Xaaji Welcome back marka hore, Marka xiga, waxaan is moodsiiyey markii aan arkay dib u soo noqoshada Xaajiga in caadooyinkii duugoobay aad dib uga noqotay. Su'aal? Ma dhageysatay codka maqalka ah? Hadii jawaabtu ay tahay haa, bal dib u sax cinwaanka, meesha Faroole kuma jiro hadalkiisa, iyo weliba waxa aad cinwaanka ka dhigtay midna. Fadlan, iska hubi warka i.e. dhageyso wixii maqal ah kahor qoraal noocaas ah soo galintiisa madasha.

Doc, your logic (strictly speaking, far from logic) is that, these people are animals because of the handful You-tube clips posted here. How about posting certain number of equally/more shocking clips from Africa, Europe or America. Will that prove the point of your 'Officially Animal' argument. Have you ever heard the term "Hasty Generalisation Fallacy" ?

it can clearly be seen here, the deep animosity some nomads have shown against Safferz and, premature celebrations kicked soon after her withdrawal from this debate . Even if she is not correct in this particular point, the girl has gained my full respect as the thorn in the eyes of SOL's shallow debaters.

Safferz;982560 wrote: Horta do you know that you're Somali? And that all these stereotypes and negative images of Somalia that you perpetuate actually affect you directly, as a Somali? Perhaps on this forum and back home, you have a specific clan and a state that you can use to differentiate yourself, but to the rest of the world, we're the same people. If the world imagines Somalia to be full of warlords, pirates, religious extremists, etc they are talking about YOU too. There's a complete lack of self-awareness in everything you post on SOL . If only Saalax could realize

Safferz;982341 wrote: Well said. I enjoy your posts, YoniZ. He systematically manipulated clan for political power, which had the effect of politicizing clan difference and creating clan based opposition to the state. One of the most lasting legacies of his rule was the destruction of the philosophical belief and trust Somalis had in being subjects and citizens, and with the collapse of the state, the primacy of clan as the only political unit that could be trusted for group welfare and collective security. This is something that even well functioning governments like Somaliland are unable to overcome and instead find themselves negotiating political power with the clans. Thanks Safferz, I wish we could have levelheaded Nomads like you when it comes to discuss Somali politics, not the blinded clannish characters that fill the space.

Thanks for your over simplified answers. However, few things need to be put into perspective. Siyad came to power with out one bullet fired and never left quietly, he made sure no one succeeds him in doing the below steps: - Refuse and even shell the few respected inter-clan negotiators who tried peaceful exit. If you are old enough, the names of AUN Hashi Weheliye and Muse boqor and many others should ring bells. - Open the gates of the weaponry dumps for certain clans. Again if you are old enough and, have been in Mogadishu in the first three weeks of January 1991, the names of Shirkole, isha Guulwadayaasha, xalane and, 77 distribution points should make sense. I can even give you which clan received what kind of arms from which point. - Talking to the international media in regular basis claiming that he is the rightful president and, the criminal bandits will be exterminated and he will get back to Mogadishu ASAP. Anyone who know little bit about politics can understand that, no one will succeed in forming government unless the incumbant president is either resigned, captured, killed or leave the country. - Organising his clan to march to the capital and secceeded to reach the gates of city before he was defeated. In short, Siyad inherited functioning African state with impressive international deplomatic ties dealing with both sides of the cold war blocs. He turned it to *** licker for one bloc and after few years inguinuanly turned against his only left allies.... The rest as they say is history. Having said that, the opposition groups had their short commings and I will hold my fire for the appropriate debates. But I will never compare them to a man who came to power with naive opptimism from people, stuck on seat for 21 years and left the country scorched to the dark ages.

Classified;982261 wrote: Should it be a National holiday in the new Federal Republic of Somalia ? As we all know, the last Somali government that had controlled every bit of square mile from the Djibouti border to the Kenyan border and along side the Ethiopian border was Mohamed Siad Barre's government of 21 years. Ever since that government collapsed, there was and there is no central/federal government that controls the entire country, from the Djibouti border to the Kenyan border. Should the Kacaan be recognized as symbol of pride or should it be rejected like Nazism post-world war 2? If 21 October becomes a National holiday, what about the Rebel movements? Would they too be given national platform to recognize them as saviors or will they be rejected like Nazism as well? Well, let me ask you few questions my friend. Who controlled the whole Somali Republic territory before the Siyad's coup? Did he left power in better/worse state than he inherited the affairs of the Republic? How do you compare Mengistu's exit to Siyad's one? How patriotic is president who lost his power seat, to hang on in remote tribal region and follow the infamous scorch earth policies? That should give you a food for thought, before thinking like the SOL's young political pundits born in late 80s or early 90s.

OdaySomali;982173 wrote: @ Yoniz. Excellent post. The scarcity of power and the high prices are one of the major constraints to job creation and economic development in general. We cannot have a competitive light industry/manufacturing sector because the required inputs are either not available or so expensive as to render many projects economically unviable. The questions that arise are: how do you fund power generation? What type of power do you go with? What is the return on investment in the short term and the potential for exit? Convential sources or power e.g. coal fired power stations may be cheaper than renewables but then you have the added ongoing cost of of inputs (coal). In the long term wind/solar energy may work out as economical. It will require research and a comparative cost/benefit analysis. But you also have to bear in mind the opportunity cost, that is the oportunities forgone by taking a particular decision e.g if you invest in 1 small coal powered power station from which you do not see a return on inveatment for 15 years , you forego the opportunity to invest in large scale fisheries, agriculture, meat processing, leather products etc. from which you would see an immediate return on investment (in perpetuity) and which you could re-invest after 3-5 years. Also, you may invest in power production but if no-one has the capital, know how, willingness or need to utilse the energy you produce, youve just wasted the money and tied it up in a dead project. In other words demand has to be there. How do you fund power generation? Funding the projects based on my ten most populous cities: $25m capital start-up from your lovely little windfall and, another $25m raised from the local population (businesses, local admins & other local interested parties), further $50m will be raised from interested friendly governmental and non-governmental organisations (angel investors) in-terms of kind loans or qardu-al-hassan. What type of power do you go with? Wind power. What is the return on investment in the short term and the potential for exit? Well, it is difficult to answer this one and I don't want go to ROI calculations which doesn't make any sense in this stage. However, my program is long term based one, where it combines both creating attractive business environment for Nomad investors/entrepreneurs, at the same time, solve the energy crises facing local households in the chosen areas. You generate cash by selling electricity to both public and businesses. Furthermore, generate another income from the rented facilities (minimum of 50 different sized warehouses in each) located in the small industrial parks. My estimate is that each one of the ten areas will need 30MW onshore wind project that can cost anything between $28 - $50 millions including 5 years maintenance and parts agreement. The remaining money will be used for development of the industrial park. Conventional power generation is what so far failed the country. Few more old diesel generators are not the answer, you can ask that the current energy suppliers aka the vampires of the fallen. Coal is out sight at the moment. Your last paragraph: The answer is, a question from my side. Have you been to the country lately/started business/intermingled with the business people (both local and diaspora)? If the answer to those questions are yes then think again. You under estimate the entrepreneurship instinct of the Nomads and, the need for sustainable energy and industrial parks.

d/p

$250m is good money although scarce (nothing is non-scarce in economics) Extreme poverty, ignorance and, underdevelopment are the main reasons for this never dying clan dependency culture. The only way to make decent people unlock their potential and, weed out the rif-raf vampires who can't live a day without the presence of their clan idol is, to create favourable economic environment (beyond shaxaad iyo qaaraan-khariban). The one million question is how? Well, due to my limited knowledge, I will concentrate on one aspect that struck many ambitious entrepreneurs with big ideas. ENERGY The lack of Affordable energy is what shatter the dreams of many people, who could have created badly needed jobs, and played far greater role than the emergency-driven trade we have been going through in the past two decades. The reason why even the ones who tried their utmost, to compete with the Jeema (drinking water) importers is mainly down to the rocket prices of electricity and the lack of industrial parks. To shorten the spell of ranting, I will use the $250m to create 10 small wind power plants based on industrial parks just outside the biggest population centers. Every city should own its project with the help of philanthropic experts. $25m will not be enough, but will serve as good start, that can lead to raise $25m locally and another $50m from outside the country in good loans. Success of these projects should be measured to how: - Many direct/indirect jobs are created for the local population. - Much income generated from electricity surplus supplied to the local cities. - Much hard currency saved not exclusively importing nearly all basic products (water, eggs, milk, drinks, snacks, packaged foods, construction, electrical, clothing, household materials, spare parts, i.e.) - The project has overall improved the life of the local population. I'm sure many in SOL can put in better ideas in more detailed fashion. Where is Chimera when you need him the most

Hawdian;982098 wrote: 3. As President I would Fully Ask All the Somalis to Forgive Each other If Jewish people and Germans can forgive eacthother why Cant a people who are the same. The above should be the verbatim case for the SL aspiration.

It would be a good start, if Saalax defines what he consider as helicopter!

This sadly is one in a long list of tragic post-trauma symptoms. It will be wise to focus on treating the cause rather than concentrate on symptomatic treatment.

Waraaqaha lagu socdo iyo siyaasada marka ay is dhex yaacaan waa wareer. Qolyahan Dayuusbarada ah waxay ku fiicantahay in xukunka laga ilaaliyo, sababtoo ah waaqica way kadhacsanyihiin. Su'aal Alpha, Abti odayga reer miyiga ah ee reer Somaliland marka uu rabo inuu Xajka guto, maxaad xal u heysaa?

Che -Guevara;981365 wrote: It was the leadership and 'the planning for the day after' that set Ethiopians apart from Somalis. Yes, Leadership Failure caused that disaster. It is puzzling though to see people like Mad_Mullah glorifying Siad Barre's leadership! The self-righteous and never-ending suspicious minds of GeelJire politicians failed to make reliable political friends. Compare that to, how Ethiopia was saved by former Senator Rudy Boschwitz(R-MN), securing Mengistu's safe passage well before the rebel penetration of Addis.

Everyone would love to see this Forum clean from crazy heads. But hey, that is not the way things work. At least, what any level headed person should do is, challenge these characters, talk some sense into them and, not ignore the abusive thread titles and posts. - ofcourse, that should be the tactic used against me, if I behave like a crazy head...as anyone can be infected- I have tried my bit in the past few weeks, but only God Knows if I'm finding some success in that front.

Good stuff, however, someone must take pinch of salt with these white elephant projects. Mr Nadif needs to put extra energy on how to get local investments. If he can attract just quarter of the yearly Eastleigh money inflow, that will make a huge difference.

Saxiib, waxaan kugula talin lahaa in aad naftaada kabilowdid, oo aad qaadatid talada culumada ee ah iscafinta iyo ka reebanaanta weerarka afka adinka iyo uurka intaba. Bal waa iga talo, fadlan raac talada fiican ee culumada, maanta kadibna yaan la arkin adigoo bilaabay 'Thread' weerar afka ahna ku qaadaya gobalada aad siyaasda uga soo horjeedid....Khudi-al-Cafwa.

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malistar2012 Saxiib, Ma fiicnaan laheyd inaad ku sugnaatid wadaniyada iyo jaceylka aad dowladnimada u mujiisid. Dabcan hadii aysan wadaniyadu ku ekeyn xuduuudo cayiman. In siyaasiyiinta SFG markii lataabto aad xajiimootid, waxaan oo kalena aad soo qortid waa wax aan isqban ee xaalka dib u eeg. Doorasho ayaa gobaladaas ka dhici waqti dhow, marka propogandada u daa dadka tartanka kujira ama u diyaar garow hadii Faroole laga adkaado, sidii midka badala aad u caayi laheyd markii uu qolyaha aad cabsantahay ka hor yimaado.

Mad_Mullah;980970 wrote: + I'm not a tribalist - I have attacked the Puntland government, the Jubbaland adminstration, the ONLF, the UWSLF, everything and everyone. I don't protect pedos/murderers and rapists because they're related to me unlike some here. You can credit yourself with what ever you like. However your posts speak volumes and don't need interpretation. By the way, who are the two guys with the turbines? Don't tell me they are not the ones who signed the colonial approval papers.

Mad_Mullah;980953 wrote: Like a typical bush Hagger instead of criticizing the people at fault - the government you have to look for side-convos and try to steer the topic at hand in a diff. direction. Grow up. I was always against the way Siyad Barre treated you people but I can see he was working for the benefit of the country. Saxib, waxaan farta kuugu fiiqay sida aad isku burunaysid. Ookiyaalaha caadifada qabiilka iska dhig marka hore. In aad wixii qaldan sheegto dhib kuma jiro, ee akhlaaq la ilaaliyo ayaa jirta. Aflagaadada aad shaqada kadhigatay habeen iyo maalin waa nasiib daro ee bal dib isugu noqo.

Mad_Mullah;980947 wrote: Fact is that no Navy Seal can operate in Ethiopia without letting the Ethiopian government know. Tfooe. An other Fact is that, no sane Ethiopian will refer Somalia to as 'our country' when criticizing Somali government ministers. Marka Saxib, labada cad iskuma heleyside mid u har

Mad_Mullah;980937 wrote: This group of thieves and bandits have had long enough to humiliate our country . Enough is enough. Yet we will have Turkish orphans coming in within the next few hours to defend the statement and come up with some BS reason. War adigu sow taad halkaa iyo dhulka ay Ethiopia u taliso aad sheegan jirtay. Warkan aad akhrineysid muxuu yahay

Salamat ya AL Well done, the strong man is the one who controls himself at the time of anger.