Prof.Miguna eloquently described Kenyan action as act of desperation-It is because of Economic panic.What Kenya is trying to accomplish, of course, is to send a signal to the tourist industry that the country is safe.All this other suspicious missions MAY not be true (but we can't trust governments though). Prof Miguna is a politician and as you can see he even questioned the legality of Kenyan invasion under the Kenyan constitution. Somalia is NOT a new "laboratory" to test the military strength of Kenya. The entire mission will be doomed if it is to occupy Somalia and Kenya knows that well.From the beginning of Somalia war, Kenya viewed Somali crisis as one that can only be solved by Somalis themselves.This invasion will only measure the containment of Al-Shabab in Somali borders.I will be the first one to criticise Kenya if they occupy Somalia like Ethiopia did, but this is an Economic panic like the good professor put it.....

Haha@che...I hate that country, but i hate more Al-shabab..Remember when Fazul was killed in Mogadsihu.The Kenyan man who was killed along with him was a little boy from my village.I played soccer with boy.I just couldn't believe how they have brainwashed him o fight in a proxy war in Somalia for Al-shabab...I really didn't know who he was as its been many years (over seventeen years) since our soccer playing days till a friend mentioned it to me who he was and how he got involved and become a mastermind behind many bombings carried out in Somalis....I just despise Al-shabab, but also I respect the boundaries of Somalia...I only support in manning the borders.....Plus i have renounced my citizenship of that country many years! This is the article of the death of the Al-shabab acquintance http://www.somaliareport.com/index.php/post/946/Kenyan-Somali_Jihadist_Killed_With_Fazul

Jac, In my judgement, my take was simply from Kenyan ability to fight back on any aggression that jeopardized their economy.Currently Al-shabab is the enemy according to Kenya authority. All Kenya has to do is monitor and camp out on its borders.It has no business of reaching Kismayo or occupying Somalia.All Kenya needs to do is to deter any AS on its borders. Reading some of the other threads I see people pegged tribal elements to the Kenyan response.I was obviously oblivious to the Azania state, which to my understanding has NOTHING to do with the Kenyan response.War is an ugly thing and it is something any sensible country will avoid at any cost.......

Haha..I doubt Al-SHEITAN has the resources to invade and defeat Kenyan military.I hate and despise Somalis oversimplification of stuff...I hate to see you intelligent people engaging in a futile and useless argument about the strength of a hit-and-run thugs against an established military with all the resources.My argument has nothing to do with my birthplace just from using little bit of reasoning.I just hated ever since I was young the nauseating reasoning of Somalis and how they are the brave-hearts of mankind.I think if this was against the Former republic of Somalia I'd have second guessed my bet, but this is a tiny hit-and-run thugs....come on people!

On the basis of their military equipment, technical assistance and personnel at their disposal.... remember they have NEVER been involved in a major war for long time...War is NOT only about who can fire a weapon, but strategy and resources which Kenya has.....

Heh...Nuune you know you are playing with stereotype.I will go as far as saying you are saying nothing outside the old age nonsense stereotype of Kenyan armed administration police being incompetent towards the hit and run shiftas of NFD. I think it is unfair to equate two administration police on an escort duty on a porous border encounters with shiftas as the parameter to measure the strength of Kenyan force.The Kenyan military has been conservative in their approach and NEVER involved in a major WAR.So I will say that you and the rest are just entertaining stereotype.I will bet my left leg on that Kenya has the capacity to fight.It si just that administration police in NFD experiences degenerated into stereotypes...

This was on my local NPR news.It got my attention....Just A LITTLE indoctrination of the Americans on Somaliland history...excuse my bias.... As adolescents, growing up in the late 1970s, Migane Nur and Yusur Egge identified themselves as ambitious and earnest. Yusur worked at a Greek restaurant in the tiny East African nation of Djibouti, as a chef. While there, she sent money to her mother and siblings in her native northern Somalia, helping to provide them with food and shelter. Migane was a straight-A student. He studied aerospace at the prestigious Sheikh Secondary School in Hargeisa, the capital of northern Somalia – now the independent nation of Somaliland -- while also working for the Somali Air Force. Memories of growing up in Somalia always bring smiles to their faces. My father, Migane Nur, spoke of that era, when Somalia had a promising future and, most of all, a lush, green environment. “It was very green. We were very happy. The water was on the ground and not underground, there were streams, it was a lovely place to live. Sometimes, when you go to a valley, you can smell fruits coming out of that valley.” But all that would change in 1983, when a civil war broke out in Somalia. People of the North were persecuted by the government in Mogadishu for their clan bloodlines. My parents belong to the Isaak clan of northern Somalia. Many of our relatives were killed and tortured. My father left Somalia in 1981 for the United States, where he received political asylum. My mother followed six years later, bringing my older sister and brother with them. Two years later, I was born in Baltimore. My father talked about what it was like when he first came to the States and made a phone call to a friend. “I came to America, November 3rd, 1981, I didn’t know what it look, what the people look like, what they would do, I was scared. I have 90 dollars in my pocket when I landed. I called him in San Antonio and that was the sweetest sound I have ever hear.” In addition to a massive cultural shock, they also endured a drastic climate change. In Somalia, the weather is very hot and dry. Moving to the United States mid-November was a shock, to say the least. My mother spoke about her first experience with snow. “Our first night here was good, we arrived safely. In the morning, we woke up to ice filling our windows. It was strange, we went outside to feel it, because we had never seen anything like it, it was a bit frightening.” Like any new experience, my family began our new life here from the ground up. The beginning was challenging. My parents searched for jobs and focused on how they would raise a family, since my mother came here with two small children and would have three more of us. This tested our resolve and showed how difficulties can be made into opportunities, with hard work. The hardest test was finding a balance between the life they left in Somalia and the life they were now living here in the States. “First of all, I came to a country that was unfamiliar in every way. I actually contemplated going back, but then the fight broke out and there was nowhere to go.” My parents found themselves living between two realities. On one side, they believed in their Somali and Islamic culture and wanted to raise their children with a sense of pride. And on the other hand, my father said we’re American citizens and wanted us to embrace the new culture. “No matter where you come from, the first generation want their children to behave like them and to have their culture, no matter if you come from Ireland or Egypt or Middle East or anywhere in the world. It is a very difficult situation, because on one hand, you brought up in another country, in another culture, and here is your family and your children born here, so, you’re always in conflict. We have to really assimilate and live like other Americans, because after all, we are all American, here right now.” Although they have incorporated the American lifestyle, they’ve also brought their own flavor, a Somali flavor, in which they take great pride. They did this through keeping their native tongue as the primary language of the house. My parents explained. “The rules were, when they are outside they can speak English, but in my house, they speak Somali and that’s how it been, even until now they know those are the rules. “In our house, we speak Somali, that’s what we chose; outside we speak English.” Our family is now flourishing. We are very much American, and always on the go. My siblings and I take classes’ full-time and work part-time. We live in the present, focusing on the daily challenges of life, leaving the pain of the past barely a memory. I’m Samsam Nur, reporting in Baltimore, for 88-1, WYPR. http://www.wypr.org/news/first-person-account-local-immigrant-somali-family

So no mouth watering tender and juicy chicken in Somaliland?...This will be a good business deal to open a poultry farm in the outskirt of Hargeysa and my ad will be I didn't invent the chicken just the Sandwich..too bad my kinfolks are Known for loving the Hiiliib too much..stereotype that we are still battling......haha...they will have a ball with my business venture......

First this is your choice and it is something you alone can assay.No one can know what type of a character this ex-convict exudes.If it is my choice though, having lived in a big city with many ex-convict converts, I wouldn't advice anyone to tie the knot with any ex-convict (be he a Somali/non Somali )especially jailhouse converts.If you live in the US you know well that this system is not so forgiving for any jail bird. Now for all the years i have prayed at the same mosque with jailhouse converts i have only seen one guy that completely changed and this was because he was tired of the system after having a wrap-sheet back in the 80's.He completely turn his life around and got his college degree and got a job with the city Parks and recreation.He has been holding this job for years and will retire from the city with a good pension.Now talking to him and understanding the AA cycle of run-in with LAWS i came to the conclusion that it is a battle to climb out of the system once you are in it.... If i could drove fast into the heart of any Somali brethren i'd have advised him/her to stay away from convicts.It takes as you can see awhile for any convitc in America to find bearing in life-after jailhouse.

Heh..Some of you want to roil things up for no reason.Step back and put your fickle patriotism guards down and try to question your inarticulate affection for Somalis when they are even wrong. Two women, working for the aid agency Doctors Without Borders were seized by gunmen that Kenya believe to be Al -Shabaab rebels.Now like any other country would have responded Kenya decided to send its brute forces strength to border towns to counter AL_SHEYTAN.There was also a recent kidnappings of a French and British national from coastal regions by Somali gunmen.If you are familiar with Kenyan economy,tourist is one of their steady dependable source of pride.This is a war of national interest and I'm not surprised the way Kenya reacted.This is NOT something Kenya pictorially choreographed and presented to you guys....clean your mess

Heh....In all fairness Kenya has been patient with Somalia thugs.Like seasonal allergy the Al-shabab thugs has been attacking Kenyan borders since 2009..They have attacked kenya and jeopardized the country's economy.The principle rational for such actions against once territory and economy (tourism) is to sought a way to send a strong message by attacking and revoking article 51 of the UN charter...So y'all need to chill and let Kenya defend itself against terrorists.I'm not one for conspiracy theories...If Kenya was against Somali people they wouldn't have peacefully invited more than thousands and thousands of refugees in their big cities..Kenya called for order and respect for its territory, but the Alshabab didn't respect that so let Kenya build a buffer zone on its borders....Many African countries are embroiled in the day-to-day politics of Somalia so lets not isolate a neighbor who has been helpful..... PS This has nothing to do with being born in kenya after all i have renounced my citizenship of that country!

My Somali is jacked up.It took me awhile to figure out what the title of thread meant little did i know it was that dirty secret that my parents did it when they conceived me and six times later when they cranked up the rest of my brothers and sisters.I'm sure we all need an advice on how to ace the event....haha

JEREMY SCHAHILL: If you recall in August of this year, there were all of these reports that Al-Shabab was leaving Mogadishu. Al-Shabab, of course, is the militant group that’s pledged its allegiance to Al Qaeda and is the only force in Somalia historically that’s ever included anything resembling foreign fighters. That was any Al Qaeda presance in Somolia was a force embedded within Al-Shabab, although it was a very small foreign presence. But, the U.S. has been infatuated with Al-Shabab as the sort of Premier threat facing East Africa. In August, in the midst of the famine, Al-Shabab announced a tactical retreat from Mogadishu, the capitol of Somalia. The African Union, which is funded and armed and trained by the United States, has about 9000 troops in Mogadishu. The African Union, basically, declared victory against Al-Shabab. The U.S. backed Somali government said that that Shabab’s days were over in Mogadishu. This massive attack, not only shows Al-Shabab is not only far from gone, but that has that is has an ability to inflict tremendous damage and to this sort of campaign of terror in Mogadishu that gives lie to the pronouncements of the Somali government and African Union, that they somehow defeated the insurgency. So, yesterday’s attack was, as you said, the single most lethal attack in Somalia since Al-Shabab rose up against the Somali government. But in a way, this was predictable that this would happen. The United States has been waging asymmetric warfare campaign throughout the Horn of Africa and extending into Yemen, as we saw by the recent assassination by U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki. The U.S. has begun building new drone facilities in the region. The Obama administration has expanded drone attacks into Somalia. So, What we’re seeing is U.S. Special Operations Forces and CIA doing these targeted killings, and then Al-Shabab also doing these targeted killings. So, this is the new sort of landscape of war. It’s all asymmetric warfare. It’s not uniformed militaries fighting one another, it’s these sort of shadow forces from both, what Washington would call, the terrorist side of it and then the U.S. Military and CIA side of it; they’re both using similar tactics. AMY GOODMAN: And talk about where "Blowback" fits into Al-Shabab and the conflict in Somalia now. JEREMY SCHAHILL: Before the famine of this year and the drought and grabbing headlines and Angelina Jolie and all these celebrities talking about it, I think for most Americans, Somalia sort of evoked one image, and that was of Blackhawk Down, the infamous shoot-down of U.S. helicopter in 1993 that ultimately led to the withdrawal of about 20,000 U.S., so-called, peacekeepers from Somalia. When 9/11 happened, the Bush administration actually had Somalia on a list of countries that it wanted to intervene in directly. The was a sort of ragtag group of Islamist militants there, and the Bush administration was concerned that they were going to give refuge to Al Qaeda members fleeing Afghanistan when the U.S. went in there. But ultimately, the Bush administration decided not to go into Somalia right away, and instead what it did was to begin waging a proxy war using a network of ruthless war lords. And this network of warlords but were supported by the CIA and U.S. special operations forces after 9/11, had a name that just reeked of CIA involvement; it was called the Alliance for Counter-terrorism and the Restoration of Peace. And so, these warlords were essentially tasked with hunting down individuals that Washington determined were Al Qaeda militants or were supporting Al Qaeda. The end result, though, of this program was that these militia leaders, these warlords backed by the CIA, operated as an effective death squad, believing they had the full support of the CIA. The CIA funded them and gave them lists of people to go after. And so they started hunting down anyone that they could accuse of being or did accuse of being an Islamic radical. But, many of the people who were killed by these CIA-funded warlords had nothing to do with Al Qaeda and nothing to do with any form of terrorism, they were prayer leaders, they were principles at madrasas, religious schools in Somalia, or they were just people that had clan rivalry with the CIA war lords. So, it’s a classic tale that has played out through U.S. history. So, these warlords were tasked with hunting down, what really amounted to about a dozen people, were in the estimation of true Somalia experts, former U.S. diplomats that worked in the country, and they turned it into these, sort of, killing fields. What happened as a result of that, is that regionally throughout Somalia, these Islamic courts started rising up, and they literally were that. They were a Islamic courts. They were a form of justice; because it was lawless in Somalia. The last time there was a stable government there was 1991. And so, these were, sort of, indigenous movements of religious leaders that were helping to mediate land disputes or implementing some form of a criminal code. And many people, while these courts were very pronounced Sharia court practitioners, brought some sort of semblance of stability to the various regions where they established these courts. While the CIA and the U.S. Military began to grow concerned that Somalia was becoming a pronounced Islamic republic. And so, the warlords, backed by the CIA, intensified their campaign against these Islamic courts. The courts, in turn, got tremendous support from local business people, from clan leaders and others. People were fed up with the warlords—-the CIA backed war lords. So, these little autonomous courts formed an Islamic courts union and very swiftly, with the support of the vast majority of Somalis across the country, overthrew the CIA warlords and expelled them from Mogadishu and brought stability to Somalia, to the Somali capital, for the first time since the government of Siad Barre fell in 1991. It was a tremendous achievement. The vast majority of the people involved with these courts were not Islamic radicals, were not supporting Al Qaeda. There were 12 courts; they largely represented Somalia’s clan-based system of governance and decision making. There was a 13th entity within the Islamic Courts Union known as Al-Shabab. They were tolerated by people within the courts. They were viewed as sort of radical, outside of the mainstream of Somali society. There’s is not a Islamic—-a historic Islamic radical tradition in Somalia. And this small group was the group that Osama bin Laden and others exploited, and they started sending in small groups of foreign Al Qaeda operatives to embed within Shabab. But, Shabab was kept in check by the other members of these Islamic courts, and they were a ragtag militant group. of relative nobodies within Somalia. In 2006, then, General John Abizaid, the Head of U.S. Central Command, gives the green light to the Ethiopian military—-Ethiopia and Somalia, sworn enemies, have fought multiple wars—-to invade Somalia; 30-40,000 troops, backed by U.S. air power, the CIA and the Joint Special Operations Command. They go in and they overthrow the Islamic Courts Union; the only government that was able to bring any sort of stability to Mogadishu in a long, long time, and they start killing the leaders and forcing them on the run, and rendering them to Djibouti where the U.S. has a major base. And Somalia then turns into, once again, a state of utter chaos. Within the context of U.S. dismantling the ICU, you have Al-Shabab, this relatively non-powerful entity, become the vanguard of the fight against the United States and the Ethiopians, who everyone viewed as a proxy for Washington. So, they took this group of nobodies, who were the smallest player within this revolution within Somalia, and turn them into the premier vanguard, and Al-Shabab, very swiftly, started to capture territory throughout rural Somalia and to wage a very successful, violent insurgency against the U.S.-backed Transitional Federal Government. And that has been the state of affairs since 2007. Shabab control far more territory than Somalia than the U.S.-backed government. So, you can say that Shabab would not have existed, in its current form, had the United States not backed those warlords, had they not overthrown the only real indigenous popular group of people to govern Mogadishu. This would not be happening. The bombings that we’re seeing, today, would not be happening. Shabab would not be in control of as much territory in the country as they are. KEEP READING BELOW http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/somalia_blowback_after_deadly_mogadishu_bombing

I'm usually not moved by Somali mundane politics of despair and conflict unless it involves young unassuming kids in scholarship line being blown away by AL-SHAYDAN or it is a war against women...I came across this rape report in the eyes of the so called TFG government.Its a shame....It is a critical premise of humanity that we protect the WEAK http://www.channel4.com/news/somali-refugees-in-uk-funded-camps-not-safe-from-attack

Steve Job's best speech talking about how he dropped out of college and get kicked out of apple boards,....check out some of the text here "The first story is about connecting the dots. I dropped out of Reed College after the first 6 months, but then stayed around as a drop-in for another 18 months or so before I really quit. So why did I drop out? It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed college graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his wife. Except that when I popped out they decided at the last minute that they really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a call in the middle of the night asking: "We have an unexpected baby boy; do you want him?" They said: "Of course." My biological mother later found out that my mother had never graduated from college and that my father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my parents promised that I would someday go to college...................................................................................... My second story is about love and loss. I was lucky — I found what I loved to do early in life. Woz and I started Apple in my parents garage when I was 20. We worked hard, and in 10 years Apple had grown from just the two of us in a garage into a $2 billion company with over 4000 employees. We had just released our finest creation — the Macintosh — a year earlier, and I had just turned 30. And then I got fired. How can you get fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew we hired someone who I thought was very talented to run the company with me, and for the first year or so things went well. But then our visions of the future began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out. When we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So at 30 I was out. And very publicly out. What had been the focus of my entire adult life was gone, and it was devastating........................................................................................ My third story is about death. When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: "If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right." It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: "If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something. Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart. No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true. Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."..................................................

I will always have fond memories of your Sunday night segment of 60 minutes.Not that you didn't have your little faux pas about black people, but still you were the man who made me think on a lazy sunday nights... Sunday night will miss the grumpy old man for sure! ""to tell the truth. I believe that if all the truth were known about everything in the world it would be a better place to live. I know I've been terribly wrong sometimes, but I think I've been right more than I've been wrong. I may have given the impression that I don't care what anyone else thinks, but I do care. I care a lot. I have always hoped people will like what I've written. Being liked is nice but its not my intent." Andy Rooney "One of the last things I want is a funny cocktail napkin. Just gimme a drink, please."

Another equally useless defense of the president counter-punch of the opposition.The president is a politician and has the right to give an earth-shattering response to his competitors...Lately my distant cousins been acting up..they should know a response to Feisal doesn't warrant a visit by the president and assurance response from a senile old man(of course with much respect for athero)

Wait a minute what was the topic again? Is My mind playing trick on me.I think so....Yeah after all the topic is about state of chaos in Somaliiland.What part of chaos you don't get it you bed-wetting simpleton. Why, though my friend is it so difficult for you to understand your own cut and paste?

Your ghastly propaganda is NOT helping your cause my friend..Any sensible person can see that your fixation with Somaliland is played on a false field of supposition that war is in the offing for Somaliland.If you closely listened to the clip this was a high civility response from opposition.Your blatant attempt to spread propaganda is insult to your own intelligence-I'm sure you are sensible person only filled with HATE.

Lonely I'm Mr Lonely, I have nobody, For my own I'm so lonely, I'm Mr. Lonely I have nobody, For my own I'm so lonely,

This thread smacks of ageism..I'm so jealous of you lots in your Twenties.NOT..heh

Watch how this guy (Starts @ 4min) also drove into the heart of the issue of the minorities in Somaliland.This was perhaps one of the compelling speech that laser-beamed on the issue of discrimination in Somaliland.No Somali or otherwise serious and informed observer of Somali culture can deny the existance of a discrimination in our culture...I hope the younger generation will stand up for the rights of the minorities.....

Nin-yaban, i did listen to couple of Kay's tracks, but they are NOT catchy plus some of his tracks are NOT original other than that I think he is a decent for now with a room to grow...This is one of my favorite song of his postings on youtube; Check out this little kid..I think he can do wonders if he can get the recording deal..reminds me of East-Coast rap....

Alpha, Just post infront of your URL and " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> at the end of your URL...lets give it a try one time..hope this helps... Ciyalka Xafada..I knew them little niggers running around back when i lived in A-town...He raps with Southern Swagger....He is Somali

USA vs Al-Arian http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/usa_vs_al_arian