leaders. They have forced on Somalia a charter that leads the way to the permanent partition of the country. They have also accepted delegates appointed by warlords as representatives of the Somali people. The warlords (most of them created and supported by Ethiopia) agreed to select the 351 parliamentarians and to establish an undefined and obscure form of federalism. While Kenya hosted it, IGAD (Inter-Governmental Authority on Development), the regional organization of East African countries, sponsored the talks. However, Ethiopia, an avowed hostile neighbour, has controlled the peace process since its inception. Because it was not happy with the outcome of a previous civil society-led Somali reconciliation meeting held in Djibouti in 2000, Ethiopia — at the 2001 IGAD conference in Khartoum — insisted it was necessary to hold another conference. The Addis Ababa regime argued that some pro-Ethiopian regional administrations and warlords had been left out. Ethiopia has a history of meddling in the conflict. It helped Somali warlords to wage, and then perpetuate, the civil war. It has also undermined peace initiatives in 1997 and 2000. Ethiopia prolongs Somalia's civil war in order to eliminate a traditional enemy, get access to a sea corridor and distract its people from their own internal problems. Kenya, the country hosting the conference, is not oblivious to Ethiopia's manipulations. Since there are political, economic and military ties between Kenya and Ethiopia against Somalia, Kenyan mediator Bethuel Kiplagat has deliberately chosen to facilitate Ethiopia's insatiable demands. Speaking at the American Defence University in Washington in September, Kenya's former president, Daniel Arap Moi, openly stated that a strong and prosperous Somalia would be a threat to its neighbours. As a result of their neighbours' meddling at the conference, Somalis do not own the peace process in which their future is being decided. Respected Somali figures, including former Prime Minister Abdirizak Haji Hussein, have publicly raised concerns over the way the peace process is being handled. Traditional elders and many intellectuals condemned IGAD and Ethiopia's handling of the conference. The international community must intervene as a neutral third party if it is serious about helping to end the Somali civil war. It must understand that Ethiopia and Kenya have strategic and economic interests in perpetuating the Somali conflict and recognize that IGAD is an incompetent organization controlled by Ethiopia. The European Union, which paid the bills of this long reconciliation conference, must intervene before it wastes more money in the IGAD-sponsored reconciliation process. The whole exercise is about securing the interests of Somalia's neighbours while using the international community's credibility and resources. Perhaps the EU and the international community should support a grassroots peace initiative. That will surely be a better investment than the funding of the current reconciliation conference in Nairobi. As Barbara F. Walter, a professor of political science at the University of California at San Diego rightly pointed out, when the different groups of a civil war get the assistance of a committed and credible third party, they will sign and implement a peace accord they agree on. Without serious mediation efforts, Somali groups cannot be expected to reconcile by themselves, especially when they are under the influence of hostile neighbours. Asking Ethiopia and Kenya to mediate Somali groups is like "putting the fox in charge of the henhouse." Canada hosts the largest Somali immigrants in the diaspora, and it is a member of IGAD Partners' Forum. It should play a leadership role in advocating the international community to pressure Somalia's neighbours to stop meddling in the country's peace-building efforts. Supporting the IGAD-sponsored talks in Nairobi will, unwittingly, help perpetuate the very conflict the world intends to help solve. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afyare Abdi Elmi is a member of the Star's community editorial board.

Lol that is joke and half. hey move this to the joke section thanks for the laugh

Thanks to u guys who managed to stay on topic! Ibtilo - u haven't answer the question - perhaps this will make it easier for you: Are you a Somali? yes or no? as long as NW of Somalia is called a Somaliland it will remain Part of the Lands of the Somalis. & do u agreed with the statement above? if u don't agree with it please explain u'r reasoning.

This subject is most argued topic in SOL - So i came out with something none u (who argue about this) ever came out with before, which is: Somaliland is a Somali's land - that means - the land belongs to somalis - PERIOD...... I know this quote must be hard to some of u people to accept but Said Barre was once asked (in the seventies, during the Ogaaden conflict) by a journalist from the West: "Where does the Somali's land end??" His answer was Explicit: "As far as the Camels can go" Now i ask u this is Somaliland a Somali's Land - YES or NO My Opinion on this, is simple; Where ever Somalis are majority of the Inhabitants is a Somali's land. please give me u'r opinions on this - without resulting to verball attacks or abuse to other people - Kaabish!!!

that language is Called Sooma - Lish (Soomali + English

[MY RHYMES MAKE SONKOR TASTE QADHAADH. /QUOTE] defenitely disgusting!! Who ever did this was creatively bad minded

Came down boys - take deep breath!!! Aaah!! Relax - Now there is a somali saying that goes like this "Elephants don't see the flies on them but they always see the flies on the other Elephants" NOW CAME DOWN WITH THIS BULLSHIT - U GUYS ARE PUFFING AND POOFING AROUND IN THE INTERNET OK!!! Sammurai Warrior or should i say ine Yey's Warrior - Stop the propoganda that u are getting from Allpuntland (not at all puntland) website! KAABISH!!! pEaCe

I would like propose Rio Ferdinand as Prime Minister, Posh spice Deputy Prime Minister, David Beckem as Education Minister, Jordan at the Home office and Lenny Henry in charge of the Defence Minister.. Lol It defenitely would be things to see - everybody would be laughing everyday