Yes the new generation of SOmalilanders do love each other, again stop trying to group people together. When Somalilanders do something great all of a sudden every somali wants in, if we (Somalilanders) are in trouble like in the barre era every Somali runs for cover. Peronsally, I wish Somalia the best, but please dont sit there and talk about union, that sh... hit hte fan pretty hard. From now on lets just try and be good neighbors, or should I say civil. There is no union needed for that, just give us peace, and stop bitc...... about us, and Ethiopia too, talk about paranoia. Deal wit da warlords, and leave us alone. Anyways I have to study for a bio exam, yall take it easy, and Xiis its cool, but remember we are good Muslims, we just need peace, and if they dont shut up, Allah will do it for them again. LanderLuv. -Citizen Sami

Lynx love the avatar bro hee hee. Anyways, I dont hate anyone, no one should be offened because I have not used any bad words in my posts, if you consider Faqs..... word a bad word then maybe you were a supporter of Siad, maybe you get hurt because it was an idea you supported if not why should it bother you. I personally didnt use any bad words or call you names, I ask a simple question, why is it that Somalis always talk Shhhhhhh..... about Somalilanders and yet they cant seem to leave us Somalilanders out of their convos, why you keep callin us back to the horrid union? I havent called anyone any bad names so walalo who ever offened you it wasnt me, so please pick the bone with whomever called you the bad words. Revenge????? What are you talking about? Who said anything about Revenge? SOmaliland had a great chance along time ago, and all the people know what I mean, but we didnt take it. Revenge could have been taking, but unlike Barre, and the warlords, we are Muslims. I wasnt trying to start a fight, I simply asked a question which no one has answered, please refer back to the original post to see what the question was. What nation? Stop trying to group people together. Somalilanders dont hate anyone, we dont want revenge on anyone, we dont wish ill fortune on anyone. We just wish we could say the same for other Somalis. So what Somalis have the same Religion, alot of Good that got us, Same language,yeah that solved all our problems, Same Culture, ohh yeah that really showed, is that all the arguement you people have? Man that line is noooooooooooo played out. Anyways, am out lmaooo good luck, and since no people from Somalia proper can answer my question, I guess Landers have their answer. Many Thanks your pal Sami P.S. I might be young, but I stay tuned to the news and I make it my business to ask the older peopel what happened in the war, so I know more stuff than you think. Hide, Lie, do whatever you want fact of the matter is if we dont get you, Allah will. :eek:

DanTay I guess thats why people in Somaliland have voted on independence, and the slogen over there is "NO MORE XAMAR" huh, or am I just dreaming that up? Somaliland doesnt need anyone but Allah, I just started this topic to get people in Somalia to just stop talking about us, soo dang much, find something to talk about in your respective areas, whats Muuse Yalxow up to? What about your boy Morgan? Or have you suddenly stoped supporting him? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Yall need a hooby other than Somaliland. Happy Hunting. Your Pal Citizen Sami

Our tribes wont take us to Heaven that is true but it sure will take you to hell and the Greater SOmalia Idea proved that walalo. Having the same religion, didnt stop Somali Muslims from Raping other Somali Muslims nor did it stop them from Releaving themselves on the Holy Quran. THe same language doesnt serve much use either, because no one stood up to Siad until it was too late. So what we are Somali, big deal did it stop us from Killing each other off? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm NO!!! Why not have different nations? If we cant get things straight in one, why not try the road less traveled, its certainly working for Somaliland, heres an idea, it might just work for you. Give it a try! But be warned, before you venture out into this area, you must put Somaliland out of your mind, and also the greater Somalia horror. Then and only then can you start working on bettering the lives of the people in your areas. -Many Thanks Your Pal citizen Sami

Silent sistah thanks for your post walalo, I would say what you wrote if people in Somalia proper, would stop calling my people Traitors, and the dreaded "Ido....." word, not to mention all the other words, till then I guess am just gonna have to continue using "Somaliland" ????? Many Thanks Your Pal Citizen Sami

Walalo my post was not edited, because I didnt use any bad words, I wonder what the bad words I used were? Somaliland? Is that it? Or is it the fact that no one can seem to stop talking about SOMALILAND!!!, OHHH NOOO CALLL THE ADMIN I DONE SAID IT AGAIN!!! Shocking isnt it!!! :eek: I wonder what bad words I used? AS to the admin I already answered your message, I dont know what words your talking about please type them out in full and send them to me because all you sent to me was a bunch of astrix in a row, and last time I checked my post was and still is unedited. Many Thanks Your Pal Citizen Sami

BUt i grew up here, and think its as long as you have parents, and grand parents that were born there, either one of your parents, mother or father, and one of your grand parents, before the union and after in Somaliland then you are considered a Somalilander. My father is from Yemen, but my mother is from SOmaliland, although her parents were both born and raised in Yemen I am still considered a Somalilander because of my mother birth in Somaliland. So it really doesnt take much, but just read the consititution just incase I have missed anything. -Citizen Sami P.S. Nin Yabaan if you dont like Somaliland or the idea, you can always move, or you can accept the will of the majority and stay in peace, or go to SOmalia or Puntland and well try and manage.

BUt i grew up here, and think its as long as you have parents, and grand parents that were born there, either one of your parents, mother or father, and one of your grand parents, before the union and after in Somaliland then you are considered a Somalilander. My father is from Yemen, but my mother is from SOmaliland, although her parents were both born and raised in Yemen I am still considered a Somalilander because of my mother birth in Somaliland. So it really doesnt take much, but just read the consititution just incase I have missed anything. -Citizen Sami P.S. Nin Yabaan if you dont like Somaliland or the idea, you can always move, or you can accept the will of the majority and stay in peace, or go to SOmalia or Puntland and well try and manage.

Nin Yabaan you are welcome to your opinion, but one mans opinion in a democracy does not over shadow the rest of the people. To the last anon, please read the Somaliland constituton. I myself am from Erigavo, but

Lmaoooooooooooo coolaid, no I never liked Coolaid, I just wanted to point out how Somalis pick on Somalilanders for no reason, not to mention all that happened before that, not to mention how the pro somalia troop cant seem to understand that we dont want anything to do wit yall, and yet everyone cant seem to stop talking about Somaliland? Whats going on there? Are they going to come back to the union? Are they going to come to the Nairobi meeting? Somaliland must come to the meeting in Nairobi! ANd soo on and soo forth! Am just wonder if people in SOmalia proper are confused they seem to really have deep seeded misgivings about Somalilanders and yet they cant seem to talk about anything other than what concerns or what is Somaliland. Just an observation. -Citizen Sami [ June 11, 2003, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Somaliland everywhere you look on every forum people are talking about Somaliland. No one really likes getting into the issues of Somalia, "Humpy Dumpty sat on a wall, humpy dumpty had a great fall, all the kings men and all the kings horses couldnt put poor humpty dumpty back together again" Does this sound familiar to you? Every body and their mother its seems has tried in vain to put Somalia proper back together to no avail. Somaliland on the other hand has solved its own problems single handedly, without any out side help, or intervention. Somaliland remains peaceful, and has had a government for 13 years now. Presidential elections, a referendum, and local elections. Somalia has had none of the sort, each warlord holds his station and hangs on for dear life. Constent fighting in Xamar, is soo common that its no longer news. Constently we hear from the Pro Somalia farce, that they want Somaliland back? Why? Constently people from Somalia proper make fun of Somalilanders, yet they still want them in the union? We get called everything under the sun, traitor, drug head, Idoor, etc... etc... etc... and they still calling our name for union? Why you ask, cause they cant tie a knot without our instruction and assistance. But like we Landers have told you over and over and over and over again. So please try and make peace amongst yourselves for the good of the poor in your areas that have suffered for years, and leave Somaliland out of your heads and mouths. This might help you with the envy issue, and cause you to start work on your own house. Inshallah. Till then, please keep refering back to the fact that Somalia only exists on paper, other than that it might as well be one of those lost cities we hear about in myths and no one can seem to find,, but is in many books! -Citizen Sami [ June 10, 2003, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Hey I have a question is Xiis barried in Xiis or is the Cityjust named for her? By the way I loveeeeeeeeeee that nameeeeeeee Anyways, All my Lander dont waste your time with these folks, we have proved ourselves over and over again, recognition is on the way, and even if it takes time what idiot in their right mind would join with them, even Puntland is having second thoughts. Waar Dhegdheer dhimatoo dhulkii nabadeey, enough said. Am out -Citizen Sami

Mr Somali how are my words unhealthy? Is it unhealthy that I point out that the same ones crying for brotherhood were the same ones that crushed it? Is it unhealthy to point out that the pro somalia group should focus on better the lives of their people, instead of constently seeking Somalilands help and inclusion in the never ending war in Somalia? Is it unhealthy to point out that the pro somalia camp should focus their energy where it is needed which is in their own homes? And not to Somaliland? I used no foil language, I stated the truth take it or leave it. The truth hurts I know, DEAL WITH IT! -Citzen Sami

ITs not about dividing, we were never one nation to begin with, it was all an idealistic idea and went head long into hell and is being seriously sauteed by the devil himself. I dont understand why people in the pro unity camp always cry, we are brothers, well where the hell where you when that shyt counted? Cry on the net all you want, Somaliland made its peace without any foreingers, disarmed the SNM, which we will always be gratefull too (luv you guys, and our childrens children etc... will never forget). We had a refurendum, we have had presidential elections, and the praliament awaits, the World Bank, and some other interesting characters recently visited Somaliland, I hope you listen to the BBC, anyways, we have gone and gone for good. Stop yelling like an unwanted woman and get on with your life. P.S. our police are being trained and we have women on the force, our nation is building slowly but surely, goes to show envy, and constent internet yelling about Somaliland and whether or not it should leave the union hasnt done anything for Somalia except plung it deeper and deeper into the mess they created for themselves. How many presidents are in Muqdisho now? How many warlords are trying to rule you? They are going to send in African Soldiers to do the job the Americans couldnt finish, and all you have to say is Somaliland, Somaliland, Somaliland. *Shacking head* Get a life! -Citizen Sami

We the so called "idealistic" Somalilanders are not surprised with Udub, we will handle them by our laws and not with violence and many of those who are "Pro Somalia" or "Anti Somaliland" which ever way you want to say it would have you believe. I have read from my friends and yes it was happening, and why do you think that all of a sudden Riyale is trying to work something our with Silanyo, because the public is angry with him, democracy is taking place slowly but surely. Its easy for people who dont have democracy (Pro SOmalia folks) to talk ill of those that are actually trying to make it happen. One word of advice, when you get up off the couch, and try it yourself, then talk, till then, shhhhhhhhhh. I believe this is a trying time for SOmaliland, but like I said, when have we ever refused a challenge soo great, and when have we lost? Our history serves as a blue print to our determination, and our public in Somaliland, and those abroad, will do everything in their power to make things better for those back home especially but for ourselves too. I wish that other SOmalis would stop wishing doom and gloom on us, and try instead to do what we have done, and fix the home they are squating in. -Citizen Sami

Ok lets talk about what you wrote. First you make it seem like 500,000 lives isnt worth 1,000,000 of your died, firstly, Most of the death and mayhem that is going on now happened afterwards (after siyad left). Soo let me see your arguement is "Somalia was equally bad for everyone so please stay"? Now shouldnt that tell you why we left, why we left isnt about death its about the way you (Southerners) think. Some how the time frame in which things happened, and how many lost makes a difference was to why we should stay? Secondly OUR notice the "our" PResident was elected so please hodl your tongue on that issue, atleast people voted freely, when you have a democracy I can see how you could argue with him, but then again what do a bunch of Moriyaan have to say to an elected official? It wasnt just the war that lead to things, it was years of built up frustrations, and the mind set of people in the Somalia, be honest with yourselves for once, everything that is happening now is what you did and worse to others, no doubt, but no logical human being would conclude that since not enough lives were lost in Somaliland, or that since Somaliland and its people havent being going through the same bull that Somalia has been going through that it should join, its because of these reasons that Somaliland should stay away, and is away. -Citizen Sami

Ohh Bashi Horn Afrik where are your replies to this question? Xagad ku Gabanysaan? Come out, Come Out wherever you are!!! -SamiGyrl

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So let me get this straight the only time we are united is when we have a common enemy well that is true with all people not just somalis, and by the way if that is all the keeps us together then what good is unity, for if we break ethiopia we will just turn on each other. As we did before, and even then we did not beat ethiopia, and we sstill killed each other after that, so what now?

HornAfrik If you want somali people to keep killing each other in Somalia, then go right ahead, if you want to build a gap between Somaliland and Somalia go right ahead, keep saying that Somaliland has no right to exist, but at the end of the day, every somali knows who upheld Somali brotherhood and who fell short. Good luck to you, but I will go my own way.

Here is the article in full Hope in the Horn of Africa Posted to the web 14:43 May 01 2003 May 01 2003 The quiet American noticed the blue on his chinos and cursed: "Goddamn! These are my good pants." Then, as Somalilanders queued in the blazing sun outside to vote in their first presidential elections, he told the waiter: "You may prepare my lunch." The man from the United States embassy in Nairobi was not one of the 35 international observers who came to witness Dahir Riyale Kahin squeak in as the first elected president of this enclave of relative stability on the troubled Horn of Africa. With much bigger fish to fry across the Gulf of Aden, the US was not one of the 15 countries that sent observers to this country that has been shunned by the international community since breaking its union with Somalia 12 years ago. Nevertheless the American tucked into his rock lobster taken only hours earlier off the coast at Berbera. That port still boasts the longest aircraft runway. It was built by the Russians and later extended by the Americans, testifying to the ebb and flow of the Cold War in this country that has pulled itself up by its bootstraps. The American networked as furiously as the other observers, tainting as potential CIA agents the Somalilanders he spoke to as surely as the ink had ruined his trousers. That blue stamp pad refill ink and the carpet of green qat leaves littered the floor of every polling station in Somaliland. Despite their straitened circumstances the men of this country spend $600 000 a day buying the qat from neighbouring Ethiopia. They spend most afternoons chewing on the leaves to get the appetite suppressing and alertness enhancing affects of the amphetamine they contain. Donor countries might complain about the squandering of their aid on this mild drug - if there were donor countries. Somaliland is growing despite the international community, not because of it. It gets no loans or other assistance from the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund. Proud as they are of this achievement, Somalilanders resist the temptation to give the rest of the world the finger. All three candidates in last week's presidential race were united on the need for the international community to give them credit for the democratic progress they have made so far. Last December they elected local councils. Last week they peacefully returned Kahin by a mere 80 votes. Kahin is a rather dour, Moscow-trained soldier who became vice-president under president Mohamed Egal, a giant of post-colonial Africa. When Egal died of complications after kidney surgery in Pretoria last May, Kahin stepped up to the plate in terms of the Constitution approved by a referendum in 2001. Last week's narrow victory presents complications for this struggling country. Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo, who lost the presidential race, told me on the eve of the poll that he was not entirely happy with the campaigning. The ruling UDUP party has used state resources to promote Kahin's campaign, he charged. Nevertheless, he would accept the outcome of the vote, whatever the result. "I do this out of respect for Somaliland voters," he said. The polling, although peaceful and transparent, was by no means technically perfect. Many of the polling stations I visited in the capital had to close for an hour or more because of a shortage of ballot papers. Silanyo's Kulmiye Party emerged as the clear winner in Hargeisa. Silanyo thus has good reasons to ask: what if? His party spoke of legally testing the outcome of the election, saying there were problems with the count. Interestingly, observers concurred that the counting - with agents from each of the three candidates present at all the polling stations - was the strongest feature of the election. Silanyo cancelled a planned mass protest outside the national electoral commission office in Hargeisa last Tuesday. By week's end it appeared he might be willing to join a government of national unity. Beleaguered Somalilanders have a history of putting national unity and stability above all else. Silanyo will soon have another opportunity to show his party's strength. Kahin has promised to have parliamentary elections next year. The country, with a $30-million annual budget, has spent $2,5-million on elections this past year. The seven-man electoral commission, selected by government, opposition and the council of elders, had its work cut out. Somaliland does not have a voters' roll because the country has never had a census. The best that observers could do last week was opine that democracy had been served by the election. The British government representative wanted something more substantive - particularly that emotive appellation "free and fair". Britain is softening its line on the colony it granted independence in 1960 - a few days before the emergent country entered into a union with the former Italian colony of Somalia. A second point uniting the major Somaliland parties is total rejection of repeating that mistake. "We wish them well and some day we might even have a special relationship. But right now we want nothing to do with them," said Faizal Ali Warabe, the third presidential candidate and leader of the minority UCID Party. "We can forgive but we cannot forget what happened." Somaliland bonded with Somalia in search of the impossible dream of a greater Somalia that would include parts of Ethiopia and Kenya. But it soon became clear to Somalilanders that they had drawn the short straw. The top jobs and the real power all went to Mogadishu. Somali dictator Siad Barre cruelly smashed his opponents in Somaliland. His Hawker Hunter jets, some piloted by South African mercenaries paid by the sortie, took off from Hargeisa to bomb the Somaliland capitals. Barre's artillery razed what the bombs did not flatten. Hargeisa was deserted from 1988 until Barre fell in 1991. The break of the union followed shortly afterwards as Somalilanders returned from refugee camps in Ethiopia. Many did not return and today comprise the 300 000 Somalilanders in the diaspora whose remittances comprise the largest source of income to this country. A two-year politically motivated ban on Somaliland's livestock imports to Saudi Arabia has curtailed what was once the country's major earner. However, the port Berbera is becoming a good earner as a lifeline to landlocked Ethiopia. The regional power is using Berbera to bring in the food aid on which it once again relies. Ethiopia says it much appreciates the peace and stability in Somaliland. Its trade office in Hargeisa is the only form of diplomatic representation in the capital. Ethiopia admits it will have to be the second country to recognise Somaliland. Becoming the first would pose unacceptable problems in relations with Egypt that insists on a united Somalia. Nevertheless, Ethiopia insists it will not allow Somaliland to be forced into any unity with the south. Somaliland has shunned the Somali peace talks in Nairobi, which have produced a transitional government that controls only a few city blocks in Mogadishu. All three candidates told me that they would like to see South Africa become the first country to tie the knot with Hargeisa. Minister of Foreign Affairs Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma has invited her Somaliland counterpart to visit South Africa. However, South Africa is unlikely to break ranks with the African Union while it holds the presidency of that organisation. Which brings us back to the American. He was looking at more than a presidential race with a million voters. The US base in neighbouring Djibouti is held largely at the whim of the French, who maintain a strong hold over their former colony. Having a foothold at the top of the Horn is imperative to US strategic needs. There was talk last year of the US opening a liaison office in Hargeisa as it could not operate in Mogadishu. Following the humiliating US withdrawal from Mogadishu after being given a bloody nose by a low-tech warlord, mention of Somali-anything remains a turnoff in Washington. However, the magic word oil is increasingly being touted around Hargeisa. Exploration off Somaliland has produced promising results. These still have to be confirmed. For this, US oil companies need not remind their government, there has to be continuity and stability. Somalilanders could find their moral arguments and democratic ideals eclipsed by their undersea wealth. Jean-Jacques Cornish, Hargeisa Source: Mail & Guardian (Johannesburg) Monsieur tres gentil, merci Monsieur Jean Jacques, bon soir, a demain. -Citizen Sami

Bashi unlike you we welcome self determination for all Somalis. Even if they are within Somaliland, the question you should be asking yourself is are you sure that the majority of the people in certain areas really want to secede? Secondly, what can a greater somalia offer them now? I'll tell you what Abdullahi Yusuf and God knows how many other warlords. That wont let them vote or do anything else for that matter. But if they want to leave, they can and I welcome their choice, however, people are not stupid, people look for their best interest and right now Somaliland is the one for them, any which way you slice it. In the end Somaliland will I believe (Inshallah) get its well earned recognition. Maybe then the Somalia can get its act together. But really I am soo proud of all the Landers back home, everything they have built has made me soo proud. Thats what makes one strive for Somaliland because you see people that are actually trying. That you Landers for Somaliland, and for the peace, and stability, the respect for life, and self determination, most of all thank you for making young ones like me have something to be proud of, thats what being Somali is all about, not about unity that is empty, but true brotherhood and people actually pulling together making what the world thought would not survive thrive, no matter what tribe, thats what Somaliland is about. -Citizen Sami Let the Union go, the proving time has already past. Its a tale of a dead man, and one told by an idiot. Gone like him, into dust, stuck like him in the past.

Rome was not built in a day, and actually am glad that the world community has taken its time, because its making us stronger. Think about it, everyone was wondering if the elections were going to be fair and free, well we proved that they were, now the two main parties are arguing and they are not fighting it out in the streets, they are taking it to the supreme court. All this in a small un-recognized country, that has enemies at every corner??? Yes I think the more road blocks people or governments up up for us the greater the reward at the end of the tunnel. I see every block as another chance to not only blend our people together, but to make Somaliland stronger everytime. I really cant express what I feel. I was rather young when the United States went in to Moqadisho and seeing all the horrible things that went on there, I felt embarrassed to be a somali, I didnt know about Somaliland, but you bet your bottom dollar when I found out that it was love at first sight. I think Somaliland for all somalis especially the young is something to be proud of. I dont like the whole unity thing, I think the time has come and gone, proving time was along time ago. Lets just have peace. And many Somali countries we can be proud of, instead of just killing each other in one. -Citizen Sami Let the union go for God sakes. Proving time has come and gone.

Try being the tea gyrl Northerner. Or should I say tea and biscuits. What is it with Somlilanders and tea? -Citizen Sami

I wonder if moderation was or should I say is being practiced by those that cant seem to get Somaliland out of thier mouths. When people in Somalia leave Somaliland out of their mouths especially with regards to unification, then I will keep my peace, but this should be a two way street. Anyways, yes Hadrawi is the uncle of many Somalis, but he is mine by blood relations, so pelase keep your lies to yourself. Give me peace and I will return it. -SamiGyrl Anyways,good luck with everything in Somalia proper, but please stay out of our affairs and our families.