Smith and Horn Since were are all sending money to cure our folks pains in the necks, then who's got the money stollen from Siad's fallen regime? :confused:

The Immigrant's Tale

Hornafrique to Gediid How slow am I? Your dear "Lander" compatriot Ayoub Sheikh also asked me the same question and it didn't get to me. Gediid Somaali baa tahay, laguma eedeeni karo Why don't you just come out with what you are trying to say I have already stated the intent of my money. Horn, we are on the same side on this one and that was not necessary. I too, use to send money to sort out my folk's headaches or as you nicely put it 'medical purposes' .

^^lol@ Shaqsi Horn brother I was happy to hear your money goes to worthy causes only .

Somali wins new IRB hearing for illegitimate son DNA test ruled 'intrusive' Tom Blackwell National Post Wednesday, December 17, 2003 A Somali man who was forced to undergo DNA testing before he could bring his three children to Canada -- then discovered one of them was fathered by someone else -- has won a new immigration hearing. Authorities had refused to let the third teenage child immigrate and join his father, noting the law requires a blood tie. But the Federal Court of Canada has ruled officials should never have based their decision solely on the "intrusive" DNA analysis and must reconsider the unique case. The results of the genetic tests, which Immigration Canada has made an increasingly common requirement in family-class immigration cases, have been "devastating" for the Muslim family, Justice Elizabeth Heneghan said in a decision this month. The father, known in court only as M.A.O., always assumed all three children were his flesh and blood, said Geraldine Sadoway, his lawyer. Their mother died shortly after giving birth to the third child. "It was a total shock, and in fact he doesn't accept it," Ms. Sadoway said. "Partly because of what it would mean. It would mean that somehow his wife had relations with someone else during their marriage.... It's too overwhelming for him to accept. He is a very traditional man." Making matters more complicated, the father believes Muslim law bars him from adopting the child, which might have made sponsoring the 16-year-old as an immigrant easier. The federal court judge ordered that the Immigration and Refugee Board, which had earlier rejected his appeal of the Immigration Canada decision, tackle the case again, this time without considering the DNA results. Making the tests all but mandatory was "improper and unfair" of the government, said Judge Heneghan. "The intrusion into an individual's privacy that occurs with DNA testing means that it is a tool that must be carefully and selectively utilized," she said. "The consequences of the [father's] belief that he and his children were required to undergo DNA testing have had a devastating impact on the family. He has been separated from his son for over four years." The teenager, living with a relative in Kenya since his older brother and sister left three years ago, does not understand what is happening, Ms. Sadoway said. "He just feels that they have abandoned him. He doesn't believe them any more when they say that they're fighting for him to be able to come," she said. "He basically cries when he talks to them on the phone and says, 'Why have you left me?' " She said requiring DNA proof of biological ties simply because war-torn Somalia does not have formal birth records discriminates against people such as M.A.O. Even in Canada, most parents can register births without a genetic test, she noted. And the rule of thumb in Canadian family law is to avoid DNA testing unless absolutely necessary, the lawyer said. "In reality, who knows what DNA testing would turn up among Canadian families?" added David Matas, a prominent immigration lawyer based in Winnipeg. "It's imposing a disproportionate burden on people coming from these countries." M.A.O. settled in Canada in June, 1998, sponsored by his second wife, who already had refugee status. He then applied to have his three children from the first marriage follow him. But birth records have long since been destroyed in Somalia's civil war. As proof of parentage, he offered a passport that listed all three children, complete with photographs, and affidavits from friends who were present at the boy's birth. The Canadian High Commission in Nairobi rejected both. Instead, a visa officer suggested DNA testing, indicating that failing to take one would "likely lead to refusal" of the request to reunite with his children. When the results came back, the two older teenagers were allowed into Canada, but not their younger brother. M.A.O. appealed to the Immigration and Refugee Board, which ruled against him. He then appealed to the federal court. Judge Heneghan stressed that the law does require that sponsored children be biologically linked to the parents. But she said the requirement for DNA testing was not appropriate. National Post

Bari, NY State gets 31 electoral votes compared with neighbouring Vermots' 3 electoral votes and NYC has a lot to do with it. Since its almost impossible for nomads to accepts some regions being more equal than others, the only option the late Pres. Cigaal had was to create Sahil. Dont be a hater. How can I hate some place I know nothing about? It seems you are reluctant to discuss Qardho, why don't you atleast enlighten me a bit about Bader Qaasim then? It sound like a really nice place, dosn't it?

Horn Any money that leaves my pockets goes straight to a sheekh uncle of mine with specific orders for medical purposes only.

Nafta, I don't think Khayr is defending the Catholics, I just disagree with the notion that there is a half way house between Islam and non Muslims. Khayr says What benefit would her comments make anyways but to make catholic people turn away from God and the Church and to what???? Mostly likely the majority would become outright Kafirs then, as this is the case with most people who have have found a problem with their religion Catholics are people who have already turned away from God and most of the people who run the church don't believe in what they preach and are busy hiding the truth from the people.

Khayr They are Ahl-Al-kitab/People of the Book and are not kuffars. Not many organisations exist that have worked harder to drive the 'Christians' away from truth than the Catholic church. I think a lot changes have occured to people referred as Ahl Kitaab in the Qur aan and thats why we don't consider meat from animals 'slaughtered' by people like Catholics Xalaal anymore. Here is another scandal waiting to unfold>>>> Calvi bank's $70m traced

Ambassador Cawil oo beeneeyay war ay qortay jariiddada AL-KHALIIJ Ambassador Cawil, waxa uu sheegay in haba yaraatee aanu jirin wax waraysi ah oo ay la yeelatay Jariiddada AL-KHALIIJ, balse waxa uu tibaaxay in arrintan oo ah dacaatad been-abuur oo lagu waxyeellaynayo sumcadda Somaliland ay faafiyeen dad cadow u ah Somaliland, isaga oo farta ku goday dhinaca Puntland. “Markaa hadalkaasi anigu ma odhan, si nabana aniga iigama suurtowdo in dad [kooxaha Soomaaliya] aan Somaliland aqoonsanayn idhaahdo shir baanu ugu qabanaynaa Somaliland,” ayuu yidhi Ambassador Xuseen Cali Ducaale (Cawil). ---------------------- Enough said Mr Ducaale, enough said.

^^^ "All the detainees have the right to leave [the country] at any time..'' If these people were really terrorists, would they have given that option? Its not important how you define a 'terrorist', what is taking place is a 'a war on terror' and not a war on terrorists. Someone defined 'war on terror' as an attempt by some individuals to deal with their fears inside them. This fear could be anything from a bearded men to a young girl wearing Hijab. All of the UK laws now used to detain 'terrorists' were drafted before Sept 11, at the time when IRA prisoners convicted on 'terrorism' were being freed.

Bari mate, although it may come to you as a surprise, I'M not a Berberawi , I just believe the city got its recognition on merit and because it has brighter future than any place in that part of the world. Now we know that Qardho is twice the size of Berbera, would you like to play an exotic places travel agent and sell me a week long holiday to that fantasticly named place?

Bari/Karkar Nomad But this is nothing new for regional 'leaders' to do. Just look at the 'Saxiil' region created by the Late Egal. I think a better example would have been what Siad did to Togdheer. I have to say I agree with the creation of Saahil considering Berbera is its provicial centre. What sort of place is Qardho anyway? Can anyone help?

^^^Gediid even I am getting curious bro are saying Malaika is no angel or are we reading too much into it? :eek: Libaax By the way, modeling is not necessarily about the face, it is all about the body figure. Wallee? IM sure a face has a part to play somewhere along the line especially with a bit of help fom Harley St surgeons. I hear most people stop using regaine after visiting the place I don't know any Somali mother/father who would approve her/his child becoming a model. It must be hard. But you never know. Things are changing. These girls might be from a family who accepts them for what they are doing. IM certain even in the most liberal of Somali families, some members would be shocked and hurt to see a picture of one their little girls in that context. I suggest one of the girls should atleast ditch her surname ala Iman

Libaax I don't really blame Steve. He is a victim. Thanks for that Libaax, till I read that I was thinking he was one of SOL team's great productions . BTW Does anyone know why Cismaan Gadhlee's avitar is no longer available for selection? :confused:

Gediid please be gentle with the young ones in here, how can you be harsh on someone who posts articles with titles like; Las Anod people coming out of their houses screaming ( WE WANT UNITED SOMALIA) . I'd pay a lot of money to watch people doing that!! 뾚axaa maanta isugu soo baxay wadada weyn ee dhex marta magaala madaxda gobolka Sool boqolaal qof oo isugu jira rag,dumar iyo caruurba,kuwaasoo socod dheer ku soo maray meelo badan Boqol waali bay isku raacday or was it 15?

Smith .. remarkable is the way you jump from one place to another, LOL Got to do that to follow your arguements bro! Who has joined in, Uganda, head of IGAD, Mozambeque Head of the AU and other groups are now endorsing it. Smith We are off to Uganda are we? Please tell me more.. This is what I gather so far: Mbagathi is still on, we are touring Uganda and Borama is around the corner, IM I RIGHT? :confused: Smith SHASNA article and Allpuntland reported. How pleased I'M to meet someone with expertees to tell the difference between the two

^^^It must be April Fool's day in Puntland Smith and Samurai, you chaps are not finally giving-up the Mbagathi peace process are you? Col. Yusuf will be very disapointed in you two. It doesn't matter where the hoodlums meet, as long as they dont have sincere intentions to make peace. Where will the Puntlads be suggesting next, the darkside of the moon?

Liqaye the solutions to this debacle that all somalis face are myriad, warranting a forum all to its self, please do not belittle brother hajis attempt at claryfing the situation to alot of somalis who might understand this issue only by heresay. Liqaye I was just trying to get the meaning of phrases like 'unite against evil' from someone who is urging others to read and understand the article. Unite with who and against who exactly? What does the he want to be done about IGAD and Ethios in general. We all know what Ethios are doing, the question is what do you DO about it?

I did not see that article posted by hornafrique, I stand corrected.

Hotel Evicts Somali Delegates Over Bill The East African Standard (Nairobi) November 30, 2003 Posted to the web December 1, 2003 Dominic Wabala Nairobi Four senior Somali delegates attending the on-going Inter-governmental Authority on Development (Igad) conference were on Friday night thrown out of a Nairobi hotel for non-payment of bills. Minister Abubakar Abdi, General Mohammed Said, Colonel Abdullahi Abdi and Major General Ahmed Abdisugulle were denied services and their rooms locked after they failed to pay a Sh1.2 million outstanding bill. The delegates, who have been staying at Hilton Hotel, protested and declined pay up when asked to do so by the hotel management. Consequently, the delegates insisted that the bill be combined with an outstanding Sh5 million to be paid by the Igad Secretariat. When the hotel management rejected their request, the angry delegates accompanied went to the Central Police Station and demanded to be arrested. The group declined to return to the hotel and sort out the matter with the Hilton's senior managers. It was only after the intervention of a special envoy to Igad, Ambassador Bethwell Kiplagat and the authority's political and diplomatic liaison officer, Mr James Kiboi, that the delegates agreed to leave the police station. Efforts to get a comment from the Hilton management on the incident were futile. Igad, which is hosting the delegates in the country to discuss the way forward for the Somali crisis, has been footing all hotel and medical bills for them. Most of the delegates are housed at the Kenya College of Communications Technology, Mbagathi, while some of their seniors are booked in various five-star hotels in the city. Early this year, some delegates were thrown out of Eldoret hotels, where the first phase of the peace negotiations flopped. ------------------------------------------ These spoiled brats who have kicked thousands out of their homes deserve this humbling experience like no one!! .

After all the fuss and predictions of chaos to come, this is part of official advice being given to US citizens who wish to travel to Somaliland by the US State department: SAFETY AND SECURITY: Somaliland has experienced a level of stability that has not been present in other parts of Somalia. However, travelers should always check current conditions in Somaliland before traveling. Persons traveling to or through this area should be aware that incidents such as armed banditry and road assaults may occur. Civil unrest persists in the rest of the country. U.S. citizens should not travel to areas other than Somaliland. CRIME: With the exception of Somaliland, crime is an extension of the general state of insecurity. Serious and violent crimes are very common. Kidnapping and robbery are a particular problem in Mogadishu and other areas of the south. Full post click here >>>>>> Consular Information Sheet

Horn, since you seem to like the article so much what sort of ACTION do you think is needed to implement what the writer calls 'the solution', especially the last sentence?

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