Saving few pennies is not worth kid's future and they need economic mobility. Living off the welfare system is hindering progress. Well put. lacag yeey wax tari haduu qofka ilmaha uu korinayo ka xumaado... Now you see we don't disagree not really lol.. and I am no quitter..xaal baan raba.. salaam

^I am not quitting anything mr Che. Just don't want to talk about my personal opinion that don't regard the topic at hand. That is it . Besides, I said all there is to say... And, anyways you raised some good points. I dont totally disagree with you. salaam

^like i said there could be another factor in play ie their social class but so far we know that somalis meshay ku badanyihiin khyr kama socdo and sadly nop I dont think I know large somali population living in good neighborhoods..if you test that theory maybe I will change my mind and raise my kids when I get some that is in somali populated rich neighborhoods lol... Till then ani iyo somali waan kala dharanay Even though I love my ppl with all my heart I am simply disappointed.. salaam p.s lets not change the subject of the thread. I will stop going off topic...

lol Malika I agree with you when you pointed out their age and said they are adults and should be accountable for their actions. I can't believe people here are calling these girls kids? these girls are in their 20s. I guess it is all about relativity these guys who are posting must be really old .. With that been said, the way they were raised did have an influence in the choice they made today. They seem the type of girls who had too much freedom in their hands growing up. Not ignoring the fact that for instance iman's mom studied nursing and worked hard to put food on the table for her kids...but that is not where parenting ends??....You gotta descipline your kids. Of course living in ghetto areas did not help the situation and it is very much possible that this particular lady did try to descipline them laakin the environment ba ka xoog badatay. I also wonder if the fathers of these girls did play a role in their lives??..I mean I know one of them tried to bail them out. But on day to day basis were they there for their girls guiding them desciplining them preaching them??..I mean otherwise what are parents for right. Not that I am saing these parents did not care about their kids ofcourse every parents cares and iman did made her dad cry and obviously he loves her with all his heart? but crying muxu tari? it is just too late marka hore aya walidnimada la fahma macnaheeda oo ilmahaga sifiican lo korsadan...When your child is 20 you cant do much? ..carabi maahmaah baa jirta hadii geedka sifiican aad biya ugu shubi weydo marku yaryahay hadho haduu sifiican u kori waayo biya kasta aad ku shubto waxba ma tara..Even preaching someone who is 20 plus wont do much...that is too late itself... Anyways, sadly these girls will serve their time and we can only hope they learn from this mistake. And, that this sheds some light on what many somalis girls/guys think it is the easy way to make money....wax easy ah ma jiro ..You gotta work hard. Or else you gonna end up in the same path these girls ended or worse like Iman's brother and many other somali boys who did not live to see their 20th birthday. salaam

I can't believe this post got over 100 responses lol...let the guy get a maid haduu lacag u hayo.... who cares..I surely don't!! tan kale if he says his intentions are to help his fellow somalis create local jobs then so be it... salaam

^I guess you missed the title of this topic along with all the other issues that were posted in SOL over the years...inta evidence ka badan xagee geeeni lol

^lol there could definitely be a confounding variable. But we surely know that large somali population and violent/drug dealer somali youth are co-related ... marka meel somali dagantahay badan caruur kuma korsadeen waa saan wax u arko kolay

That's not fair Aaliyah, there are 100 thousand Somalis in the US, the majority law-abiding, the majority are productive citizens. The ones doing this disgusting practice and the cowards they served probably number less than 100. I am not saying all somalis are bad. And, I am not sure where you got ur numbers abt most somalis being law abiding citizens. Almost anywhere with large somali populations have shown to have negative effects on somali children/youth. So I stand by my comment...and life is not fair Adam lol salaam

I think you guys are focusing too much on the ages they claim. That is beside the point. What they did was horrible I hope they rot in hell.. Besides, I know many people who are not somalis who say they are 19 or 18 and yet look older. Not everyone looks the same. So who knows maybe they are the age they claim and maybe some are faking (oo waa age ay dalka kusoo galeen) either way regardless of their age what they did was heartless and I hope they pay for what they did.... salaam

Ismalura lool waxay islahayeen ha ku sponsonsaro laakin wuu la fahmi wayey...mise wuu iska indha tiray...waa labada mid aduunka wax free ah ma jiro wa sheeko waxaasi..

loooooooool. yeah, my friend the drug dealer, gave me some fish packages to take to the airport, wa'eva next. ya waxaas akhrisanaya wa yaabe lol..walahi wa wax lugu qoslo laga ooyo hadana sababto ah dad inta leeg oo noloshooda ku ciyaaraya they are not kids...gabadhahan wa gabdho wawayn they are in their early 20s...caqli xumo.. salaam

I'd be as naive as they claim to be, if i were to believe that they are that naive. loool well put..

^meel somali iskusoo uruurto khyr ma leh. I suggest you move with your family to a better place. This is definitely scary for a parent like yourself but do your best in raising your daughters and sons inshallah waxba ma xumanayan.Teach them their deen, to stand up for themselves...as they were saying in the video many girls were brainwashed into this whole thing I am sure if those daughters were raised better with a better communication between them and their parents this whole chaos would have been avoided... salaam

What makes all this worse is that the somali parents are denying. Like one parent in the videos goes "waxan waxba kama jiraan deentana ma aminsana in caruur la gado" or something along those and saying his son is workoholic college student. I think instead of just making comments here and there he should give this whole thing a benefit of the doubt. Just denying things right off does not help the situation. Hooyo iyo aabo kasta ilmihiisa aya la quman. salaam

What is happening in the states is scary subhanalah .I shivered just reading it... Somalis are doing this to their own somali girls. Don't this people have sisters/daughter/mothers. Heart breaking... what can i say people raise your kids well and teach them not to trust anyone just because they are somalis. We live in a crazy world.... salaam

sabar iyo imaan ilaahay ha u naxaristo. Duke walaal may Allah swt make it easy on you and his family.

Adam well said.

aduunka wax free ah ma jiraan. And, everyone knows that. I can't really feel sorry for these girls and their dumb choices in life. But this is sad and heart breaking for their parents. Wish them luck.

True, and in this discussion we shouldn't ignore the many people like the lady in the video who provides free dinners for unemployed Somalis, or the coach who keeps the youth focused on something productive. I think however these programs need to upgrade themselves to a higher level in Canada. In Holland the adult Somali men would establish Film marathons on fridays and saturdays in community centers. This kept 90% of the youth away from the town centers at a time when its very busy. This also kept them safe from bad influences. These guys would also organise trips to amusement parks giving us a real sense of a community. Good point there I agree with you. Doesn't hurt to have strong community center that helps kids away from pursuing the wrong path. What exactly could my mother or father have done in these two examples? Many times she had forbade me from going that far, but did I listen? No! Therefore if during these two examples I had dealed drugs or I had killed an innocent person how could anyone blame my parents for something I did?, and something that is out of their hands? They can't chain me to the bed and call it a day. well what could your parents have done differently??? hmm let me see when you were 6 years old and riding from a town to a town? I hope you were joking. They could have watched you closer I have 8 yrs old sister and I still don't let her ride farther than what my eyes can see. As for the other example of 14 years old going to cinema with friends? that is fine. Personally, though I don't believe a parent should let a kid that age go to the mall on their own without parental supervision. that sounds too much???...lol so be it!!! Parents can not chain their kids to a bed and call it a day but surely parents can keep a very close eyes on their kids. That might sound too much but those kids will be very grateful one day. How many kids in Toronto/Mn etc are in jails?? guess what that is what happens when every parent let their kids go wild and are always afraid to control their kids...Let your kids have fun but that does not mean you should not practice your God given parental right.. As I said before, Somali Culture needs to be strengthened, if you look at the Indian and Chinese diasporas they have created strong unified sub-cultures involving festivals, music, fashion, films etc largely because their homeland is stable, so you rarely see a Chinese or an Indian wearing baggy jeans or adopting drugs culture, however the problem in Alberta is not a 'Somali problem' its a Canadian problem, see the Homicide capital Manitoba, 57 people were killed in 2009, also note that Alberta is last on that list and has made the biggest dip in gang related deaths, so there is an improvement Of course I agree that it is a Canadian problem but I disagree that it is not Somali problem. Of course it is a Somali problem. I am not here gloating that it is a Somali problem but this is a sad fact. Somali parents especially moms sadly no father figures in most cases are crying about their murdered kids as a result of gang related issues. Wasn't a while back when we were seeing that documentary named "lost boys" by Rageh Omar. This happens to be a Somali issue globally sad but true. I blame Somali parents for failing their kids and of course last but not least I blame the failure of the Somali government and the civil war for what is happening abroad to our community (kids going wild, the break up of families, parents not adjusting to the new environment and not knowing how to tackle and raise their kids in these environments, raising kids in ghetto areas ie financially not being stable etc). For instance, look what iiman said about her brother acting like a thug? How can you just blame him for what he did?? He was raised in Jamestown that happens to be one of the worst areas in Toronto. He is a product of the environment he was raised. Yes he could have been better he could been exception to the rule. But, sadly most cases one just rolls with who they mingle with. I hope he rests in peace..this is a wake up call for the somali community and what happen to him happened to many other somali youngsters. So it is not one case or two cases or three cases? That is why we can not just blame an individual for choosing that path...we have to look deeper (the role of the parents, the role of the Somali community, and even the role of the Canadian/British/American government) I am gonna stop debating here and send my condolences to abdinasir's family. I do hope Allah swt helps them get through this hard time and hopefully they will learn from this and live a better life. salaam

^^Well said Koolkat walaal. I couldnt have agreed more.

The real solution to this problem is setting up successful after school programs, and creating a system of Somali students graduating from high school and guiding them immediately to Universities and from there on to paid work. Keeping them busy and focused. Adam I agree with you that Somalis need to set successful after school programs for their kids. However, there are already many after school programs in place they don't necessarily have to be set up by somalis. So again it is the somali parents to blame when their kids simply are free after school and most of them don't even get involved in any after school programs. Making them have too much time in their hands that most of them don't even know what to do with which pushes them to hang out with the wrong crowd and then who knows start dealing and what not. With that been said I agree with most of what you said like when you said that you and me can change any day. But, I am not here to talk about the few individuals who were raised well and despite that turn out wrong. I am not even here discussing abdinasir or iman's story. But I am talking about the general problem that somalis are facing abroad you just can't tell me they were all raised well and just by chance they all changed? ....That is just not the case. salaam

^So proud of you agent I am almost in tears With that been said you raised very good points. We should not always blame the parents. However, I was referring to the parent's role when their sons were much younger. Obviously, now they are grown men as you pointed out and parent's role is minimized. But, never underestimate the role of the parent when kids are young. It does reflect on the choices they make later on in life you even pointed out that your mom used to wake u up 6 in the morning? why did she do that? so she can teach you about hard work right. Life is not easy you have to work for it...and didn't those lessons she taught you at a young age shaped you as an adult. Alhamdulilah for the way our parents raised us...some somalis are not in the same boat so we should always know that our parents took that extra mile to make us who we are. But, you are right at the end of the day as an adult you do have a brain iyo caqli aad ku fakartid and you can wake up and make the right choices in life. But, at times when a teenagers is caught up in all that rubbish and gang life is hard to come out one reason being easy money ba u macanana secondly I don't think once you are involved in such life style you can get out of it unless aad dalki hooyo ku noqotid ama dal kale u guurtid. I don't believe those type of gang and life style allows someone to get out..It is probably hey you know something of us? or something or hey you wanna leave us do you think you are better. Those type of life waxaaba wacan marka horeba in ilmuhu ku galin. Which is why I always emphasize more the parent's role rather than the individual's choice later in life.... salaam

^Define better. Zack no offense to your blackberry. With that been said Iphone is better than blackberry. And, I am mainly talking about for personal use. It looks cooler, has better browser. Not to mention it has many applications that blackberry lacks and its also integrated with iTunes. But, there is nothing wrong with blackberry. It is good to have it for work especially if you send out many emails. salaam

Fair Point. Haadi adiga laftigaaga cuuntada ama guriiga aad ka shaqayn kartiid uma bahniid Maid. However not everybody is lucky like you & self- reliant when it comes to making food & cleaning the house like Aaliyah. [Razz] loool I must have forgot to mention that I was gonna marry a chef..asaga bariiska igu tuuraya