Raamsade;908694 wrote: No human being was ever created from "clay." Life did start from simpler chemical compounds that grew into bigger compounds over millions of years. You should give biology class you deride a try, you might actually learn something. That was in a muddy primordial soup, right? Just imagine if Tesco lentil soup was available then? Raamsade;908694 wrote: Historians have a true and tried method of ascertaining the credibility of a source. The closer the source is to the event being discussed, the more credible the source.. Says the chap who was just telling me about things that allegedly took place millions of years ago. Raamsade;908694 wrote: That doesn't imply the source is accurate just more credible. How do you expect us to take the Quran's account of Jesus over the Bible's when the Quran was written some 600 years after Jesus? So, if I was analyzing the life of Jesus I'd take the Bible and other written contemporary accounts of Jesus's life and then the Quran. Be my guest... The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament.[3] Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars….* And some of these differences are significant.”[4] *Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have? A lot of manuscripts A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another.* Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000.[5] *In Bart D.* Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[6] How did this happen? Poor record keeping. Dishonesty. Incompetence. Doctrinal prejudice. Take your pick. None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period.[7]/[8] The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals." Source http://www.leveltruth.com/articles/The%20New%20Testament.doc

xabad;907843 wrote: The Qur'an must not be referring to the Jesus of the Christians but a figment of Muslim imagination, although i don't believe in the trinity BS, it is a fact the Romans executed a Jewish man called Jesus. this is solidly historical and corroborated by non-religious scientific studies ( Romans records of prefect of Judea Pontius Pilate). so the christian story is partly true. Scientific bay baratay. The bible itself does not stand up to any serious scrutiny and you want to take us to some will goose chase. xabad;907843 wrote: secondly, its wrong to say the Bible does not use to the word melek , it uses both pharaoh and Melek in genesis. The bible, unlike the Qur'an, uses both Pharaoh and Melek to refer to the King of Egypt in the account of Moses and the Exodus.The Qur'an also introduces its own terminology " Al Aziz " that was never known in ancient Egypt. The point is the Qur'an is just a plagiarism of earlier judaeo scriptures and a poor attempt at that too. You're arguing against yourself, and I don't mean the "plagiarism" and "figment of imagination" accusations within a few lines. What I said was; unlike the bible, the Qur'an never wrongly uses the title pharaoh for the ruler of Egypt during the time of Yusuf (AS). It would have if it was plagiarised, wouldn't it? PS Aziz was a minister not the King. Basic Islam RE.

Boondheere;907149 wrote: it´s immposible that a human to be born whit out father or DNA from 2 different people... Here comes another one fresh from a biology class. We've heard that script before. I guess the bio teacher told you also it was impossible for Jesus (AS) not to have a father; yet they have believe life started when a parentless single cell popped into life in its own. They also told you it's impossible for Adam (AS) to have been created from clay, yet you've swallowed the theories that claim life started in some muddy primordial soup, right? Boondheere;907149 wrote: Islams holy books talk about jesus because 600 before islam become in existance the story of jesus was widely known in middle east therefore probablyit was borrowed from jews bibles the old testemony and changed part of jesus being the son of god. actually 60% of quran is identical copy of jews bible( thé old testemony). There you go again. There's a lot a difference between the Jesus in the bible and Qur'an, as you see in the above documentary posted by XX. For example, Qur'an says he was not crucified and explicitly rejects the trinity - a concept not accepted even by some christians. The Qur'an does not agree with the bible's portrayal of some of the greatest messengers of Allah committing sins like adultery and incest. The are other forms differences between the "two scriptures". The bible is wrong to call the ruler of Egypt a "pharaoh" at the time of Yusuf (AS) because that title was adopted centuries later. The Qur'an accurately calls the ruler of Egypt at the time of Yusuf (as) a "malik" and appropriately calls Pharaoh the ruler of Egypt during the time of Musa (as). If the Qur'an was copied from the bible, it would have contained similar error - especially when you consider this only became apparent after the discovery of the Rosetta Stone and subsequent translation of the hieroglyphics.

The old man is talking about how the people of Bay and Bakool resisted and finally repelled M A Xassan forces. His father was among the men that fought against the Darwishes. The Darwishes arrived where they lived via what is now Killil5 and demanded the locals hand over livestock. The locals asked why and the answer was the livestock "belonged to Allah" and the Darwishes were "servants of Allah". The locals then asked their Mullahs (who happened to have studied with the "sayidka") to talk to the Darwishes. The local Mullah gave the Darwishes chapters and verse from the Qur'an why they do not have to hand over their livestock on the bogus "servants of Allah" premise. The Darwishes attacked and took the livestock forcefully. The locals decided to organise themselves and call men who knew how to fight using guns - just in case the Darwishes make another raid on them. When Darwishes made another attempt, they were defeated by the then prepared forces. The old man also confirmed the "sayidka's" contempt for the people of Bay and Bakool and his condescending views on their language.

Abtigiis;905084 wrote: HAG views were under represented in this forum for a long period of time. When you take SOL's admin's ban of the likes of Somalina and Jumatatu into account, it's more of suppressed view not under representation. These days we only we have clowns presenting the Big H's case. Siyaasadu waa bolitical. You would not been getting away with the pejorative tag (HAG) if the system was not in your favour. Even the once censored term Moryaan appears in SOL headlines without anyone blinking. I blame the ****** (that was supposed to be f@qash).

Thanks for sharing Xaaji. Good programme but it would have been even better if it touched a bit more on what Quran says about the birth of Mariam (as) and other issues like the "trinity". Say: "If ((Allah)) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship." Noble Qur'an (Az-zukhruf 43:81)

Maaddeey;905205 wrote: Ayoub 'Hud' & 'Ancam' waa halhays markaan, maxaad ula jeeddaa: (AS). Adigase daliil ayaad keensatay sidii in mas'alo khatar ah laga hadlayo, wax fahan!. Hayaaay, hanjabaad bay kaa gaadhay. Haddaan fahmi waayo maxaa dhici? Mas'aladu inay khatar tahay iyo in kale waxa la ogaan doona markaad ninkii reer London aha ee Xamar hotel ka furan jiray inaga warantidid. I'm not even sure what your argument is, are you still claiming Xamar is a war-zone? Or you're in agreement with NGONGE claiming that merchant only go to Xamar when there's an opportunity to "do a killing"? Daqane;905283 wrote: This is last nights CCTV china's broadcast last night but unfortunately its the whole bulletin it contains a news bulletin on the exodus to Xamar hope this passes Ngonge's wax fahan test http://english.cntv.cn/program/africalive/20130104/100352.shtml China? You cannot be serious mayn. Only something from Persian.. I mean Arabian Gulf will convince NGONGE..

NGONGE;904884 wrote: Asalaaala! (as the Kenayans would say). Ma ila nabiga iyo hijradiisa ba meeshan la keenay? War khaaf allah dee. This is nonsense. What do have against The Prophet (saw) ? I didn't say anything when Maaddeey brought in Huud (AS) in to the topic. I even thought about Noah's son when you accused Norf of not getting in the Arc..

NGONGE;904848 wrote: ^^ But neither YOU nor Norf returned. So what if couple of people stayed behind? Does that mean people never moved there? The numbers of people that were running away from the place (and still are) at any given chance is a thousand times more than some chef who left London to open a resturant in Xamar or a couple of businessmen that saw an opportunity in H town back when they had a chance to make a killing. Stop being obtuse, saaxib. Even those who made the Hijra with The Prophet had a variety of reasons, but they did make the Hijra. As for your dodgy figures, well if the was the case the populations of these cities would've emptied by now if that were the case.

^ What about Maaddeey? Hold on, don't say it, they might put you on flight bans... Talk of Maaddeey, he is the best person that can tell NGONGE about the chef who abandoned London to open restaurants in Xamar. : NGONGE, the only point that made sense was the #4, and that says a lot. SL merchants in Djibouti voluntarily returned in mass to rubbles of Hargeisa, that's a fact.

NGONGE;904553 wrote: You too? Naga daaya dee. Refugees are finding it hard to stay in Kenya and have been (more or less) forced to return home. Spin doctors in SOL are trying to sell this sad situation as some sort of happy return. If one ignores the spin and just focuses on the "mass exodus" argument, how in the world is a devestated place like Xamar going to cope with such an "exodus"? War macqool ku hadla dee. What's this, an Indian movie? Lots people happily returned to Hargeisa when it was a pile of rubble, so you argument has no legs. The mayor was on TV saying if Istambul can accommodate 15 million, Benaadir can handle all Somalis out there.. The likes of you will only believe it when Al Arabiyah or Jazeera report the mass movement..

nuune;904322 wrote: Surrounding shopping complex ma tagtey, not as it used to be, naagihii dahablayaasha aawey at Suuqa dahabka near sarrifka, only few of them left where hundreds were sitting with their dahab tied to their legs and qoorta iyo gacmaha, aawey hee, aawey hee, inantii aan jeclaayee, kulli waxaa la wada baxsadey, sxb, I can understand you are not familiar with Nairobi but I believe you visited the place in 1974kii when *you accompanied the old man for a trip to Nairobi, at that time, and now, no difference, sxb, wax fahan, wax indha-indhee, wax garad iska dhig, ha moogaan howlaha adduunka, shooriyaako! :) I don't think The Arabeto got it. Just let have specific things like Kahawa Cafe is shut and closing down sale at the Omani Shisha place for him to get the scale of the exodus - movement of jaad ppl..

Juxa;902748 wrote: He is an artist Good one. Reminds me of Lalin description of Gail. "I mean, like artistic, you know, but a lot of talent." http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-C1uU2bu7mh2tJ/carlitos_way_1993_carlito_meets_lalin_part_2/

I'm too lazy, can't be bothered to do all that just say, "silly bacaac". AfricaOwn;902565 wrote: ^^^Don't throw rocks at me ,... AfricaOwn;902568 wrote: Ps. End the cute smileys you're throwing at me. Typical. I'm I allowed to wink at you?

Don't know what you mean, but, like whoever wrote that thing posted - you guys can't blame your tribalism on the government.

Africaown, the likes of you were mad..I mean angry from day one, so nothing changed there. Unless you are mad x 3 now...

^ Waayahay No mutiny here.

^ You're not helping things being secretive with this plan of yours, whose side are you on? The pirates or hostages?

^ What about your "handling things" plan Dr.?

^ Well it's about dhaqaale and perceptions are not that important I suppose. How would you balance the PL 2013 budget? Care to shade some light on your "handling things properly" plan, Dr. ?

^ You let me down. I had faith in you not to ship blame elsewhere. The characterisation is caused by pirates not me or the Koreans. Don't know what you meant by "if handled properly" but this quote from Imam Farole's website sums it up for me. http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_North_Korea-flagged_ship_returned_to_Bossaso_port.shtml Puntland officials have also been engaged in a standoff with pirates off the coast of Gara'ad town in Mudug region since Dec. 10. Puntland Maritime Police Force (PMPF) attempted to rescue the 22 hostages of the MV Iceberg 1 vessel last week and Puntland forces have enforced a blockade on the ship. According to Puntland security sources, the MV Daesan hijacking was a diversion plot by Somali pirates to ease pressure off the MV Iceberg 1 vessel, which remains under a blockade for the past 10 days. Che, now you're talking. Were you waiting for Dr Xiin - our high seas' expert to confirm it first.

^ As usual, blame the secessionists. At least The Imam's website doesn't pretend nothing happened... http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_North_Korea-flagged_ship_returned_to_Bossaso_port.shtml North Korea-Flagged Ship Returning to Bossaso Port 20 December 2012 , Source: Garowe Online Bossaso, Somalia An impounded North Korean ship captured dumping cement into Puntland waters last month, was hijacked and is heading back to Bossaso port, Garowe Online reports. Security forces guarding the North Korean-flagged vessel MV Daesan impounded on Nov. 17, 2012, at the Bossaso port were involved in the hijacking of the ship and the crew on the vessel late Tuesday night. According to local sources, after a work shift change a team of 8 soldiers decided to hijack the ship and its crew of 33. After hijacking the ship and traveling for some hours and faced incidents the hijackers argued amongst themselves because some members argued over their decision. The sources said that after the sequence of extraordinary events some of the men regretted the hijacking. Continuing, the sources said that after heated debates and negotiations done by Puntland authorities, the rogue security forces decided to return the ship to Puntland authorities and contacted Puntland security officials of their decision. Puntland security officials told GO, that there are two Puntland coast guard boats chaperoning the MV Daesan back into Puntland waters where the case over the dumping of cement is still ongoing at the local court. Puntland authorities caught the MV Daesan while it was dumping 5,000 metric tons of cement 13 nautical miles east of Bossaso coast. According to authorities the ship is expected at Bossaso port Thursday morning and the case will continue in court. Puntland authorities told GO that they are conducting an investigation of the hijacking Tuesday night and there are leads that suggest Somali pirates were involved in the attempted hijacking. Puntland officials have also been engaged in a standoff with pirates off the coast of Gara'ad town in Mudug region since Dec. 10. Puntland Maritime Police Force (PMPF) attempted to rescue the 22 hostages of the MV Iceberg 1 vessel last week and Puntland forces have enforced a blockade on the ship. According to Puntland security sources, the MV Daesan hijacking was a diversion plot by Somali pirates to ease pressure off the MV Iceberg 1 vessel, which remains under a blockade for the past 10 days. Piracy off the coast of Somalia has hit its lowest level in recent years for 2012. Outgoing NATO Commander of the Ocean Shield anti-piracy force stated this week that although pirate attacks have plunged that the pressure should not be let up. http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_North_Korea-flagged_ship_returned_to_Bossaso_port.shtml

Xaaji Xunjuf;900487 wrote: Wait a minute the coast guard turned into pirates Let's wait for our Dr. Xiinfaniin to shade some light on this. He does claim to have some inside info when it comes to the blurred working relation between piracy cartels and the mercenaries-trained coast guards. This incident re-enforces the views of the likes of Prof. Ibbi who said funding Puntland forces to fight piracy was tantamount to asking a hyena to look after a goat.

Markabkii MV Daesan oo ay la baxsadeen ciidamada Bada Puntland (Sarancen) Waxaa maalinimadii shalay soo shaac baxday in magaalada Bosaso lagala baxsaday markabkii MV Daesan oo laga lahaa dalka Waqooyiga Kuuriya (North Korea) oo ay dhawaan soo qabteen ciidamada Bada ee Puntland. http://horseedmedia.net/2012/12/19/markabkii-mv-daesan-oo-ay-la-baxsadeen-ciidamada-bada-puntland-sarancen/

* Soldiers had been guarding impounded vessel * Ship headed to unknown destination NAIROBI, Dec 19 (Reuters) - A dozen soldiers guarding a North Korean ship impounded in Somalia's autonomous Puntland region for maritime violations have hijacked the vessel and its 33 crew, government and naval sources said on Wednesday. Puntland had been the epicentre of Somali piracy but the use of armed guards on ships and a concerted crackdown by international navies has seen the number of successful pirate hijackings fall in 2012. MV Daesan, a North Korean ship ferrying cement to Somali capital Mogadishu, was impounded and fined last month by Puntland authorities who accused it of ditching its cargo off Somalia's coast. The ship dumped the cement into the ocean because it had been rejected by importers in Mogadishu, who claimed that the cement was wet and unusable, authorities said. However, a government source told Reuters a dozen soldiers guarding the vessel hijacked it on Tuesday night. It was now at sea, destination unknown. A naval source at the port of Bosasso, near where the ship lay seized over the past month, confirmed the claim. "The government is preparing troops to rescue the ship," the naval source said. In 2005, Puntland's naval forces hijacked a Thai fishing boat and demanded an $800,000 ransom for its release, according to Jay Bahadur, a Canadian author of a book on Somali piracy. About 136 hostages taken in the Indian Ocean off Somalia are still being held captive, but the number of hijackings of ships has dropped to seven in the first 11 months of this year compared to 24 in the whole of 2011. (Reporting by Drazen Jorgic; Editing by James Macharia and Michael Roddy) http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL5E8NJ3CP20121219?irpc=932